Nadhim Zahawi speaking in the Commons now. Missed his saying it but the BBC have picked up that from the end of September the Government plans to make full vaccination a condition of entry to venues which have crowds.

mikeS wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:06 am

Nadhim Zahawi speaking in the Commons now. Missed his saying it but the BBC have picked up that from the end of September the Government plans to make full vaccination a condition of entry to venues which have crowds.
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Will be interesting to hear just how this will work in practice.

Leisure wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:11 am

Will be interesting to hear just how this will work in practice.

Probably show your phone or card and then you can go in.

Leisure wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:11 am

Will be interesting to hear just how this will work in practice.

Everyone who's been jabbed gets a card with the stickers attached.

Failing that, log into the NHS app as the jab information is stored on there.

the NHS APP (not to be confused with the NHS COVID APPP) is used for proof of vaccination.

Leisure wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:11 am

Will be interesting to hear just how this will work in practice.

Indeed, from my experiences at gigs where you've had to show ID with you ticket its been chaos and easily navigated.

More detail:

And answering the question about where the Covid pass will be compulsory, Zahawi says the passes - which prove someone has been double vaccinated - will be required in nightclubs and other crowded indoor venues like music venues, "or large unstructured outdoor events such as business events and festivals, or very large structured events such as business events, music and spectator sport events".

So the real question is whether they will consider Turf Moor a "very large" spectator sport event? Or whether they mean events like the Euro's?

Personally, I think by September there will be so much data suggesting that the vaccinated are catching and transmitting covid, and potentially vaccine-defeating variants, that they'll have to row back and revert to testing.

If we have to jab the turnstile operator twice for entry then so be it.

Laughable.

As if nightclubs are going to turn people away. Business events? Yeah right. Football? Yeah right. They don’t even check if a ticket is adult/childs never mind doing all that and then checking if someone has been vaccinated.

The COVID Pass (On the NHS App) is like the QR code you get for each jab. You can also download and save it.

The pain with the NHS app is remembering and entering your password - and the use of the 6 digit passcode thats texted to you if you don't check the right box.
The pass has an expiry date of a month.

Is this the same bloke who said there wasn't a plan for 'passports' ?

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:30 am

If we have to jab the turnstile operator twice for entry then so be it.

Turnstile operator by the end of match day..

The entire idea is immoral and unethical in my opinion. Regardless of your stance on the vaccine, this idea presents a very slippery slope. If it was about protecting people they would incorporate a negative test, the lack there of convinces me it's more of a power grab. I'm sure I read 60% of covid hospitalations are double jabbed which means the idea of a vaccinated person is automatically safe to mingle is laughable.

mikeS wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:31 am

The COVID Pass (On the NHS App) is like the QR code you get for each jab. You can also download and save it.

The pain with the NHS app is remembering and entering your password - and the use of the 6 digit passcode thats texted to you if you don't check the right box.
The pass has an expiry date of a month.

My phone stores the log in details for me...

I'm pretty sure that it has been clarified that this will only be considered if vaccination rates among the young stay low and cases remain high...

WazzaClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:38 am

The entire idea is immoral and unethical in my opinion. Regardless of your stance on the vaccine, this idea presents a very slippery slope. If it was about protecting people they would incorporate a negative test, the lack there of convinces me it's more of a power grab. I'm sure I read 60% of covid hospitalations are double jabbed which means the idea of a vaccinated person is automatically safe to mingle is laughable.

That was a press conference mistake that was later corrected, the figures are 60% of hospitalisations not vaccinated.

WazzaClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:38 am

I'm sure I read 60% of covid hospitalations are double jabbed which means the idea of a vaccinated person is automatically safe to mingle is laughable.

Nope 60% are unvaccinated and out of the other 40% its not been confirmed how many are single and how many are double jabbed

Fair enough, thought I'd seen it somewhere. I still believe it sets a dangerous precedent if it is brought out.

Can't help but admire government clarity on this topic.

mikeS wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:31 am

The COVID Pass (On the NHS App) is like the QR code you get for each jab. You can also download and save it.

The pain with the NHS app is remembering and entering your password - and the use of the 6 digit passcode thats texted to you if you don't check the right box.
The pass has an expiry date of a month.

Just go onto the site every month and make/print a pdf copy, best way - like when you go to airport.

WazzaClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:46 am

Fair enough, thought I'd seen it somewhere. I still believe it sets a dangerous precedent if it is brought out.

Yep, that incorrect statistic was only announced at an official press conference to the nation with a full explanation given as to why it was the case. It was then corrected afterwards on twitter. No biggie.

And people wonder why we don't fancy giving this shower more control.

Report on BBC yesterday that Premier League is discussing bringing "passports" into use from the first game in the season. Idea being to be able to maximise capacity.

PS: I though covid-19 was a topic we aren't supposed to discuss on this mb.

Stay safe, everyone.

The tories have turned into the stasi. To much power going to certain ministers heads

The idea is to increase vaccine uptake in the 18/30 age group. The govt get a lot of wrong, like the current state of Pingland, however they are bang on the money with this one.

Should be proof of 2 jabs, or proof of genuine medical exception

Its wrong

Its either safe to have big crowds or it isn't

This won’t go through. I think it’s a scheme by the Government to try and scare young people into getting the jab which I think is appalling.

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:20 am

Probably show your phone or card and then you can go in.

I don't think the cards are valid ... I use the App but got my Mrs and Brother Vacc proof letters from the NHS as neither use a smart phone and so have no app....

