On the training ground

I believe Mr Pace has them drilling for oil

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:23 pm

I believe Mr Pace has them drilling for oil

Shape, framework and hoof.
Rinse and repeat

Think it's clear for all to see theres no work on switching formation or tactics in game.

But it's been like that for a long time so either put up with it, or like many have chose, just stay away.

Really is hit and hope when it comes to attacking. Not sure we train attacking movement or have an attacking coach. Clueless when we get anywhere near the opposition 18yrd box.

We played today against a back 3 yet hardly got wide and stretched them, Lennon played mostly through the ******* middle and Lowton had his worst game ever in Burnley shirt, Relegation form all day

Lennon should never put a shirt on again,, not interested, and not good enough for league 1.

Barlickclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:57 pm

Lennon should never put a shirt on again,, not interested, and not good enough for league 1.

Yeah but he played well against Rochdale.....what do you mean he found his level !

Dyche does witty interviews, he is on current form an excuse making busted flush I really rate him but now it's so near rated.

Aclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:00 pm

Yeah but he played well against Rochdale.....what do you mean he found his level !

Yes exactly,, and so did a few more, Jay included

MACCA wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:28 pm

Shape, framework and hoof.
Rinse and repeat

Think it's clear for all to see theres no work on switching formation or tactics in game.

But it's been like that for a long time so either put up with it, or like many have chose, just stay away.

“Lines”

Barlickclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:57 pm

Lennon should never put a shirt on again,, not interested, and not good enough for league 1.

Is this post from 2019?
Suppose it doesnt really matter to be fair, wasnt good enough then, certainly isnt now.

Players look uninterested, shocking tactics once again.

I don’t think Pope practices kicking that’s for sure. Saying “his distribution isn’t the best” is almost a compliment, he can’t kick a ball full stop.

Last week at Leicester in the 2nd half when we were under the cosh Lowton had the ball and a chance for a long ball for Vydra to run onto, he broke the offside trap on halfway, but Lowton didn't play it first time.
5 minutes later again Lowton had chance to put a ball over for JBG to run on to who made the run and nothing.
Simple phases of play where both players should know what will happen quickly. This team have played together for years. It should be drilled into them so they do it instinctively.

The coaches at Burnley are shocking when it comes to going forward.

Why don't our full backs and wingers not spend hours every week practicing crossing the ball?

The goal kick midway through 2nd half that went straight out of play, from a professional keeper was one of the reasons why he will never be an England keeper.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:46 pm

Last week at Leicester in the 2nd half when we were under the cosh Lowton had the ball and a chance for a long ball for Vydra to run onto, he broke the offside trap on halfway, but Lowton didn't play it first time.
5 minutes later again Lowton had chance to put a ball over for JBG to run on to who made the run and nothing.
Simple phases of play where both players should know what will happen quickly. This team have played together for years. It should be drilled into them so they do it instinctively.

The coaches at Burnley are shocking when it comes to going forward.

Why don't our full backs and wingers not spend hours every week practicing crossing the ball?

I think it currently stands at two goals from open play in our last 10 games.

Feck all. Embarrassing

I’ve learnt in life as I’ve become a little older that the body just won’t do what it used to do, I think we have a few of those playing for us.

beddie wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:53 pm

I’ve learnt in life as I’ve become a little older that the body just won’t do what it used to do, I think we have a few of those playing for us.

Tell me about it beddie.

Struggling to think of one thing that we did today that would have surprised Norwich. It must be the same for most opposing managers most weeks. It’s beyond predictable.

