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Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:57 pm
by NewClaret
Terrible up front after he came off.
Why Dyche didn’t play him for the first four games I’ll never know.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:58 pm
by kazza
NewClaret wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:57 pm
Terrible up front after he came off.
Why Dyche didn’t play him for the first four games I’ll never know.
Bizarre we went from a proven strikeforce of Wood & Vydra last season, to then have pre-season and he's dropped. So yeah, I agree, he should have started from the off. It's like Dyche has a spell of amnesia.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:01 pm
by taio
I've heard his fitness levels weren't where they needed to be when he returned in the summer. If that's the case then fair enough not starting him - Dyche and his staff will be informed by analytics that supporters obviously don't see.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:02 pm
by Taffy on the wing
taio wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:01 pm
I've heard his fitness levels weren't where they needed to be when he returned in the summer. If that's the case then fair enough not starting him - Dyche and his staff will be informed by analytics that supporters obviously don't see.
Stop being so reasonable.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:05 pm
by bfcjg
An unfit Vydra V a fit Barnes ? Come on get real it's because he needs the ball on the floor something that at the moment Dyche cannot get into his head.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:05 pm
by Buxtonclaret
taio wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:01 pm
I've heard his fitness levels weren't where they needed to be when he returned in the summer. If that's the case then fair enough not starting him - Dyche and his staff will be informed by analytics that supporters obviously don't see.
A decent post wasted on here after today.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:15 pm
by NewClaret
taio wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:01 pm
I've heard his fitness levels weren't where they needed to be when he returned in the summer. If that's the case then fair enough not starting him - Dyche and his staff will be informed by analytics that supporters obviously don't see.
Fair enough? But my questions would still be: how do you get match fit without playing matches? And would a part fit Vydra be better than a fully fit Barnes?
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:22 pm
by taio
NewClaret wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:15 pm
Fair enough? But my questions would still be: how do you get match fit without playing matches? And would a part fit Vydra be better than a fully fit Barnes?
I wasn't particularly referring to match fitness but fitness in general. But the way to deal with it is through training, under 23s and substitution appearances. Every club wrestles with this.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:36 pm
by beddie
I think they targeted Vydra today and we’re lucky to get away with it.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:55 pm
by PaintYorkClaretnBlue
NewClaret wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:57 pm
Terrible up front after he came off.
Why Dyche didn’t play him for the first four games I’ll never know.
How do you expect him to play when he’s come off???
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:57 pm
by burnleymik
Krul almost took his head off. Why didn't the ref stop the game for a potential head injury? he got absolutely walloped.
https://twitter.com/JamieMinnigh/status ... 1581908992
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:00 pm
by AlargeClaret
Playing it over long to JayRod vs 3 defenders was ridiculous
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:34 pm
by IanMcL
Because the referee was a cheating b'tard.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:39 pm
by kazza
Reminded me of the Leeds keeper taking out Ben Mee. We got naff all there as well.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:18 pm
by warksclaret
What was Vydra's injury-I know he got battered but he put real effort into his play, and we went downhill when JR came on
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:21 pm
by ClaretTony
taio wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:01 pm
I've heard his fitness levels weren't where they needed to be when he returned in the summer. If that's the case then fair enough not starting him - Dyche and his staff will be informed by analytics that supporters obviously don't see.
He was late back, had been on honeymoon and was way behind the others in terms of fitness, but some seem to have agendas and won't believe what the manager tells them when it suits. I still have my doubts about him because I don't think he'll score enough goals at this level but he was outstanding last week and was as good as anyone before he went off this afternoon.
Norwich were concerned about him with their slow defenders so they sorted him out I thought.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:30 pm
by beddie
I thought Norwich’s tactics were to go heavy on Vydra and early on they did exactly that. He got no protection from the inept Friend.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:56 pm
by Greeny
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:21 pm
He was late back, had been on honeymoon and was way behind the others in terms of fitness, but some seem to have agendas and won't believe what the manager tells them when it suits. I still have my doubts about him because I don't think he'll score enough goals at this level but he was outstanding last week and was as good as anyone before he went off this afternoon.
Norwich were concerned about him with their slow defenders so they sorted him out I thought.
