Tammy Abraham...£34 mill...

Marney&Mee · Post by **Marney&Mee** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:27 pm

the world really has gone mad

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:36 pm

23 year old striker whose been on the fringes of the England team, scored nearly 50 league goals in two season in the Championship and a couple of seasons ago scored 15 Premier League goals in a season which is more than any Burnley player has ever scored in a single Premier League season

Id say the price seems in the right area for a player of his quality and potential

jackmiggins · Post by **jackmiggins** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:39 pm

Another case of agents forcing the fee? Again I would expect this is deleted!!!!!!!!!!!

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:43 pm

The fee looks about right. Watkins went for similar just after a decent championship season.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:44 pm

In today's market that's absolutely right. Dunno why anyone is surprised at that.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:06 pm

Stupid is as stupid does

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:10 pm

I wouldn’t pay that for him.

But then again, I’m not a Serie A club looking or looking to buy a striker.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:13 pm

This is a £34 Mill

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GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:47 pm

Good price, has shown he can score in the PL, just not wanted by the current manager.

Good decision to move to Italy and well done to him because it won't be easy over there with their racism issues.

Should score a decent amount.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:05 pm

Bagsman

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:18 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:36 pm
23 year old striker whose been on the fringes of the England team, scored nearly 50 league goals in two season in the Championship and a couple of seasons ago scored 15 Premier League goals in a season which is more than any Burnley player has ever scored in a single Premier League season

Id say the price seems in the right area for a player of his quality and potential

Only When your totally bought into the money no object for a player in the premiership, can you think 34m is reasonable

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:31 pm

Goalposts wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:18 pm
Only When your totally bought into the money no object for a player in the premiership, can you think 34m is reasonable

How much do you think Pope or McNeil are worth then?

If you view is that all players are over valued and thats theres far too much money in the game then fair enough but if we are accepting the football market as it is then £34m for a player of Abrahams quality and potential seems about right.

CFS · Post by **CFS** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:34 pm

Top player very good price for Roma.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:36 pm

Contract is a bit strange, Chelsea have insisted on a buy back clause at 68 million. Bizarre

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:05 pm

Very good price and signing for Roma. Got a feeling he will do well there.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:06 pm

Shocking money for him.

How much for Wood, who has decent figures over the last five years in the PL, certainly better than the cheese string…

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:08 pm

He should do well against the lesser teams. Problem he may have in the big games against the quality sides is that he misses lots of chances, therefore if he only gets a couple of chances a game which is likely in Italy he may struggle.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:10 pm

It's a big fee, but young English talent always goes for a premium, and in the present market £34m isn't that crazy.

He's shown at Chelsea that he can score goals when given the opportunity, and it's good to see another English player prepared to make the move overseas to get regular 1st team action.

Best of luck to Tammy in Italy.

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:43 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:31 pm
How much do you think Pope or McNeil are worth then?

If you view is that all players are over valued and thats theres far too much money in the game then fair enough but if we are accepting the football market as it is then £34m for a player of Abrahams quality and potential seems about right.

That is entirely my point, maybe was not succinct enough in establishing that , as i re read my post

Claret_tinted · Post by **Claret_tinted** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:55 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:47 pm
Good price, has shown he can score in the PL, just not wanted by the current manager.

Good decision to move to Italy and well done to him because it won't be easy over there with their racism issues.

Should score a decent amount.

He’s a cracking player, Chelsea refused more attractive deals from premier clubs. That tells you all you need to know about his quality!

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:02 pm

bobinho wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:06 pm
Shocking money for him.

How much for Wood, who has decent figures over the last five years in the PL, certainly better than the cheese string…

Wood hasn't got better figures, Abraham is younger with a higher ceiling and better all around game.

As for the ''cheese string'' comment on his hair, I'd suggest some black people would take that as a racist remark.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:02 pm

That is a lot of money for an Italian club to spend. We've seen what's happened at Inter through overspending.

Roma's highest ever fee.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:03 pm

ecc wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:02 pm
That is a lot of money for an Italian club to spend. We've seen what's happened at Inter through overspending.

Roma's highest ever fee.

Nothing to do with Inter overspending btw

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:20 pm

Good deal all round,
Tuchel didn't want Abraham but still got a really good fee,
Abraham gets a dream deal.
I think he'll do really well in Italy.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:21 pm

"Nothing to do with Inter overspending btw"

What do you mean?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:36 pm

ecc wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:21 pm
"Nothing to do with Inter overspending btw"

What do you mean?

The problems of Suning isn't anything to do with Inter overspending, they had a Chinese team too which won the CSL league title and then completely disbanded.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:54 pm

"In May, league champions Inter Milan took out a loan reportedly worth €275 million (US$327 million) with US-based Oaktree Capital Management to support the club’s finances"

Why did they do that?

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:00 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:36 pm
The problems of Suning isn't anything to do with Inter overspending, they had a Chinese team too which won the CSL league title and then completely disbanded.

