Same as thee... Supporting the Mancs is like cheering on Rovers, these fellas don't represent lancastriansdandeclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:55 pmI’m from Lancashire….. not manchester. No team to support, no rivalries to get involved in.
Plastic sport for plastic fans. Stick it.
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Glamorgan now fielding a weakened team in the 50 over competition because they've lost some players to this mercenary sloggit league. Grrrrr.
Less teams is better because you get to see a side full of world class players? Well ******** to that. It's like a European super league which plays with goals twice as big as normal and any goals that you score in the three 15 minute periods get added on to the 8shot per team penalty shoot out at the end.
Less teams is better because you get to see a side full of world class players? Well ******** to that. It's like a European super league which plays with goals twice as big as normal and any goals that you score in the three 15 minute periods get added on to the 8shot per team penalty shoot out at the end.
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I’m not sure what the Franchise bit adds.
If they wanted 20 less balls why not just do it with the existing teams?
If they wanted 20 less balls why not just do it with the existing teams?
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Precisely! that would have been the obvious solution, but would the existing counties have backed that idea, I can see the justification for either T20 or The Hundred, I can't see how both can happily co-exist together, they're just too similar in format for a lot of people to notice the difference, and why the Franchises I have no idea, soulless cricket if you've no history to compare it too, and completely unnecessary considering how successfully T20 has now been built up over the past decade under the existing county structure, if it ain't broke don't change it.Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:20 pmI’m not sure what the Franchise bit adds.
If they wanted 20 less balls why not just do it with the existing teams?
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Nasser said all his team mates reckon he’s the worst footballer ever.Top Claret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:05 pmSam Curran has nifty foot work he could play in our midfield
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Lancs play Sussex tomorrow in the 50 over. They will be without nine players.timshorts wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:18 pmGlamorgan now fielding a weakened team in the 50 over competition because they've lost some players to this mercenary sloggit league. Grrrrr.
Less teams is better because you get to see a side full of world class players? Well ******** to that. It's like a European super league which plays with goals twice as big as normal and any goals that you score in the three 15 minute periods get added on to the 8shot per team penalty shoot out at the end.
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Jimmy said the same.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:33 pmNasser said all his team mates reckon he’s the worst footballer ever.
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My Dad and Aunt : We saw Len Hutton bat and watched Bradman on his last tour ....
Me : I saw Lillee, Thomson, Viv Richards and was at Botham's 1st Test ...
Future : I was at the first " Hundred " games, the DJ's were bangin' ...
Give me strength !
Me : I saw Lillee, Thomson, Viv Richards and was at Botham's 1st Test ...
Future : I was at the first " Hundred " games, the DJ's were bangin' ...
Give me strength !
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That's bonkers CT, this pantomime of a competition is bad enough anyway, but for it too be infringing on proper cricket is beyond the pail.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:36 pmLancs play Sussex tomorrow in the 50 over. They will be without nine players.
I hope it dies a swift death, as Kerry Packer's idea did in the 1970's, it's making a mockery of the sport which many of us love dearly.
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And just to nit pick I hate the graphics on the screen. They almost look designed to distract you from the cricket.
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Seems to be less drunkenness at this game than your average 20/20 which will hopefully help to get more families along
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They look like they’ve been done by a first year graphics design student.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:49 pmAnd just to nit pick I hate the graphics on the screen. They almost look designed to distract you from the cricket.
‘Invincibles’ win in a bit of an anti-climax of a match in the end.
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Have to agree with this, those graphics are truly dreadful.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:49 pmAnd just to nit pick I hate the graphics on the screen. They almost look designed to distract you from the cricket.
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The graphics fit well with this whole conept! All rubbish, but that is what a lot of the great British public are accepting these days what with 'reality' tv etc., etc.aclaretinstevenage wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:18 pmHave to agree with this, those graphics are truly dreadful.
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It’s designed to attract non cricket fans who have a short attention span and want shiny plastic sport, Its not cricket , its sole purpose is to attract a new audience and followers. If you currently love cricket its pointless and a nonsense to watch. If you don’t love cricket and its new to you its like love island or strictly Come dancing , For people who cant dance or never danced and a brain dead youth
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And the players playing in it? Who pays for them? Does that come from the £1.3m? Is £1.3m the price of an ineffective one day tournament, and a further marginalisation of the county championship thus further affecting the ability to produce test match players? Who was Saqib Mahmood playing for tonight? Surrey? Plays well for them, gets a big offer, leaves Lancs...... brilliant, franchise cricket really benefitting the sport where fans have a genuine connection with the game.randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:43 pmI understand each of the Counties will benefit to the tune of around £1.3m from this form of Cricket . Hardly a parasitic relationship. Incidentally , I can't stand this or T20.