A half fit Vydra is a vast improvement on Barnes. If we are being honest in many games a traffic cone would have been more useful than AB. At least the cone stays upright as opposed to AB falling all over the place. Vydra might not score loads of goals but being a proper footballer has the ability to get the best out of other players around him.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:47 pm
by Cheshireclaret
We didn’t look like stretching them at the back once Vydra came off really. Perhaps the strangest thing was that after Vydra came off, we continued to play balls into, erm, Vydra. But instead it was Jay.
Dyche adjusted that at half time but it didn’t last long and Neanderthal man had a fairly simple afternoon nodding long balls down and what the hell we were doing when we allowed Kabak to waltz the length of the pitch a la Son 2 seasons ago, is anyone’s guess.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:53 pm
by ElectroClaret
Just seen the peno shout for Vydra on MOTD.
Penalty100%
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:54 pm
by burnleymik
ElectroClaret wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:53 pm
Just seen the peno shout for Vydra on MOTD.
Penalty100%
Yep, even they were completely baffled. We were let down by officials, again. That was a huge game for us too.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:59 pm
by LoveCurryPies
How many has he scored so far this season?
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:27 am
by Vegas Claret
surprised how many headers Vydra wins, has to start every game, him and Cornet are the answer for us this season
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:29 am
by beddie
I’m amazed that Vydra managed to carry on for the short time that he did after the Kruel incident.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:33 am
by Steve-Harpers-perm
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:27 am
surprised how many headers Vydra wins, has to start every game, him and Cornet are the answer for us this season
The worry is we are going to be so reliant on these two starting the majority of games.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:22 am
by Quicknick
Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:33 am
The worry is we are going to be so reliant on these two starting the majority of games.
If they produce the stuff, what's the problem? All teams are reliant on pairs of good players.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:26 am
by Fretters
It's been asked above but I can't see an answer, does anyone know what his injury is?
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:34 am
by houseboy
taio wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:01 pm
I've heard his fitness levels weren't where they needed to be when he returned in the summer. If that's the case then fair enough not starting him - Dyche and his staff will be informed by analytics that supporters obviously don't see.
All the stats and analysis in the world don’t make Barnes a good alternative. So that kinda blows that argument apart. The actions on the pitch are the only proof needed.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:34 am
by taio
Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:33 am
The worry is we are going to be so reliant on these two starting the majority of games.
The same could be said about Pope, Tarkowski, Mee, NcNeil and Wood. The truth is our success is built on the team not a couple of individuals.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:35 am
by taio
houseboy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:34 am
All the stats and analysis in the world don’t make Barnes a good alternative. So that kinda blows that argument apart. The actions on the pitch are the only proof needed.
I'd have gone with Rodriguez instead of Barnes.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:36 am
by houseboy
LoveCurryPies wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:59 pm
How many has he scored so far this season?
He doesn’t need to. If he creates chances and gels with Wood, as he normally does, and his pace worries defences that’s good enough for me.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:00 am
by ClaretTony
Greeny wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:56 pm
A half fit Vydra is a vast improvement on Barnes. If we are being honest in many games a traffic cone would have been more useful than AB. At least the cone stays upright as opposed to AB falling all over the place. Vydra might not score loads of goals but being a proper footballer has the ability to get the best out of other players around him.
I'll take your word for that but Barnes looked good when he came on yesterday.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:18 am
by BurnleyPaul
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:00 am
I'll take your word for that but Barnes looked good when he came on yesterday.
I was just glad that Kevin Friend wasn’t being as card happy by the time Barnes came on….
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:20 am
by Silkyskills1
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:00 am
I'll take your word for that but Barnes looked good when he came on yesterday.
Mentioned that going home. Looked bright and controlled a couple of passes hit very hard at him extremely well. Wood very under par yesterday as he has most of the season. In fact, some players looked jaded; was there a 'virus/bug' at the club this week?
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:22 am
by BabylonClaret
beddie wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:36 pm
I think they targeted Vydra today and we’re lucky to get away with it.
This.
They also went I to histrionics after every challenge to make sure we got a lot of cards. 5 cards in a game that wasn't really dirty?
It was clear a tactic and Enemy fell for it.
