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What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:31 pm
by tiger76
For those who bizarrely think we'd be better off without Sean Dyche at the helm, let me just list a few of his achievements.
Promotion in 2013/14 season with a sparse budget, and a small squad, also we'd sold our main striker Charlie Austin on the eve of the campaign.
Promotion again in 2015/16 season at the first time of asking, and to boot the Championship trophy, plus a 23 match unbeaten run to end the campaign in style.
93 points, and only 5 defeats in both those seasons.
We're now embarking on a 6th successive PL season.
2 top 10 PL finishes, including a 7th placed finish in the 17/18 campaign to secure European football for Burnley for the first time in over 50 years.
Famous wins at Anfield, Goodison, Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge & The Emirates to name just a few, venues where we hadn't tasted success in decades.
Enabled the club to embark on building the new training facility at Barnfield.
Turned the likes of Heaton, Ings, Keane, Pope Tarkowski & Trippier into England internationals.
Made vast profits on Gray, Heaton, Ings, Keane & Vokes amongst others.
Beaten Rovers 4 times in a row, with the other 3 ending in draws.
But evidently all of the above isn't deemed good enough by a small minority of entitled Burnley fans, who seem to think that we can compete on an equal footing with the mage rich clubs of the EPL.
Reality check we can't, however what we can do is remain at the top table, and slowly grow the club on and off the pitch, and our best chance of remaining a PL club is by keeping hold of our biggest asset in the manager. Is he perfect? No! of course he isn't, but if he was he wouldn't still be at Burnley, he'd have been snapped up by a bigger fish, but he's certainly been the best BFC manager in my lifetime, and we should enjoy him and this success well we can, because it may not last forever.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:39 pm
by ewanrob
We should have won on Saturday, his tactics 2nd half we terrible....9 years and he still struugles to effect a game with his subs. Not taking anything away from what has gone before, but we have to beat our relegation rivals at home...end of.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:39 pm
by Steve1956
Great Post Tiger....you don't know what you got till its gone.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:41 pm
by dougcollins
Not to mention the Aquaducts.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:41 pm
by Wokingclaret
ewanrob wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:39 pm
We should have won on Saturday, his tactics 2nd half we terrible....9 years and he still struugles to effect a game with his subs. Not taking anything away from what has gone before, but we have to beat our relegation rivals at home...end of.
Who's to say we will have any relegation rivals this season
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:44 pm
by joey13
Sanitation
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:48 pm
by Billyblah
ewanrob wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:39 pm
We should have won on Saturday, his tactics 2nd half we terrible....9 years and he still struugles to effect a game with his subs. Not taking anything away from what has gone before, but we have to beat our relegation rivals at home...end of.
Ewan, having watched Burnley since the late 70's I've seen a succession of Burnley managers employ far worse tactics than that.
And some of those games were in what is now known as Leave Two where for a number of seasons we could hardly hold our own at that level!!
Well done to the OP for that perspective
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:53 pm
by ClaretAndJew
I mean it's all fair enough but looking backwards never helps you move forwards.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:53 pm
by elwaclaret
joey13 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:44 pm
Sanitation
What is sanitised?
Or were you trying to be a smart arse and picked the wrong big word?
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:53 pm
by gawthorpe_view
Brought about £1,000,000,000 to the town and club.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:55 pm
by ClaretAndJew
gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:53 pm
Brought about £1,000,000,000 to the town and club.
Where's all that gone? A billion!
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:56 pm
by gawthorpe_view
ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:55 pm
Where's all that gone? A billion!
Good isn't he?
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:56 pm
by Devils_Advocate
elwaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:53 pm
What is sanitised?
Or were you trying to be a smart arse and picked the wrong big word?
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:58 pm
by elwaclaret
Quite right. Still don’t get it sorry
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:02 pm
by Bosscat
elwaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:53 pm
What is sanitised?
Or were you trying to be a smart arse and picked the wrong big word?
Tis a reference to Monty Pythons Life of Brian "what did the romans ever do for us" sketch ...
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:05 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
He's delivered more than anyone expected let's he honest.
Now he's done that and stabilized the club in the PL he needs to evolve his team and style.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:07 pm
by ksrclaret
It’s nothing Steven Pressley wouldn’t have achieved for us.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:23 pm
by elwaclaret
Bosscat wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:02 pm
Tis a reference to Monty Pythons Life of Brian "what did the romans ever do for us" sketch ...
