• lost, again

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:40 pm**

blimey.

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:41 pm**

Tottenham were close to evens to win the game too. Buying money.

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:44 pm**

At least it wasn't to the mighty Accy Stanley or Lincoln this time.

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:44 pm**

No points or prizes without goals. We desperately need to strengthen our forwards-been saying it for a year

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:44 pm**

It’s plainly obvious.

We need to create more.

Or we’re going down.

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:48 pm**

Create nowt and you will win nowt. 1 shot on target in 90 minutes tells you all you need to know.

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:48 pm**

No real surprise is it?

Burnley have not beaten a PL side in the EFL Cup over 90 minutes for 12 years.

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:49 pm**

Hmm. At times we threatened to look decent but let down with some sloppy passing and lack of confidence.

Jack looks lost at the moment. As does Jay. And both Barnes and Wood looked terrible when they came on.

We need a bit of luck to go our way. Grab 3 pts and get some self belief back.

But we need strengthening I midfield in Jan I we can. A CM and a RM please

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:50 pm**

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:41 pm
Tottenham were close to evens to win the game too. Buying money.

How much did you buy?

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:53 pm**

At least Barnes had a shot on target
More than can be said about Jay and Vyds who were on for 60 minutes
Vyds did not even manage a shot

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:54 pm**

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:49 pm
Hmm. At times we threatened to look decent but let down with some sloppy passing and lack of confidence.

Jack looks lost at the moment. As does Jay. And both Barnes and Wood looked terrible when they came on.

We need a bit of luck to go our way. Grab 3 pts and get some self belief back.

But we need strengthening I midfield in Jan I we can. A CM and a RM please

At last a sensible summary of the game, get that 1st win, and hopefully we'll be able to remain in touch come January.

However it's evident we need to bring in midfield replacements, my only worry is January might be too late if we don't string a few results together prior to Santa coming down the chimney.

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:56 pm**

Tall Paul wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:50 pm
How much did you buy?

3

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:56 pm**

Yeah we haven't played badly most games but we are clearly low on confidence. That's not like us and we need to shake it quick.

Sadly Garlicks fattening up for the sale left us with a lot to manage.

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:01 pm**

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:56 pm
Yeah we haven't played badly most games but we are clearly low on confidence. That's not like us and we need to shake it quick.

Sadly Garlicks fattening up for the sale left us with a lot to manage.

Aye...2 years of inertia cannot be put right in 1 transfer window

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:05 pm**

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:56 pm
Yeah we haven't played badly most games but we are clearly low on confidence. That's not like us and we need to shake it quick.

Sadly Garlicks fattening up for the sale left us with a lot to manage.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you here Babylon, I'm asking myself the following question as much as anyone else. How long do we keep trotting out the line that we haven't played too badly, or that it was fine margins against a good side? We can have all the fine margins in the world but until we start finding ourselves on the right side of those margins we're not going to win a game for love nor money. Personally, it isn't even the results, it's the lacklustre and god awful style we have a habit of serving up, not all the time, I admit, but still far too often.

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:12 pm**

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:56 pm
Yeah we haven't played badly most games but we are clearly low on confidence. That's not like us and we need to shake it quick.

Sadly Garlicks fattening up for the sale left us with a lot to manage.

Depressingly he has undone all his previous good work by his refusal to invest the money Dyche earned the club towards the end of his tenure

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:16 pm**

Would love to just see us come out and attack from the off on Saturday, all guns blazing......We won't though we'll let them have all the ball and just sit back and defend against a promoted team. That's nothing to do with transfers, everything to do with tactics. Just FFS have a go, the way things are going at home we surely can't do any worse and having a go might just get some atmosphere back

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:22 pm**

85 minutes it took to realise how average Spurs were. Like watching paint dry.

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:25 pm**

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:56 pm
Yeah we haven't played badly most games but we are clearly low on confidence. That's not like us and we need to shake it quick.

Sadly Garlicks fattening up for the sale left us with a lot to manage.