I used to kind of like Norwich but right now I hope they go down beating Derby's record and fail to win a single game
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:49 am
by ClaretTony
Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:20 am
Mentioned that going home. Looked bright and controlled a couple of passes hit very hard at him extremely well. Wood very under par yesterday as he has most of the season. In fact, some players looked jaded; was there a 'virus/bug' at the club this week?
We've said that about Wood. I wonder if it is a lack of a close season because of the Olympics.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:51 am
by Rileybobs
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:49 am
We've said that about Wood. I wonder if it is a lack of a close season because of the Olympics.
Yep. He’s looked a bit wooden, no pun intended. We’ve seen this before from Wood though and he’s a different player when on his game and looking sharp, and we’ve got to hope that he rediscovers that.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:58 am
by LoveCurryPies
houseboy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:36 am
He doesn’t need to. If he creates chances and gels with Wood, as he normally does, and his pace worries defences that’s good enough for me.
It would help if he did score.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:30 pm
by burnleymik
It was a struggle for Vydra yesterday, but it always will be when we are trying long balls upto him constantly, especially against 3 big lumps like they had at the back. We saw the difference when Cornet was on in previous games and we were working it forward more, Vydra was far more comfortable in the game, especially as he gave Vestergaard a nightmare with the balls into his feet and his movement.
Norwich were set up to combat long balls and our set pieces and we didn't adapt or change our style to suit.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:36 pm
by Papabendi
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:21 pm
I don't think he'll score enough goals at this level .
You could say that about the rest, ex Wood.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:40 pm
by ClaretTony
Papabendi wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:36 pm
You could say that about the rest, ex Wood.
Over the recent period you definitely could, although Barnes & Jay Rod have done previously.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:53 pm
by Iloveyoubrady
Hope they get ranieri. Can’t see him keeping them up. Then we’ve got to do better than Newcastle and we’ll be alright. The longer they keep Bruce the better.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:39 pm
by chipbutty
Someone that p*ssed me off yesterday was the complete lack of empathy from Krull after assaulting Vydra.
There seemed to be no acknowledgement or apology from him at all.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:56 pm
by warksclaret
chipbutty wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:39 pm
Someone that p*ssed me off yesterday was the complete lack of empathy from Krull after assaulting Vydra.
There seemed to be no acknowledgement or apology from him at all.
I noticed it too.It was selfish and unsporting . A "so what attitude". Says a lot about him
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:59 pm
by RVclaret
Krul actually went over to Vydra to shout at him to get up, ridiculous.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:00 pm
by elwaclaret
warksclaret wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:56 pm
I noticed it too.It was selfish and unsporting . A "so what attitude". Says a lot about him
Think it points as evidence towards the implication made by many that Norwich set out to get Vydra out of the match.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:05 pm
by bobinho
burnleymik wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:30 pm
It was a struggle for Vydra yesterday, but it always will be when we are trying long balls upto him constantly, especially against 3 big lumps like they had at the back. We saw the difference when Cornet was on in previous games and we were working it forward more, Vydra was far more comfortable in the game, especially as he gave Vestergaard a nightmare with the balls into his feet and his movement.
Norwich were set up to combat long balls and our set pieces and we didn't adapt or change our style to suit.
Yep, quite frustrating really is our unwillingness to adapt to what is in front of us. We are absolutely rigid in every single game. How we start is pretty much how we finish. I get that we don't have the strength in depth to change drastically, but surely we can change the way we try to get the ball into the danger areas or even change to counter the oppositions offensive tactics?
Remember when we used to pump long balls up to Adrian Heath?
Re: Vydra
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:06 pm
by RalphCoatesComb
warksclaret wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:18 pm
What was Vydra's injury-I know he got battered but he put real effort into his play
Had that been a player from any other team in the Premier League, he'd have been rolling over like a spoilt child. Sean wants his troops tough and Vydra showed tough.
Re: Vydra
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:44 pm
by houseboy
LoveCurryPies wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:58 am
It would help if he did score.
True. But maybe the position that Hendryk used to play would be good as well. He is a fine player but just as he seems to be proving it SD decides to bring back Barnes.
Chris Wood
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 10:03 pm
by minnieclaret
Anybody else think he’s been affected by the Olympics and living in bubbles?
Just not at it currently. Don’t know if he is involved with NZ during this current internationals round but he needs some home time. A Ryan Giggs type international injury would be handy.