I remember the sketch, but not the particular reference. Quite amazing how many the Oxford graduates actually got wrong in that list.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:25 pm
by elwaclaret
… though to be fair our understanding has come on leaps and bounds about why the Romans came here and how advanced of Rome the UK was in many areas
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:26 pm
by Bosscat
elwaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:23 pm
I remember the sketch, but not the particular reference. Quite amazing how many the Oxford graduates actually got wrong in that list.
"The Aquaduct"
“Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that’s true. Yeah.”
“And the sanitation.”
“Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like?”
“Yeah. All right. I’ll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.”
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:27 pm
by elwaclaret
Of of the UK’s biggest exports to Rome was duffle coats.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:41 pm
by Local cricketer
Dale Stephens
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:46 pm
by Bosscat
tiger76 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:31 pm
For those who bizarrely think we'd be better off without Sean Dyche at the helm, let me just list a few of his achievements.
Promotion in 2013/14 season with a sparse budget, and a small squad, also we'd sold our main striker Charlie Austin on the eve of the campaign.
Promotion again in 2015/16 season at the first time of asking, and to boot the Championship trophy, plus a 23 match unbeaten run to end the campaign in style.
93 points, and only 5 defeats in both those seasons.
We're now embarking on a 6th successive PL season.
2 top 10 PL finishes, including a 7th placed finish in the 17/18 campaign to secure European football for Burnley for the first time in over 50 years.
Famous wins at Anfield, Goodison, Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge & The Emirates to name just a few, venues where we hadn't tasted success in decades.
Enabled the club to embark on building the new training facility at Barnfield.
Turned the likes of Heaton, Ings, Keane, Pope Tarkowski & Trippier into England internationals.
Made vast profits on Gray, Heaton, Ings, Keane & Vokes amongst others.
Beaten Rovers 4 times in a row, with the other 3 ending in draws.
But evidently all of the above isn't deemed good enough by a small minority of entitled Burnley fans, who seem to think that we can compete on an equal footing with the mage rich clubs of the EPL.
Reality check we can't, however what we can do is remain at the top table, and slowly grow the club on and off the pitch, and our best chance of remaining a PL club is by keeping hold of our biggest asset in the manager. Is he perfect? No! of course he isn't, but if he was he wouldn't still be at Burnley, he'd have been snapped up by a bigger fish, but he's certainly been the best BFC manager in my lifetime, and we should enjoy him and this success well we can, because it may not last forever.
Cracking OP Tiger spot on with all your observations
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:59 pm
by Silkyskills1
ewanrob wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:39 pm
We should have won on Saturday, his tactics 2nd half we terrible....9 years and he still struugles to effect a game with his subs. Not taking anything away from what has gone before, but we have to beat our relegation rivals at home...end of.
Our subs bench now and for quite a while is nowhere near good enough to affect any game. Woefully weak and because it was 9 subs we were once again just making up the numbers. Where the blame lies is open for discussion, of course.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:03 pm
by bfcjg
Just glad there are more Nick Pope style signings than Drinkwater style signings.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:04 pm
by ClaretTony
ewanrob wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:39 pm
We should have won on Saturday, his tactics 2nd half we terrible....9 years and he still struugles to effect a game with his subs. Not taking anything away from what has gone before, but we have to beat our relegation rivals at home...end of.
9 years and struggling to affect a game with subs - where are we now then? League One? You are taking things away from what has gone before clearly with that statement. What I will say is clear is that he has no chance with some.
What did happen on Saturday is that one of the greatest managers this club has ever had, one who against all the odds has now kept us in the Premier League for a sixth successive season, received the sort of wonderful reception from the Burnley supporters that his achievements deserve.
And well done tiger76, brilliant opening post that gets it spot on.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:08 pm
by Woodleyclaret
I agree wholeheartedly tiger 76, but also agree Sean's use of subs is still his Achilles and that wants sorting out
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:08 pm
by IanMcL
Sean Dyche and Burnley are beneficial to each other.
A statue will be needed at some stage.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:12 pm
by joey13
elwaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:53 pm
What is sanitised?
Or were you trying to be a smart arse and picked the wrong big word?
