Conroy92 wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 01, 2021 3:05 pm

I think mixing genders in some sports and events is actually more harmful to equality. Say sprinting becomes a mixed event, only the 50 fastest sprinters can represent, how many of the 50 do you think would be women?
I couldn't ever see a unisex football side, I think it would be dangerous.

Back to the OP, if a female manager was the best candidate for the job I'd have them.

The mixing of genders in Olympic events aren't how you're describing them. They are team events (relays) with equal participation of male and female.

I don’t think a woman could successfully coach a men’s team without a very, very strong team of male staff who could implement her ideas. Even some of our own more macho managers have needed a sergeant major type - the likes of a Sam Ellis, a Ronnie Jepson or an Ian Woan to control the boys. It’s worse these days now that even the junior players are earning more than the men coaching them.

All of the examples given above of successful women coaches are for coaching on a one-to-one sporting basis, but it’s quite different coaching a group of 20 -30 men with big ego’s, heavy wallets and pumped up emotions.

It’s quite conceivable that a woman could manage a club in a largely admin role, dealing with the media, introducing new playing ideas and largely office-based issues, but the training ground cut and thrust, sweaty changing room and car park punch-ups would remain the domain of the male coaches.

However it may be possible for a woman to coach individual players of a certain type - a Patrick Bamford perhaps, but certainly not a Joey Barton. Then there are the potential racial issues.

Therefore we a long, long way away from a female head coach, in charge of all team matters and recognised as the main figure-head of a professional football club.

Just wow..

Daley and Peaty are gay, I think feminine men are more likely to work better with women.

IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:05 pm

I don’t think a woman could successfully coach a men’s team without a very, very strong team of male staff who could implement her ideas. Even some of our own more macho managers have needed a sergeant major type - the likes of a Sam Ellis, a Ronnie Jepson or an Ian Woan to control the boys. It’s worse these days now that even the junior players are earning more than the men coaching them.

All of the examples given above of successful women coaches are for coaching on a one-to-one sporting basis, but it’s quite different coaching a group of 20 -30 men with big ego’s, heavy wallets and pumped up emotions.

It’s quite conceivable that a woman could manage a club in a largely admin role, dealing with the media, introducing new playing ideas and largely office-based issues, but the training ground cut and thrust, sweaty changing room and car park punch-ups would remain the domain of the male coaches.

However it may be possible for a woman to coach individual players of a certain type - a Patrick Bamford perhaps, but certainly not a Joey Barton. Then there are the potential racial issues.

Therefore we a long, long way away from a female head coach, in charge of all team matters and recognised as the main figure-head of a professional football club.

JFW, how prehistoric do you sound? Quite conceivable a woman could manage a club in a largely admin role?

The undercurrent of sexism on this forum really is disappointing.

Prehistoric maybe, but just stating things as they will be for the foreseeable future imo. Which part of my post do you disagree with particularly??

IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:22 pm

Prehistoric maybe, but just stating things as they will be for the foreseeable future imo. Which part of my post do you disagree with particularly??

Erm, pretty much every word.

Predictable answer.

Remember the title is “Next Burnley manager / coach female?” Can’t see it myself, maybe a lower league club.

Which could be us if we drop down..

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:46 pm

Which could be us if we drop down..

And if we do the chances of us appointing a female manager seem close to zero.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:14 pm

Daley and Peaty are gay, I think feminine men are more likely to work better with women.

Adam Peaty isn’t gay.

I enjoy watching women’s team games - football, cricket, even rugby. I find the courtesy to the officials, the absence of cheating, the lack of simulating injury and acceptance of decisions very refreshing indeed. However I regard the women’s codes as different sports to the men’s.

If you’ve played the men’s game to any level you would know of the dark arts, gamesmanship sledging/banter, strength and physicality that have become part and parcel of the modern game. These are the things that were discussed in great detail (pre-Covid) in every pub in the country and which are a fundamental part of the history and fascination of men’s football.

It is essential that a coach in the men’s game(s) fully understands these things plus the character of the players who have learnt their trade through these basics.

Unfortunately I don’t believe that there is female coach in the land that has these qualities and I don’t believe that one will manage/coach Burnley for the foreseeable future regardless of which league we are in.