Inter have both overspent and been severely impacted by Covid restrictions

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:09 pm

Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:00 pm
Inter have both overspent and been severely impacted by Covid restrictions

and irresponsible owners with financial issues of their own away from football.

bf2k · Post by **bf2k** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:46 am

jackmiggins wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:39 pm
Another case of agents forcing the fee? Again I would expect this is deleted!!!!!!!!!!!

Your expectations are a bit off.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:20 am

Had we paid that for him I'd think we'd done decent business.

CharlieinNewMexico · Post by **CharlieinNewMexico** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:15 am

Back to Abraham and not the finances. I think the Italian game will suit him more.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:12 pm

Gotten off to a good start, 2 assists and motm performance on his debut.
Standing ovation from the Roma fans as he left the pitch.

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:47 am

Good on Tammy. Hope this works out well for the lad. Never understand why he gets so much negative criticism. Wish ‘fans’ would look at the positives rather than try to always look for the negatives. Think he will be pushing for an England starting place at future international finals.

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:41 am

Very good striker - was at a club where if you're off it even for a short period of time, you're done, as Werner is finding out. Great move for him and agreed that I think Serie A will suit him better. Jose knows what he's doing. Fee is reasonable in terms of the market generally.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:44 am

Class yesterday on his debut. Big season ahead for him…

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:35 pm

Called up to the England squad after an impressive start to the season for Roma (4 goals, 2 assists). Good on him.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:32 pm

Wish we had him.

The Enclosure · Post by **The Enclosure** » Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:43 pm

Wish we had him.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:00 pm

I can’t believe people are saying it’s reasonable. The world seems to be going to hell on a handcart but football thinks players are worth tens of millions and are willing to pay them telephone number wages.
Those who the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.

JTClaret · Post by **JTClaret** » Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:46 pm

houseboy wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:00 pm
I can’t believe people are saying it’s reasonable. The world seems to be going to hell on a handcart but football thinks players are worth tens of millions and are willing to pay them telephone number wages.
Those who the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.

The alternative is to not compete. If the going rate for a young striker in the prem is £34m, that's what it is.
Say you don't feel he is worth it, by all means, if you don't think he is a decent enough player or his record doesn't stand up against others... but to say he isn't worth it is because footballers aren't worth that is possibly the most Burnley FC thing you could hear. It's 2021, and money in football is ridiculous. Nothing more to it.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:34 pm

JTClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:46 pm
The alternative is to not compete. If the going rate for a young striker in the prem is £34m, that's what it is.
Say you don't feel he is worth it, by all means, if you don't think he is a decent enough player or his record doesn't stand up against others... but to say he isn't worth it is because footballers aren't worth that is possibly the most Burnley FC thing you could hear. It's 2021, and money in football is ridiculous. Nothing more to it.

I think you have partially understood what I was getting at at least. The money in football IS ridiculous when one looks at the state of the world. But the only thing making clubs ‘compete’ is the sheer greed of agents, players and the clubs who buy players not because they need them but in many cases because they don’t want another club to have them. There are huge clubs with global support in eye watering debt because of ‘competing’ but those debts mean that somebody is owed money, and yet still these clubs are allowed to pay fees they can’t honestly afford and wages the same. Debt means someone is owed money but clubs still pay out these huge sums.
It is fine to say that the clubs can afford it because they can service their debt but that debt is still there. And the clubs that can afford it (those with no debt) just cause the inflation that others follow. I’m not talking about going rates here I’m talking about the almost immoral sums of money being bandied around and people accepting it as the norm.
I confess I don’t have a clue what you mean by ‘the most Burnley FC thing you could hear’. I’m not speaking from the point of view of a Claret or even a football fan, I’m speaking as a human being who thinks that no footballer on earth is worth some of the sums we see. Nor the wages. I see fans getting a hard on because their club has just spent stupid money on a player and use it as some badge of honour.
People are dying from disease, starvation and war. People even in this country can barely put food on the table or pay the rent. They are losing jobs and livelihoods. The planet is on the point of environmental catastrophe. But that is okay because my club has just paid 50 billion pounds for a half decent midfielder.
PS. If the going rate for a loaf of bread was £50 would that be ‘what it is’?

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:58 pm

houseboy wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:00 pm
I can’t believe people are saying it’s reasonable. The world seems to be going to hell on a handcart but football thinks players are worth tens of millions and are willing to pay them telephone number wages.
Those who the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.

It’s bonkers complete madness the money that’s involved, no logical understanding to what a careworker earns as an example & a footballer, I’d be in favour of a complete boycott with everything to drop the money to a reasonable sensible level no footballer should ever earn more than a doctor or a nurse.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:14 am

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:58 pm
It’s bonkers complete madness the money that’s involved, no logical understanding to what a careworker earns as an example & a footballer, I’d be in favour of a complete boycott with everything to drop the money to a reasonable sensible level no footballer should ever earn more than a doctor or a nurse.