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:01 pm

This won’t go through. I think it’s a scheme by the Government to try and scare young people into getting the jab which I think is appalling.

You say that. But I'm pretty sure I read that they can bring it in under CoronaVirus Act, which means no vote in Parliament will be necessary. It all stinks.

mikeS wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:31 am

The COVID Pass (On the NHS App) is like the QR code you get for each jab. You can also download and save it.

The pain with the NHS app is remembering and entering your password - and the use of the 6 digit passcode thats texted to you if you don't check the right box.
The pass has an expiry date of a month.

Fingerprint for access makes it easier

The expiry date renews each time you log in, its only really an issue if you print a paper copy off.

The letter from the NHS does not expire, took about 4 days for ours to arrive

Must say, the EU Vaccine passport works a dream. QR code which you can bring up in the app or have a screenshot of. Easy as owt.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:57 pm

Its wrong

Its either safe to have big crowds or it isn't

A crowd of 20,000 double jabbed will be far safer than a crowd of 20,000 who have not had a single jab

I have to laugh, though. People banging on about how having to show proof of vaccination status, test results, or natural immunity, to get into a crowded event, is somehow an infringement of civil liberties. Makes it sound like we are living in China or Cuba.

mikeS wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:31 am

The COVID Pass (On the NHS App) is like the QR code you get for each jab. You can also download and save it.

The pain with the NHS app is remembering and entering your password - and the use of the 6 digit passcode thats texted to you if you don't check the right box.
The pass has an expiry date of a month.

My phone has fingerprint access ... but could print a pass when I need one (lasts 30 days)

Grumps wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:19 pm

Fingerprint for access makes it easier

The expiry date renews each time you log in, its only really an issue if you print a paper copy off.

The letter from the NHS does not expire, took about 4 days for ours to arrive

Same for my Wifes and my Brothers 4 days

Grumps wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:21 pm

A crowd of 20,000 double jabbed will be far safer than a crowd of 20,000 who have not had a single jab

Also, least likely to have an impact on the wider community and the NHS.

basil6345789 wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:51 am

Just go onto the site every month and make/print a pdf copy, best way - like when you go to airport.

No need. You can ring 119 and simply request a paper copy that comes through the post, and as of now it lasts forever. (Though nothing really lasts forever of course)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-covid-pass

I have no problem in this and will be adding this app to my phone.
I must admit Im surprised this post has lasted so long, I did this back in March and had it deleted 3 times so guess its not just Boris who does uturns but moderates too Well done for common sense

also feel all should be vacinated over 12 yrs old

Good for arguing about, but in the real world it'll be the most basic box-ticking exercise which will be ignored or easily bypassed. By the time they got something like this running well enough to actually work, everyone in the UK will have had Covid anyway.

Thousands of people got into Wembley a fortnight ago without tickets, let alone a Covid test or vaccine certificate. Get furious by all means, but this won't stop anyone going on the Turf regardless of vaccine status.

pureclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:29 pm

I have no problem in this and will be adding this app to my phone.
I must admit Im surprised this post has lasted so long, I did this back in March and had it deleted 3 times so guess its not just Boris who does uturns but moderates too Well done for common sense

Don't hold your breath

dushanbe wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:33 am

Is this the same bloke who said there wasn't a plan for 'passports' ?

It is indeed!.

When the contracts for supplying them had been signed around 3 weeks earlier from what was being confirmed on the radio yesterday.

NottsClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:30 pm

Good for arguing about, but in the real world it'll be the most basic box-ticking exercise which will be ignored or easily bypassed. By the time they got something like this running well enough to actually work, everyone in the UK will have had Covid anyway.

Thousands of people got into Wembley a fortnight ago without tickets, let alone a Covid test or vaccine certificate. Get furious by all means, but this won't stop anyone going on the Turf regardless of vaccine status.

I guess it depends on the individual.
If I hadn't had the jabs, but it was required for entry, I wouldn't even attempt to gain entry. Some people just don't think rules apply to them.

NottsClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:30 pm

Good for arguing about, but in the real world it'll be the most basic box-ticking exercise which will be ignored or easily bypassed. By the time they got something like this running well enough to actually work, everyone in the UK will have had Covid anyway.

Thousands of people got into Wembley a fortnight ago without tickets, let alone a Covid test or vaccine certificate. Get furious by all means, but this won't stop anyone going on the Turf regardless of vaccine status.

9 out of 10 people in the UK currently have antibodies thanks to either vaccines, having the virus or being naturally immune.

Good as long as it is enforced. It’s no big deal to provide proof. As the minister says ‘ 2 jabs reduce the risk of hospitalisation by about 96%’.

Absolute madness the amount of people going along with this. So you need a jab to get into crowded places, does that include colleges, universities, schools etc? Someone's education determined by whether they have the jab is a sick joke.

Murger wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:58 pm

So you need a jab to get into crowded places, does that include colleges, universities, schools etc?

Yup. Jab or proof of medical exemption. In my opinion, of course

ŽižkovClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:07 pm

Yup. Jab or proof of medical exemption. In my opinion, of course

So you'd be quite happy for kids to miss out on an education?

I've no sympathy for anyone (unless medically exempt) who won't be able to attend on the basis they thought they were being clever or rebellious by not getting a vaccine!

Murger wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:08 pm

So you'd be quite happy for kids to miss out on an education?

Why would they, because their parent or guardian "didn't like the vaccine"?

I'd suggest both generations would be best advised to get all the education they can in such a circumstance