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:14 pm

Adam Peaty isn’t gay.

He must be, haven't you seen those little shorts he wears?

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:14 pm

Adam Peaty isn’t gay.

Then I'm an idiot, I thought he was.

IWOODLOVETT wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:20 pm

I enjoy watching women’s team games - football, cricket, even rugby. I find the courtesy to the officials, the absence of cheating, the lack of simulating injury and acceptance of decisions very refreshing indeed. However I regard the women’s codes as different sports to the men’s.

If you’ve played the men’s game to any level you would know of the dark arts, gamesmanship sledging/banter, strength and physicality that have become part and parcel of the modern game. These are the things that were discussed in great detail (pre-Covid) in every pub in the country and which are a fundamental part of the history and fascination of men’s football.

It is essential that a coach in the men’s game(s) fully understands these things plus the character of the players who have learnt their trade through these basics.

Unfortunately I don’t believe that there is female coach in the land that has these qualities and I don’t believe that one will manage/coach Burnley for the foreseeable future regardless of which league we are in.

You don't need to keep bashing us over the head with it, we understand you're a caveman

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:53 pm

And if we do the chances of us appointing a female manager seem close to zero.

I don’t disagree with this.

Assuming we’re still operating in 50 years, I’d hazard a guess that we won’t have had a female head coach/manager in that time.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:14 pm

Daley and Peaty are gay, I think feminine men are more likely to work better with women.

**** me. There are far too many posts on here where you hope it's just a bad joke but you have a strong suspicion it's not.

I swear to god this forum is an actual working, functional time machine.

Every smooth-brained, illiterate, inbred f.ucking yokel posting on here about how 'wimmin can't manage men' seems to be listing reason after reason for why it supposedly can't work that point less toward any inherent, innate reason why a woman couldn't possibly succeed in managing a men's team, and more towards some imagined notion of the presumably sexist attitudes of footballers getting in the way of her doing her job; some inevitable impulse to sabotage on the part of said players; an assumed sexism in footballers which — owing to their being in possession of a penis — supposedly prevents them from being capable of respecting a woman talking about football. But quite honestly, this line of reasoning says more about the trogs making such an argument than it does the real attitudes of modern professional footballers. If you believe that a woman can't be respected by a male footballer, you need to look at yourself and ask, "am I able to respect a capable woman talking about football?" If your answer truly is "no, I can't respect that", then I have some bad news: the problem is you and your empty head, not her ability to manage.

And by the way..."Played at any level"...PAH!!! That phrase needs to die a death. You fluked a hattrick one time at Sunday league level against a goalkeeper with a brutal hangover and a centre half shagged by his undiagnosed Leukemia. You aren't bloody Pele.

aggi wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:57 pm

**** me. There are far too many posts on here where you hope it's just a bad joke but you have a strong suspicion it's not.

The very same people who in their ignorance idolise the mythology surrounding the Spartans: hyper masculine warriors — strong, proud, brave, fierce, big manly men, fighting off the 'effete' Easterners, protecting their women (note the domineering and possessive language), their lands, their 'culture'. Hetero = masculine/dominant; homo = effete/submissive. Apparently nobody told these idiots about the state-mandated gay sex with your squad mates and all the naked workouts. People need to get the daft homophobic idea out of their heads that sexuality and 'strength' (whatever that means) are somehow conjoined. It's utterly ridiculous.

Honestly, as a straight bloke I resent the implication made above that I'm lesser suited to working subordinate to a woman than I am a man. It flatly presumes I'm some kind of insecure primitive, incapable of receiving instruction from a woman without it wounding my pride. I'm not so small and insecure a man as to be wounded by such a thing. Again, this reveals more about the people making such an argument than it does any of the practical realities of a workplace.

It might be a first but we should keep an open mind about our next manager and in this regard we should be gender blind.
If they are good enough, have the badges can motivate a team , provided they are morally sound I would appoint them.

kentonclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:23 pm

They are already mixing and matching genders at the Olympics in swimming relays and Triathalon events. How much longer until gender equality forces a change to mixed teams in sports such as football and cricket? Why just stop at coaches and managers?