Just not needed in an already congested calendar. Can see nothing about what it offers over the blast other than free to air rights - surely not beyond sorting in the existing formats?
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Back on train heading for home in Kent. Not a great start for the Manchester Originals - started well and Tom Hartley was the star bowler. I am from Lancashire and like cricket abs although I live in Kent I could only follow Manchester. This was a bested birthday present - enjoyed the day but most of the crowd around me were intent on only getting ******. It was hard to follow as the DJ played crap music which didn’t enthuse the crowd. Not sure really if cricket needs another format but I don’t think this is it.
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I think it may work for women's cricket giving it a viewing platform that didn't previously exist.
For the mens game, it is hepatitis.
For the mens game, it is hepatitis.
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Manchester are crap at Cricket.
Bring back the mighty Lancashire.
Bring back the mighty Lancashire.
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We've been to every T20 blast game, and we're invested in Lancashire, our team.
Amazingly, my wife, (target audience for the 100) understood how 6 ball overs and no balls worked fairly quickly, what with her being a Batchelor of Science and all.
Does this look like a kid who needs it explaining?
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I hate cricket apart from 20/20, nobody wants to watch a game that goes on and on and on for days at a time anymore. I understand old people will still love The test match cricket but sport works in generations, as generations change and others die out, cricket has become less and less popular, in 90 years time when we're all dead, cricket will be gone unless it's 20/20 imo.Goalposts wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:34 pmIt’s designed to attract non cricket fans who have a short attention span and want shiny plastic sport, Its not cricket , its sole purpose is to attract a new audience and followers. If you currently love cricket its pointless and a nonsense to watch. If you don’t love cricket and its new to you its like love island or strictly Come dancing , For people who cant dance or never danced and a brain dead youth
As for this Hundred thing, I haven't watched either game, I don't quite understand the 100 ball concept, why not 20/20? and day 1 was women cricket
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They should completely scrap the blast and re-model it entirely, it's such a low budget bag of crap with low level players. The actual good players don't care about it, it's an after thought. IPL has world class superstars on show, The Carribean Premier League has more talent and worth than the Blast. The foreign player restrictions hold the Blast back.dandeclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:37 pmAnd the players playing in it? Who pays for them? Does that come from the £1.3m? Is £1.3m the price of an ineffective one day tournament, and a further marginalisation of the county championship thus further affecting the ability to produce test match players? Who was Saqib Mahmood playing for tonight? Surrey? Plays well for them, gets a big offer, leaves Lancs...... brilliant, franchise cricket really benefitting the sport where fans have a genuine connection with the game.
Just not needed in an already congested calendar. Can see nothing about what it offers over the blast other than free to air rights - surely not beyond sorting in the existing formats?
20/20 is the future, nobody cares about test cricket. They need to create the Worldwide 20/20 Super League, the richest buy franchises, the very best players only, takes precedence over any International cricket, broadcast globally. The players will financially benefit. Zero ''foreign'' player regulations, zero caps on salary. the top 100 or so batsmen in the world drafted across 20 Franchise teams, same with the bowlers, all rounders.
maybe the only limit I'd impose is a max limit of 2 teams per country. The IPL has shown viewership and model is there, it needs to be a worldwide thing though, not just rich Indian businessmen played only in India. Worldwide global powerhouse, you would potentially get a super rich Russian businessman buying a spot, creating a team, bringing games to Russia and suddenly cricket is booming, same with America, parts of Asia etc.
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The blast is that shite with "county nobodies" that 4 Lancashire players were in the England XI that beat Pakistan on Wednesday. Liam Livingstone cleared the stand at Headingley.KRBFC wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:31 amThey should completely scrap the blast and re-model it entirely, it's such a low budget bag of crap with low level players. The actual good players don't care about it, it's an after thought. IPL has world class superstars on show, The Carribean Premier League has more talent and worth than the Blast. The foreign player restrictions hold the Blast back.
20/20 is the future, nobody cares about test cricket. They need to create the Worldwide 20/20 Super League, the richest buy franchises, the very best players only, takes precedence over any International cricket, broadcast globally. The players will financially benefit. Zero ''foreign'' player regulations, zero caps on salary. the top 100 or so batsmen in the world drafted across 20 Franchise teams, same with the bowlers, all rounders.
maybe the only limit I'd impose is a max limit of 2 teams per country. The IPL has shown viewership and model is there, it needs to be a worldwide thing though, not just rich Indian businessmen played only in India. Worldwide global powerhouse, you would potentially get a super rich Russian businessman buying a spot, creating a team, bringing games to Russia and suddenly cricket is booming, same with America, parts of Asia etc.