You say we have not played badly most games, but if you take our 9 PL games-how many efforts on target have we made in total, and how often have we made the opposition GK make a save. We sadly lack players who can change a game-we have seen it with Cornet in a few appearances. However Barnes, Vydra, Rodriguez and now Wood look nothing like game changers. I get the impression from SD that he thinks players like Barnes and JBG are are going to hit form . I am afraid SD and Woan are going to have to earn their corn and come up with a formula thats going to get us goals. The short term future is getting the most out of Cornet and McNeil, and to a lesser degree from Wood and Vydra. No point perservering with Rodriguez and Barnes-I can tel you now how they will play next game and the next 5 games after that

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:29 pm**

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:25 pm
You say we have not played badly most games, but if you take our 9 PL games-how many efforts on target have we made in total, and how often have we made the opposition GK make a save. We sadly lack players who can change a game-we have seen it with Cornet in a few appearances. However Barnes, Vydra, Rodriguez and now Wood look nothing like game changers. I get the impression from SD that he thinks players like Barnes and JBG are are going to hit form . I am afraid SD and Woan are going to have to earn their corn and come up with a formula thats going to get us goals. The short term future is getting the most out of Cornet and McNeil, and to a lesser degree from Wood and Vydra. No point perservering with Rodriguez and Barnes-I can tel you now how they will play next game and the next 5 games after that

We can’t just keep saying ‘we aren’t playing badly’ when we can’t win games or keep clean sheets. As you say too many players who simply can’t create anything.

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:52 pm**

I made a 2+ hour journey with a feeling that we could do this. So disappointing to see we weren’t fielding our strongest players. The only striker that currently scores sitting on the bench.

A rather predictable result and a 2 hour journey home. I wish I’d known we weren’t playing to win, I wouldn’t have bothered to come.

We really had a chance of a good cup run. We’ve blown it! Hugely disappointed.

Posted: **Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:59 pm**

LoveCurryPies wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:52 pm
I made a 2+ hour journey with a feeling that we could do this. So disappointing to see we weren’t fielding our strongest players. The only striker that currently scores sitting on the bench.

A rather predictable result and a 2 hour journey home. I wish I’d known we weren’t playing to win, I wouldn’t have bothered to come.

We really had a chance of a good cup run. We’ve blown it! Hugely disappointed.

Me too.

Although not sure there was a lack of effort tonight, just a lack of quality.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:01 am**

That was a good cup run. We finished 17th last year, so over-performed by getting to the last 16.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:10 am**

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:59 pm
Me too.

Although not sure there was a lack of effort tonight, just a lack of quality.

I’ve actually got a lot of confidence in our best players. McNeill was working hard all over the field....pair him with Cornet and magic can happen. Great to see Ben back.

Defensively we were fine. But no confidence up front.

Brentford will thrash us.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:12 am**

Dyche will be ‘quietly relieved’ that we are out of the cup distraction without any injuries.

Our main purpose - the battle for PL survival - continues on Saturday.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:14 am**

Dyche thought it was a good performance.
https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... e-cup-exit

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:21 am**

LoveCurryPies wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:10 am
I’ve actually got a lot of confidence in our best players. McNeill was working hard all over the field....pair him with Cornet and magic can happen. Great to see Ben back.

Defensively we were fine. But no confidence up front.

Brentford will thrash us.

Brentford won’t thrash us at all be very tight but I’m fancying us to win this at the weekend.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:35 am**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:14 am
Dyche thought it was a good performance.
https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... e-cup-exit

He’s never going to say any different.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:37 am**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:14 am
Dyche thought it was a good performance.
https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... e-cup-exit

Bit baffled with Dyche here. I didn't really once see Burnley try to "win" the game. I saw them try and get back into for the last ten minutes. The fans only really picked up when the team actually had a go at Spurs. We weren't unlucky as Pope made two worldy saves to keep us in it. Wasn't our first shot on target a deflected one from Barnes on the 84th minute? Not really a side going out to win the game.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:37 am**

Gp8419 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:21 am
Brentford won’t thrash us at all be very tight but I’m fancying us to win this at the weekend.