They’re not really “ mixing and matching genders per se” they’re having men vs men and women vs women in certain relay events and it’s worked v well indeed ( apart from the Nigerian 4x4 relay which gave a glimpse of men vs women ) as the physical difference in the likes of swimming /running /cycling is the only difference as technique simply does not come into it at all . This couldn’t happen in football, as the technical aspect mixed to the physical is hugely superior in males it’s just nature and nowt can be done about that .

aggi wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:57 pm

**** me. There are far too many posts on here where you hope it's just a bad joke but you have a strong suspicion it's not.

Can't be arsed arguing but let me expand upon my post, I didn't say straight men couldn't work with a women. My point was feminine men tend to gravitate towards females socially. People see the word ''gay'' and assume it's being used in a derogatory manner and scream homophobia, wasn't the case.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:02 pm

Can't be arsed arguing but let me expand upon my post, I didn't say straight men couldn't work with a women. My point was feminine men tend to gravitate towards females socially. People see the word ''gay'' and assume it's being used in a derogatory manner and scream homophobia, wasn't the case.

To be fair, you do have a point.
Feminine men do tend to socialise with women and women enjoy having feminine men around as they feel safer/less threatened than with the stereotypical straight butch guy.
It's not homophobic, just reality.

I've seen lots of subtle and not so subtle homophobia on here, this isn't it though.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:02 pm

Can't be arsed arguing but let me expand upon my post, I didn't say straight men couldn't work with a women. My point was feminine men tend to gravitate towards females socially. People see the word ''gay'' and assume it's being used in a derogatory manner and scream homophobia, wasn't the case.

I'd say it's the gay men are feminine part which is offensive.

Happily stereotyping all gay men based on some weird view that you have.

aggi wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:35 pm

I'd say it's the gay men are feminine part which is offensive.

Happily stereotyping all gay men based on some weird view that you have.

I didn't say ALL gay men did I? Go read it again, I was talking about Tom Daley being openly gay, then I said ''feminine men'' which could include straight or gay.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:39 pm

I didn't say ALL gay men did I? Go read it again, I was talking about Tom Daley being openly gay, then I said ''feminine men'' which could include straight or gay.

Daley and Peaty are gay, I think feminine men are more likely to work better with women.

Ah, of course. The first half of the sentence was just a random piece of (incorrect) information that was nothing to do with the second half.

Although if the gay part was entirely unrelated to the feminine part then why did you feel it necessary to mention it?

Can we make the woman black too?

aggi wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:51 pm

Daley and Peaty are gay, I think feminine men are more likely to work better with women.

Ah, of course. The first half of the sentence was just a random piece of (incorrect) information that was nothing to do with the second half.

Although if the gay part was entirely unrelated to the feminine part then why did you feel it necessary to mention it?

Because I was talking about Tom Daley who is openly gay and feminine, why else? I wasn't talking about every gay person who walks planet earth.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:01 pm

Of course a woman can coach men, the problem is the male attitude.

Look at Alex Scott as a pundit, dismissed by many, Inc people on here purely because she's a woman
They've even claimed she's gotten her jobs to tick boxes despite the fact she has gone and got the relevant qualifications for the job.

They certainly couldn't do any worse than the likes of Tony Adams, John Barnes and numerous other former players who've failed in management.
Even Mark Hughes is a busted flush at club level.

The Chelsea woman's coach/manager was right to not be interested in the MK Don's job I think it was, she's earned the right to start higher up the ladder.

Alex Scott is one of the worse pundits out there. Painful.

Gabby Logan is excellent. And always has been.

Nothing to do with gender.

As for Chelsea womans manager earning the right to start higher than MK Dons. Fishing of the highest calibre. But pretending it isnt for a minute. She clearly has not earned the right to start higher than MK. It's like saying Padihams manager has earnt the right to manage Burnley!

As much as people want to pretend its the same job. It clearly isnt. Youve even hinted at it above - she will have to manage a squad of those male attitudes. Never mind the fans, media etc.

Any woman that wants to manage a professional mens team good luck to them. They would be mad to want to do it tbh!

One of the best managers I have ever had (and work for now) is a woman. Puts many of her male peers to shame. In fact it doesnt even cross anyones mind that its a woman doing it.