My son has been singing his name for the last 4 weeks ( to the Johann Gudmundsonn song).
Shouting for Saqib to get a wicket, of Vilas to smash it for 6.
No one will convince me after this summer that county cricket doesn't matter.
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In what other game or Country would the administrators devalue the domestic Competition to the extent that teams are forced to put out " Reserve sides ", in the format that you are reigning World Cup holders ?
It's as if after winning the World Cup in 2003, the RFU had shut down the RFU Premiership half way through, and poached all the best players to play in a Rugby 7's tournament, featuring " London Lions ", " Bristol Bulldogs ", " Leicester Leopards " etc. Their parent Clubs would be forced to field junior players, and two years on, the RFU's conducting an enquiry into the poor performance at the 2007 World Cup !
It's as if after winning the World Cup in 2003, the RFU had shut down the RFU Premiership half way through, and poached all the best players to play in a Rugby 7's tournament, featuring " London Lions ", " Bristol Bulldogs ", " Leicester Leopards " etc. Their parent Clubs would be forced to field junior players, and two years on, the RFU's conducting an enquiry into the poor performance at the 2007 World Cup !
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The yanks have all-star games
Seems like this format is going down that route
Fair enough it brings the crowds in but if the one day comp suffers which seems likely then the risk of alienating true fans might backfire on the ECB
Seems like this format is going down that route
Fair enough it brings the crowds in but if the one day comp suffers which seems likely then the risk of alienating true fans might backfire on the ECB
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Leave the cricket chat to people who understand it.KRBFC wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:31 amThey should completely scrap the blast and re-model it entirely, it's such a low budget bag of crap with low level players. The actual good players don't care about it, it's an after thought. IPL has world class superstars on show, The Carribean Premier League has more talent and worth than the Blast. The foreign player restrictions hold the Blast back.
20/20 is the future, nobody cares about test cricket. They need to create the Worldwide 20/20 Super League, the richest buy franchises, the very best players only, takes precedence over any International cricket, broadcast globally. The players will financially benefit. Zero ''foreign'' player regulations, zero caps on salary. the top 100 or so batsmen in the world drafted across 20 Franchise teams, same with the bowlers, all rounders.
maybe the only limit I'd impose is a max limit of 2 teams per country. The IPL has shown viewership and model is there, it needs to be a worldwide thing though, not just rich Indian businessmen played only in India. Worldwide global powerhouse, you would potentially get a super rich Russian businessman buying a spot, creating a team, bringing games to Russia and suddenly cricket is booming, same with America, parts of Asia etc.
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He is the kind of idiot that Allen Stanford was made for. Gullible and gimmicky.
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I doubt crowds for Test cricket over the past 10-15 years have ever been higher.
Doesn’t seem to be filled with old people either.
Doesn’t seem to be filled with old people either.
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Yes a really great idea - a cricket 'Super League' - finance being the main concern - all 8 teams have their CEOs go into a room and get out their cheque books. A rap artist with a twin deck mixes some tunes and when he/she eventially stops the execs have to write a cheque in 30 seconds. The largest wins. We then go outside and play a 15 ball a side game - don't want to make it too long and boring. Close your eyes and swing cricket, it improves batting technique you know! A break between each ball for a retail opportunity and to sell gallons of crap lager. Catchy sing along tunes and lots of drunken dad dancing. Compulsory 400K per week contracts for the superstars £££££ - Now that's the future of cricket!!KRBFC wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:31 amThey should completely scrap the blast and re-model it entirely, it's such a low budget bag of crap with low level players. The actual good players don't care about it, it's an after thought. IPL has world class superstars on show, The Carribean Premier League has more talent and worth than the Blast. The foreign player restrictions hold the Blast back.
20/20 is the future, nobody cares about test cricket. They need to create the Worldwide 20/20 Super League, the richest buy franchises, the very best players only, takes precedence over any International cricket, broadcast globally. The players will financially benefit. Zero ''foreign'' player regulations, zero caps on salary. the top 100 or so batsmen in the world drafted across 20 Franchise teams, same with the bowlers, all rounders.
maybe the only limit I'd impose is a max limit of 2 teams per country. The IPL has shown viewership and model is there, it needs to be a worldwide thing though, not just rich Indian businessmen played only in India. Worldwide global powerhouse, you would potentially get a super rich Russian businessman buying a spot, creating a team, bringing games to Russia and suddenly cricket is booming, same with America, parts of Asia etc.