Some should stay off this board on a Saturday after matches ... sit and give heads a wobble ... think about what went on in the match ... ponder all the variables

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:27 pm

Some should stay off this board on a Saturday after matches ... sit and give heads a wobble ... think about what went on in the match ... ponder all the variables

And once you've pondered which way the variables could/should/might have gone, then look al the quantifiable stats

Where we are in the league

An alarming, record breaking run without a win at home

How many goals we have scored from open play

Got to go, I feel a wobble coming on

And these budgie smugglers were fresh on tonight

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:27 pm

Some should stay off this board on a Saturday after matches ... sit and give heads a wobble ... think about what went on in the match ... ponder all the variables

And imagine rocking up thinking we should beat Norwich

Its a very good question. When did we last score from a direct free kick from close to the penalty area. Where were Rodriguez and Wood when aerial crosses coming in. How many chances did Taylor have of whipping in a cross and making it hard for them.

Queue up at Pendle Street chippy.

Some of us forget to do our Super Six and score nowt

We work on the details.

The next step will involve remembering to find them on a Saturday.

Things to improve-
Corners and free kicks - they have got worse this season
The crossing is awful - especially Taylor
No one can figure out how to play a wall pass
Gamesmanship - Top teams get decisions because they surround the ref for long periods after an incident- we are too naive.

Apologies if this comes across as happy clapping but there were a lot of moments today where we looked absolutely immense in th epassing side of the game and I was never really worried when they attacked despite the cap being out because Collins was greats as was Tarky as vice cap. The only thing we did wrong for me was went high in to the box rather pass it through

It still ponders me every time I see him on the touchline using his hand to hide behind when he talks to his staff.

What are you talking about? Some incredible tactic you’ve never used before that’ll shock the opponent into submission? Or the same old same old?

Even if it was something out of the blue, you’re about to play those tactics out in front of thousands in the ground and watching at home.

I get it when players do it after the final whistle when they are speaking to friends in the other team, personal stuff etc. But tactics during a game when you have no tactics. Eh?

ewanrob wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:12 pm

Players look uninterested, shocking tactics once again.

You're talking nonsense. Were you at the game ?

MACCA wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:28 pm

Shape, framework and hoof.
Rinse and repeat

Think it's clear for all to see theres no work on switching formation or tactics in game.

But it's been like that for a long time so either put up with it, or like many have chose, just stay away.

Logged in especially to like this post.

alf_resco wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:47 pm

Logged in especially to like this post.

It's true though.

You can probably count on 1 finger the amount of times weve made a tactical switch, or a change in formation in game to take the game away from the opposition.

We struggle to be reactive to the opposition when they change formation or tactics, we're even further away from actually being pro active.

A team with no wins came for a point against an “established”premier league side and comfortably got
one.
Great work with your 400 in charge Sean..toothless, spineless, and zero idea..

Agreed.
I posted a couple of weeks ago the question of how many times in Dyche's tenure have we won a game after being behind.
Apart from Villa last year, I'm struggling.
But you often see oppo managers make tactical/personnel changes to alter the course of a game.
I've said before, Dyche's game-plan works until we go behind because then, he and Woanie don't appear to have a clue.

alf_resco wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:47 pm

Logged in especially to like this post.

Oh

within 10 mins of the game kicking off Dyche absolutely screamed at Tarkowski to mix the play and not just hoof it, he wasn't a happy bunny.

Cornet will save us

Think I said word for word the title of this thread on the ground today. We just keep doing the same things time and time again. SD just seems utterly devoid of ideas.

To be fair its hardly been that long that we've had enough players to switch formation, and even now our squad isn't really set up for it. New formations take time to learn, game practice too. Its not something you can just switch too and magically expect it to work. If Dyche did that without time invested, and without match practice we'd literally fall apart...akin to when we tried swapping formation at Hull a couple of seasons back.

The real issue is little to do with formation, but instead our predictability. We need to mix our play more and stop pinging high, and usually deep crosses into the box because its very easy to defend time and time again. Our second move is to play balls into the channels, which is also very predictable. Essentially it means teams only have to figure out how to defend against two primary ways of playing, rather than various.

We need more runs to the byline, more cut backs, more passing it incisively through the middle, more through balls. We need better movement, especially by our strikers who (Vydra aside) stand still expecting the ball in the air, or played short, rather than behind the defender. Lastly we need more players in the box when we're playing attacking balls, we can't win anything if there's always just one or two.
We showed glimpses this season but we also revert back to the tried and test long ball stuff which is frankly awful to do against teams that play 3 centre halves.