The dumbest argument ever is the comparison between footballers wages and nurses/doctors. Go look at the figures paid each year to PL clubs for TV rights, go look at the number of people watching World Cup/UCL/Euro finals, Go look at the social media following numbers of the elite level players, I believe Ronaldo holds the most followers on Instagram in the entire world (352 MILLION people follow his account).

So the PL signed a £5bn TV rights deal but you believe the players don't deserve their cut of that? Why do you think the PL is a multi billion £ company? BECAUSE of the players involved.

Football the number 1 viewed sport worldwide, you don't believe the elite players deserve their cut of the money generated from the game?

Football is all about the players, if the standard in England was like it was in Scotland, the billion pound deals wouldn't get done.

Not to mention, clubs being bought by billionaires, you think these billionaires are stupid in business to be paying top players a top wage? They recognise the value the players bring not just on the pitch.

Ronaldo has 352 million people following his instagram, do you understand what kind of reach that is for sponsors/clubs? Why on earth would he be making the same wage as a doctor when he is generating OTHER brands 10000x what a Doctor makes?

If you believe Ronaldo should be paid a doctors wage while making Nike/ManU etc millions, then you're genuinely an idiot.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:15 am

Burnley bring in £130m a year income from the TV, you're stupid if you believe the players don't deserve a fair cut of that.

Burnley can sell Dwight Mcneil to another club for £25m+, but you believe he should be paid a Doctors salary?

He deserves to be paid what he's worth in the industry.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:33 am

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:14 am
The dumbest argument ever is the comparison between footballers wages and nurses/doctors. Go look at the figures paid each year to PL clubs for TV rights, go look at the number of people watching World Cup/UCL/Euro finals, Go look at the social media following numbers of the elite level players, I believe Ronaldo holds the most followers on Instagram in the entire world (352 MILLION people follow his account).

So the PL signed a £5bn TV rights deal but you believe the players don't deserve their cut of that? Why do you think the PL is a multi billion £ company? BECAUSE of the players involved.

Football the number 1 viewed sport worldwide, you don't believe the elite players deserve their cut of the money generated from the game?

Football is all about the players, if the standard in England was like it was in Scotland, the billion pound deals wouldn't get done.

Not to mention, clubs being bought by billionaires, you think these billionaires are stupid in business to be paying top players a top wage? They recognise the value the players bring not just on the pitch.

Ronaldo has 352 million people following his instagram, do you understand what kind of reach that is for sponsors/clubs? Why on earth would he be making the same wage as a doctor when he is generating OTHER brands 10000x what a Doctor makes?

If you believe Ronaldo should be paid a doctors wage while making Nike/ManU etc millions, then you're genuinely an idiot.

he's clearly talking about ethics and on that front he is a trillion percent correct. Also, you'll never win an argument by calling someone an idiot

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:33 am

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:14 am
The dumbest argument ever is the comparison between footballers wages and nurses/doctors. Go look at the figures paid each year to PL clubs for TV rights, go look at the number of people watching World Cup/UCL/Euro finals, Go look at the social media following numbers of the elite level players, I believe Ronaldo holds the most followers on Instagram in the entire world (352 MILLION people follow his account).

So the PL signed a £5bn TV rights deal but you believe the players don't deserve their cut of that? Why do you think the PL is a multi billion £ company? BECAUSE of the players involved.

Football the number 1 viewed sport worldwide, you don't believe the elite players deserve their cut of the money generated from the game?

Football is all about the players, if the standard in England was like it was in Scotland, the billion pound deals wouldn't get done.

Not to mention, clubs being bought by billionaires, you think these billionaires are stupid in business to be paying top players a top wage? They recognise the value the players bring not just on the pitch.

Ronaldo has 352 million people following his instagram, do you understand what kind of reach that is for sponsors/clubs? Why on earth would he be making the same wage as a doctor when he is generating OTHER brands 10000x what a Doctor makes?

If you believe Ronaldo should be paid a doctors wage while making Nike/ManU etc millions, then you're genuinely an idiot.

Doctors & nurses save life’s that’s far more important than football can ever be, it what it is because we’ve collectively allowed something to be that way by losing perspective.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:38 am

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:33 am
he's clearly talking about ethics and on that front he is a trillion percent correct. Also, you'll never win an argument by calling someone an idiot

What does ethics have to do with footballers pay? they're part of a gazillion £ sport, they are paid accordingly and inline with the revenue generated.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed Oct 06, 2021 7:58 am

Just say no

The Hung Juror · Post by **The Hung Juror** » Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:39 am

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:38 am
What does ethics have to do with footballers pay? they're part of a gazillion £ sport, they are paid accordingly and inline with the revenue generated.

As much as I feeling uncomfortable with that statement, KRBFC is correct. You cannot compare doctors and nurses pay with footballers, not least because we are part of the problem. We fuel those wages.

Who would pay £900 for a telephone? But if you want an iphone 13 pro, that's what you have to pay, because people are willing to pay that amount. Ask yourself should I really be buying that phone, or sending that money to help starving children in Africa.