Well done Biggus Dickus
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:25 pm
by Vegas Claret
it's a really difficult balance for everyone involved. He has MASSIVELY over achieved but we are at a point where the team needs a rebuild. Some would like the style of play to be better and more entertaining and some aren't bothered as long as we stay up. I personally prefer to watch a more entertaining brand of football but I'm also keenly aware that that is the trap both Blackburn and Stoke fell in to. The balance is very delicate
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:28 pm
by Peter Loo
Tiger you seem one of the sensible ones on here but I must say this thread that you have set up makes me wonder now
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:30 pm
by ClaretTony
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:25 pm
it's a really difficult balance for everyone involved. He has MASSIVELY over achieved but we are at a point where the team needs a rebuild. Some would like the style of play to be better and more entertaining and some aren't bothered as long as we stay up. I personally prefer to watch a more entertaining brand of football but I'm also keenly aware that that is the trap both Blackburn and Stoke fell in to. The balance is very delicate
I think Stoke's problem was bringing in players that didn't fit with the dressing room, players who didn't have the desired commitment. Blackburn's problem was employing an incompetent manager.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:38 pm
by boatshed bill
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:25 pm
it's a really difficult balance for everyone involved. He has MASSIVELY over achieved but we are at a point where the team needs a rebuild. Some would like the style of play to be better and more entertaining and some aren't bothered as long as we stay up. I personally prefer to watch a more entertaining brand of football but I'm also keenly aware that that is the trap both Blackburn and Stoke fell in to. The balance is very delicate
I actually think SD should go back to basics; get the two lines of four disciplined defensively first, then knock long balls up to two big strikers and feed on scraps.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:39 pm
by beddie
IanMcL wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:08 pm
Sean Dyche and Burnley are beneficial to each other.
A statue will be needed at some stage.
I respect your views IanMcl but I think a statue is going a little overboard. SD has done well but let’s not forget it’s still just a job in the grand scheme of things and one for which he’s being paid millions of pounds per year. The people/ person who created the Vaccine is IMO more deserving.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:45 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:38 pm
I actually think SD should go back to basics; get the two lines of four disciplined defensively first, then knock long balls up to two big strikers and feed on scraps.
We did this on Saturday after we went behind and it didn't get us anywhere plus it is horrible to watch, we need a plan b,c and d.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:51 pm
by Bigvince
Peter Loo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:28 pm
Tiger you seem one of the sensible ones on here but I must say this thread that you have set up makes me wonder now
Tiger has merely pointed out the long list of our managers achievements, and stated That he thinks Sean Dyche is the the most important spoke in the Burnley fc wheel, I agree with his sentiment, and am sure many other clarets share his views, the knee jerk reaction of some posters on this board is becoming poisonous, resulting in this message board becoming far less enjoyable than it should be. A prime example of this is the transfer thread being locked due to the constant bickering.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:01 pm
by boatshed bill
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:45 pm
We did this on Saturday after we went behind and it didn't get us anywhere plus it is horrible to watch, we need a plan b,c and d.
No, we didn't.
The defensive lines are all over the place compared to a few seasons ago, any team can walk (well run, actually) through them.
When was the last time our defensive shape was described as exemplary on the telly?
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:05 pm
by Clarets4me
ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:55 pm
Where's all that gone? A billion!
Mostly into the pockets of our Claret & Blue heroes !!
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:09 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:01 pm
No, we didn't.
The defensive lines are all over the place compared to a few seasons ago, any team can walk (well run, actually) through them.
When was the last time our defensive shape was described as exemplary on the telly?
I agree were trying to play on the floor more but we don't have the calibre of players to do it, we did end up hoofing it up to Barnes and Wood though out of desperation for the last 10-15 minutes. We desperately need better players in midfield.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:14 pm
by boatshed bill
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:09 pm
I agree were trying to play on the floor more but we don't have the calibre of players to do it, we did end up hoofing it up to Barnes and Wood though out of desperation for the last 10-15 minutes. We desperately need better players in midfield.
Agreed,
But we used to defend much better than we have recently.
We seem to have tried to play our way upfield with players who are not good enough, players who excelled when we kept everything tight.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:18 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
We need to replace Steven Defour, Jeff Hendrick and an in form Robbie Brady and Stephen Ward then we will start to climb the table.