If a woman is good enough to manage a mens pro team (and I am sure it will happen in the next ten years) good luck to them. But the MK dons example is laughable.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:42 pm

Because I was talking about Tom Daley who is openly gay and feminine, why else? I wasn't talking about every gay person who walks planet earth.

And, although you clearly don't know anything about Adam Peaty, you decided that he was feminine as you thought he was gay (and that's putting aside exactly what Tom Daley being "feminine" is referring to).

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 02, 2021 3:01 pm

Alex Scott is one of the worse pundits out there. Painful.

Gabby Logan is excellent. And always has been.

Nothing to do with gender.

As for Chelsea womans manager earning the right to start higher than MK Dons. Fishing of the highest calibre. But pretending it isnt for a minute. She clearly has not earned the right to start higher than MK. It's like saying Padihams manager has earnt the right to manage Burnley!

As much as people want to pretend its the same job. It clearly isnt. Youve even hinted at it above - she will have to manage a squad of those male attitudes. Never mind the fans, media etc.

Any woman that wants to manage a professional mens team good luck to them. They would be mad to want to do it tbh!

One of the best managers I have ever had (and work for now) is a woman. Puts many of her male peers to shame. In fact it doesnt even cross anyones mind that its a woman doing it.

If a woman is good enough to manage a mens pro team (and I am sure it will happen in the next ten years) good luck to them. But the MK dons example is laughable.

Why was Scott Parker to get Fulham, then be linked with Spurs and then end up at Bournemouth?
What did Lampard do to deserve Derby and then Chelsea?
Rooney at Derby?

They've all done nothing as coaches to suggest they deserved any of those jobs, yet they're all jobs higher than you think one of the most successful womens coaches out there deserves because apparently she hasn't earned it.

Pot kettle there thinking I'm fishing when you come out with that tripe.

aggi wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:56 pm

And, although you clearly don't know anything about Adam Peaty, you decided that he was feminine as you thought he was gay (and that's putting aside exactly what Tom Daley being "feminine" is referring to).

Now you're changing the goalposts at what you're offended at. You're offended I thought someone who posed half naked on a Gay magazine cover was gay? I mean that's my bad, doesn't change my initial point though, just remove his name, I did say further up though that straight men can be feminine.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:30 pm

Now you're changing the goalposts at what you're offended at. You're offended I thought someone who posed half naked on a Gay magazine cover was gay? I mean that's my bad, doesn't change my initial point though, just remove his name, I did say further up though that straight men can be feminine.

Nope, still the same issue. The lazy stereotyping of gay men as feminine. Why did you even mention that they were gay when talking about them being "feminine"?

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:00 pm

Why was Scott Parker to get Fulham, then be linked with Spurs and then end up at Bournemouth?
What did Lampard do to deserve Derby and then Chelsea?
Rooney at Derby?

They've all done nothing as coaches to suggest they deserved any of those jobs, yet they're all jobs higher than you think one of the most successful womens coaches out there deserves because apparently she hasn't earned it.

Pot kettle there thinking I'm fishing when you come out with that tripe.

The difference is obvious. They have all played at the very highest level of the sport in front of the biggest crowds and tv audiences with every game worth millions of pounds and promotion / relegation / championship titles worth even more.

The women’s game isn’t even remotely comparable.

In the last season before Covid the highest TOTAL attended club was Arsenal. With 35,000. For the FULL season.

As for Rooney and Lampard. Both of whom played under the best managers in premier league and European history. I’m fergie and mourinho. As well as some other bloody good ones including moyes, redknapp, van gaal, scolari, hiddink, Capello and more.

They’ll have learnt a shedload from them. Have real experience of playing for great managers alongside great players at the highest level.

Managing a women’s team with a fraction of the expectation, skill and pressure isn’t even comparable.

Just because they played at the highest level and for some of the best managers doesn't instantly translate to them being good managers and worthy of certain jobs.

You chat some real guff at times on here but now you're really piling it on and it's steaming ...

Seeing I can't edit yet.

Ironic that you mention a number of managers who were either crap or bang average as players but went on to become brilliant managers, it's almost like playing at a top level didn't matter for them....

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:51 am

Just because they played at the highest level and for some of the best managers doesn't instantly translate to them being good managers and worthy of certain jobs.

Completely agree. But they’re infinitely more qualified than someone who has managed at a standard lower than padiham.