By all means lets play route one stuff when we play against top teams, make their ball playing centre halves have a hard time in the air...but against teams we can beat and outplay we need to do a lot better.

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:38 am

Think I said word for word the title of this thread on the ground today. We just keep doing the same things time and time again. SD just seems utterly devoid of ideas.

God help us we've another 4 years of this football ZZZZzzz

Something we nearly never do is play through the lines. You rarely see a runner beyond the oppositions back line with a ball played forward between defenders. We play in front of the opposition and try to create dangerous situations in the box with crosses from deep. It's effective if your crosses are pinpoint and you have runners into the box that are lucky enough to pick up second balls. But if that doesn't happen, it looks pretty ropey. We don't always play like that but it definitely feels the norm to me.

I still find it hard to believe people were celebrating a Dyche contract extension.

We've played some good football this season for very little reward.
At the same time we've produced enough moments of dross.
We seem to be falling back into last seasons syndrome of losing our heads when we cross the half way line. When teams like Norwich sit back, we don't have the nous or the pace to break them down. It's all too predictable, and that just makes the oppositions job easier. Norwich knew what to expect, and were ready, even if we still should have won, we never looked capable of putting them to the sword.
We definitely need a plan B, but I would suggest we need to work a lot harder at plan A. We defend as a team, but just like the early part of last season we attack as individuals. We work the ball wide fine, but the quality of the crosses is really poor, then we don't have enough bodies in the middle to meet them anyway, so we lose out on the second ball, which should be our meat and drink.

We look a different unit with Vyds and Cornet on the pitch, and Brownhill is capable of joining them in playing the quick balls required to get round defences, but without 2 of the 3, we look pedestrian. It's not just about pace, it's about moving the ball quicker, making the runs earlier, running the angles to avoid the offside. We've shown, even without Max, that we can do it, but if we fall back into last seasons form we are relegation fodder.

djemba-djemba wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:10 am

I still find it hard to believe people were celebrating a Dyche contract extension.

I was in block 3 of the JHU (north stand) and a few fans were giving Dyche dogs abuse as he left the pitch, they were making it quite obvious they want him out. This resulted in a couple of fans shouting abuse back at them and for a moment it looked rather tense. Sean's new contract certainly seems to have split fans down the middle.

djemba-djemba wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:10 am

I still find it hard to believe people were celebrating a Dyche contract extension.

I was one of them who was really pleased with the contract extension given his significant achievements here. Fully deserved it in my view.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:47 am

I was one of them who was really pleased with the contract extension given his significant achievements here. Fully deserved it in my view.

Nothing that a couple of wins wouldn't put right. I've questioned his substitutions, and the timing of them this season, but to maintain us at this level for so long, with what he has had to work with, is still a miracle.
We weren't on it yesterday, but we were better than Leeds and blew it, better than Brighton and blew it, we were even better than Everton and blew it big style, we should have held on at Leicester. We've had a lot of things go against us, and nothing for us. With a little bit of good luck we could have been sat on 9pts today, would the Dyche out brigade be so vociferous then.
Fine margins.

Barlickclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:57 pm

Lennon should never put a shirt on again,, not interested, and not good enough for league 1.

You can call lennon all you like but one thing you can never accuse him of is not being interested

djemba-djemba wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:10 am

I still find it hard to believe people were celebrating a Dyche contract extension.

No fish in this river

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:46 pm

You're talking nonsense. Were you at the game ?

Indeed I was, that was most atrocious to watch. No movement off the ball, the amount of times Lowts loosing his rag at a throwing because the lack of any movement. Do you really think professional footballers enjoy putting that out there, they are playing there managers poor tactics. The amount of times Dwight had the ball and was going round in circles...no bloody outlet for him. And as for Wood, totally disinterested for me.

To many players not at it for me, a real worry.