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Nobody cares about Test Cricket?KRBFC wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:31 amThey should completely scrap the blast and re-model it entirely, it's such a low budget bag of crap with low level players. The actual good players don't care about it, it's an after thought. IPL has world class superstars on show, The Carribean Premier League has more talent and worth than the Blast. The foreign player restrictions hold the Blast back.
20/20 is the future, nobody cares about test cricket. They need to create the Worldwide 20/20 Super League, the richest buy franchises, the very best players only, takes precedence over any International cricket, broadcast globally. The players will financially benefit. Zero ''foreign'' player regulations, zero caps on salary. the top 100 or so batsmen in the world drafted across 20 Franchise teams, same with the bowlers, all rounders.
maybe the only limit I'd impose is a max limit of 2 teams per country. The IPL has shown viewership and model is there, it needs to be a worldwide thing though, not just rich Indian businessmen played only in India. Worldwide global powerhouse, you would potentially get a super rich Russian businessman buying a spot, creating a team, bringing games to Russia and suddenly cricket is booming, same with America, parts of Asia etc.
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For those of us of a certain generation, a day at the test is still something to savour indeed. It was even better when you could take your own ale in
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Test cricket can’t be beaten, you either get it or you don’t.
I think you need to have been brought up on it though, I sort of get why an outsider wouldn’t get it.
I used to sit and watch a full test match in the school holidays with my nanna as a young lad
I think you need to have been brought up on it though, I sort of get why an outsider wouldn’t get it.
I used to sit and watch a full test match in the school holidays with my nanna as a young lad
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It is, but that’s a generation that grew up with test cricket on the BBC over the summer and not as much to distract them from watching it.onewillieirvine wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:47 amFor those of us of a certain generation, a day at the test is still something to savour indeed. It was even better when you could take your own ale in
As an ‘older dad’ (I was 46 when my son was born) I can see it from both ends. When I was his age there were three tv channels and during the school holidays you used to get some ‘Flashing Blades’, old Laurel and Hardy’s and maybe the Banana Splits served up as summer holiday tv. Then just before 11am the cricket would come on. There were no game consoles, no video recorders, no internet, no streaming services, inevitably I ended up watching the cricket and fell in love with it.
It’s different for him. He goes to All Stars Cricket every week and really enjoys that but the idea of sitting down in front of the tv to watch a full days cricket would horrify him with all the other home entertainment he has access to. I took him to a T20 a couple of weeks ago and he enjoyed that and we’re going to Old Trafford on Sunday for the Hundred, but it will be a slow build to test cricket and sitting at a ground for a full day like I did with my dad. I think these competitions are a good ‘in’ for the younger reservation even though I have Hugh reservations about the format and may well sit there on Sunday grumbling about ‘real overs’.
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Jonathan Liew writing in the guardian.....
"The great lie of The Hundred – a lie deployed not simply to woo a new audience but antagonise the old one – is that it is some daring act of visionary disruption, a clean break with the past. On the contrary, it’s exactly the same sandwich with exactly the same filling: only packaged in fancy coloured plastic, given a new name and marketed at the gluten-intolerant."
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... SApp_Other
"The great lie of The Hundred – a lie deployed not simply to woo a new audience but antagonise the old one – is that it is some daring act of visionary disruption, a clean break with the past. On the contrary, it’s exactly the same sandwich with exactly the same filling: only packaged in fancy coloured plastic, given a new name and marketed at the gluten-intolerant."
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... SApp_Other
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Jonathan Liew ? Hmmm...that name rings a bell
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Worth also noting the headline reads,dandeclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:13 amJonathan Liew writing in the guardian.....
"The great lie of The Hundred – a lie deployed not simply to woo a new audience but antagonise the old one – is that it is some daring act of visionary disruption, a clean break with the past. On the contrary, it’s exactly the same sandwich with exactly the same filling: only packaged in fancy coloured plastic, given a new name and marketed at the gluten-intolerant."
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... SApp_Other
‘For all the flippancy and deserved snark, the Hundred was good fun’
And if enough people are of the same opinion and it draws the crowds it will succeed.
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Cricket is fun.... T20 blast is fun. If they gamble established crowds on a new crowd, who don't stick around, then what? Have you seen Lancs ODI team today? There's little chance of me paying any real interest to Lancs 2nd XI in a premier competition/ The side is a shambles, meanwhile, Saqib Mahmood, Liam Livingstone et al, who have been developed by Lancashire are off playing for a franchise, and strengthening options to leave the club permanently.