At todays prices your looking at £200m, over to you Alan
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:21 pm
by Vegas Claret
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:30 pm
I think Stoke's problem was bringing in players that didn't fit with the dressing room, players who didn't have the desired commitment. Blackburn's problem was employing an incompetent manager.
both were on the back of fans moaning about style of play though, Hughes replaced Pullis and they forced Allardyce out at Ewood because they didn't have a clue - I personally thought the level of competency shown by Steve Kean was exceptional and one we should be eternally thankful for
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:24 pm
by ClaretTony
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:21 pm
both were on the back of fans moaning about style of play though, Hughes replaced Pullis and they forced Allardyce out at Ewood because they didn't have a clue - I personally thought the level of competency shown by Steve Kean was exceptional and one we should be eternally thankful for
Don't agree with that at all. Not sure there was any moaning at Stoke and there certainly wasn't down the road, it was the new owners being badly advised.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:27 pm
by ClaretTony
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:18 pm
We need to replace Steven Defour, Jeff Hendrick and an in form Robbie Brady and Stephen Ward then we will start to climb the table.
At todays prices your looking at £200m, over to you Alan
That's an interesting thought. Defour, for half a season, was magical, not sure how you replace that. I thought I was a lone voice bemoaning the loss of Hendrick but I think he's been badly missed. Brady had a little spell last season when he looked to be getting it back. Hope he does because a fit Brady (if it can happen) will be a good signing for someone. Finally Ward, outstanding for us, without a doubt, and better than we have now. Left at the right time though.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:36 pm
by Steve1956
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:27 pm
That's an interesting thought. Defour, for half a season, was magical, not sure how you replace that. I thought I was a lone voice bemoaning the loss of Hendrick but I think he's been badly missed. Brady had a little spell last season when he looked to be getting it back. Hope he does because a fit Brady (if it can happen) will be a good signing for someone. Finally Ward, outstanding for us, without a doubt, and better than we have now. Left at the right time though.
Nobody has grieved more on here about the loss of Hendrick than me,fantastic player for us,but the bellends will be on my case about this post in a flash telling me how shite he was.....one of Dyche's best signings.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:36 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:27 pm
That's an interesting thought. Defour, for half a season, was magical, not sure how you replace that. I thought I was a lone voice bemoaning the loss of Hendrick but I think he's been badly missed. Brady had a little spell last season when he looked to be getting it back. Hope he does because a fit Brady (if it can happen) will be a good signing for someone. Finally Ward, outstanding for us, without a doubt, and better than we have now. Left at the right time though.
Just thought if we ever want to get back into Europe (and it is not out of the question or impossible) then the cheque really needs to come out and in a big way for all the times we have made do with not buying in transfer windows. It really is go big or go home this season and next.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:38 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
Hendrick would be a starter on the right for me, never let us down and does the simple stuff very well, hes not a stand out player but he does the important stuff very well, he is miles ahead of Brownhill unfortunately.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:42 pm
by Vegas Claret
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:24 pm
Don't agree with that at all. Not sure there was any moaning at Stoke and there certainly wasn't down the road, it was the new owners being badly advised.
you remember it very differently to me and my Blackburn supporting mates who did nothing but criticize Allardyce for a good while before he got the boot.
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:43 pm
by Vegas Claret
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:38 pm
Hendrick would be a starter on the right for me, never let us down and does the simple stuff very well, hes not a stand out player but he does the important stuff very well, he is miles ahead of Brownhill unfortunately.
chipped in with important goals too
Re: What Sean Dyche has delivered in his nearly 9 year tenure
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:44 pm
by ClaretTony
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:36 pm
Just thought if we ever want to get back into Europe (and it is not out of the question or impossible) then the cheque really needs to come out and in a big way for all the times we have made do with not buying in transfer windows. It really is go big or go home this season and next.
Pace said this weekend that the rebuilding is a multi-window project. I agree with that as we try to recover from the tail end of Garlick. It means we have to include long term planning (signings such as Nathan Collins) but there also have to be stopgaps (which is one reason I thought Ashley Young would have been excellent).
What Pace has to do now, along with everyone else involved, is ensure this window takes us forward from where we were. Right now it hasn't really, other than one new, young central defender. I know there is some confidence in some of the young players but that's not an answer now. Hopefully we will make a couple of good signings before the window closes in just over a couple of weeks time.