Liew is right, same sport, in fancy pants, marketed to transient fans..... and painted as the future. Meanwhile, enjoy those moments of Ben Stokes, Ashes Wins, and ODI wins, because the whole pyramid that supports that, which needed strengthening, has been further weeakened. Franchised sport is not what sport is about is it? Community roots, development pathways, traditional rivalries, affinity between fans and players, a proper feeling of highs and lows dependent on results. Not a shrug of the shoulders and a "it's only a game" mentality.
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OAPs do because they grew up with cricket, when that generation has gone, then what?
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I went along last night. As a night out for the kids at the end of term it was fine. As a game of cricket it was utter drivel! Give me an afternoon at Lowerhouse anytime!
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Better beer at Lowerhouse too!
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In Australia, England & India that's certainly true, however that's not the case in many parts of the world.Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:14 amI doubt crowds for Test cricket over the past 10-15 years have ever been higher.
Doesn’t seem to be filled with old people either.
What I don't understand is why go down the Franchise route, I thought T20 was a huge success, and was attracting the younger fanbase.
I'm 45 and my favourite cricketing memories are of listening and watching test matches, you can't beat the drama of a 5 day test, I mention TB in 2005, Glamorgan 2009, and of course Headingley in 2019 to perfectly illustrate this point.
The England white ball team has probably never been in a better place, 50 over world champions, and performing strongly at the recent T20 World Cups, and heavy favs to lift the trophy in 2021.
But all that success could be under threat if England's stars are burnt out by playing all this cricket.
Normally I'd be glued to a cricket match, particularly one which is available free-to-air, but my only knowledge of The Hundred is what I've seen on this forum, and the odd article on the BBC, who as you'd fully expect are plugging it big time, but for me it's not real cricket, and therefore I have zero interest in it.
Roll on next week and the start of the test series against India, that will be a real exhibition of the best players in the world competing in the toughest format of the game. Not this pyjama cricket nonsense to pander to the Twitter generation.
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Can’t recall New Zealand having much higher crowds, Sri Lanka and South Africa the same.
Pakistan obviously not played at home for the majority of that time.
The only one I can think of is West Indies but that’s hardly surprising giving the decline in quality.
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There will likely only be a handful of test sides eventually which is a shame. There’s just not the finance to keep them going in the other countries
India
England
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What's the difference between this and 20:20? Just 20 fewer balls or other rule changes too?
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Have you ever been to the test match? I’ve a spare ticket for England v India at Old Trafford in September. You’ll have the best day of your life if you go. It’s the best sporting day out there is
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Broadly 20 balls fewer, but rather than bowled in 6 ball overs, they're bowled in 5 ball or 10 ball spells.
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I'm sure it's a good day out on the drink, as for the sport itself, I think test cricket will die out with generations. I see why cricket needs to target the younger audience, I don't think this Hundred thing is it though.Local cricketer wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:25 pmHave you ever been to the test match? I’ve a spare ticket for England v India at Old Trafford in September. You’ll have the best day of your life if you go. It’s the best sporting day out there is
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Personally I think Test cricket will grow in popularity as people seek more authentic entertainment and sport. it is like many things, popularity goes in waves. When CDs hit the market and again with mass streaming who would have thought that shops selling vinyl would be opening on the high street or micro breweries opening in the face of mass produced fizzy lager.
When rugby union went professional everyone said that would be the end of the Lions and Barbarians, apparently not.
In the 70's and 80's food in Britain embraced quick and easy meals, "pub grub" consisted of chicken and chips in a basket and homes were full of frozen microwavable foods. Now the UK has a huge number of Michelin starred restaurants and pubs are all "gastro" pubs.
The Hundred is the cricekt equivalent of the Findus crispy pancake - quick easy and has some novelty factor where as test cricket is a home made steak pie!
When rugby union went professional everyone said that would be the end of the Lions and Barbarians, apparently not.
In the 70's and 80's food in Britain embraced quick and easy meals, "pub grub" consisted of chicken and chips in a basket and homes were full of frozen microwavable foods. Now the UK has a huge number of Michelin starred restaurants and pubs are all "gastro" pubs.
The Hundred is the cricekt equivalent of the Findus crispy pancake - quick easy and has some novelty factor where as test cricket is a home made steak pie!
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The audience peaked at 2million last night, wonder what the average viewing figures are for the Blast?