I hope you are right. They will be full of confidence having started their first Premier League season so well. I really want Burnley to do well....just feeling like we lost tonight’s match before we even walked into the pitch.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:43 am**

I spent a decade living in South London and watched Brentford most home games. It will be hard work on Saturday if their current team is even as good as they were then.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:58 am**

The football is just sooooooo bad and painful. I know Wood is deemed an elite striker on here for scoring 10 goals in the PL but for me, his all around game is nowhere near good enough.

I don't think it's all Dyche's fault, he's done incredibly well and he's clearly a good manager. If we were to go down this season, I wouldn't be against a total reset (manager included). It doesn't mean I want Dyche to go now.

I just think with a bunch of players out of contract, next season would be a good time to hit the reset button. The recruitment is so bland and unimaginative. The style of play and recruitment has drove fans away and kept them away. There's a dull meh cloud over this club atm. I haven't been so disengaged watching a Burnley game in a long long time.

I'd love to see a Bielsa type here, high energetic press, front foot stuff. He has transfer connections/knowledge worldwide, clearly a very talented coach to turn Championship journeymen into PL level ball players. Bielsa wouldn't sign Stephens, Lennon, Crouch types, he'd rather use kids from the academy (Shackleton, Summerville, Clarke) etc. I want to see a full Brazilian international winger like Raphina on our team, not more Robbie Bradys.

We have a good base once we rid the club of the deadwood out of contract players, it needs building on and it's not millions on each player. Dallas, Klich, Ayling, Cooper, Bamford are some of Leeds' most used players and they didn't cost much. Harrison was on loan for 2 years, I think they signed him permanently recently, head and shoulders a better younger player than JBG. You do not need heaps and heaps of cash to coach a side into playing confident front foot football, Coyle proved that on a shoestring.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:08 am**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:58 am
The football is just sooooooo bad and painful. I know Wood is deemed an elite striker on here for scoring 10 goals in the PL but for me, his all around game is nowhere near good enough.

I don't think it's all Dyche's fault, he's done incredibly well and he's clearly a good manager. If we were to go down this season, I wouldn't be against a total reset (manager included). It doesn't mean I want Dyche to go now.

I just think with a bunch of players out of contract, next season would be a good time to hit the reset button. The recruitment is so bland and unimaginative. The style of play and recruitment has drove fans away and kept them away. There's a dull meh cloud over this club atm. I haven't been so disengaged watching a Burnley game in a long long time.

I'd love to see a Bielsa type here, high energetic press, front foot stuff. He has transfer connections/knowledge worldwide, clearly a very talented coach to turn Championship journeymen into PL level ball players. Bielsa wouldn't sign Stephens, Lennon, Crouch types, he'd rather use kids from the academy (Shackleton, Summerville, Clarke) etc. I want to see a full Brazilian international winger like Raphina on our team, not more Robbie Bradys.

We have a good base once we rid the club of the deadwood out of contract players, it needs building on and it's not millions on each player. Dallas, Klich, Ayling, Cooper, Bamford are some of Leeds' most used players and they didn't cost much. Harrison was on loan for 2 years, I think they signed him permanently recently, head and shoulders a better younger player than JBG. You do not need heaps and heaps of cash to coach a side into playing confident front foot football, Coyle proved that on a shoestring.

I get the comments from others about JRod and Barnes, who are going downhill so rapidly it’s scary. But what has happened to Wood is baffling. He has not provided a single thing all season. Gets knocked off the ball so easily, hold up play zero, shots zero, runs zero, winning headers zero.

That cross from Cornet was a strikers dream. 90% of forwards I’ve played with from Burnley and Pendle League and up would have been “put it near post, thanks, diving header, bosh”.

What’s he even thinking at the moment it’s absolutely baffling.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:20 am**

Mrpotatohead wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:05 pm
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you here Babylon, I'm asking myself the following question as much as anyone else. How long do we keep trotting out the line that we haven't played too badly, or that it was fine margins against a good side? We can have all the fine margins in the world but until we start finding ourselves on the right side of those margins we're not going to win a game for love nor money.

He is saying word for word what Chris Wilder said before he got the boot, they lost most games by a goal, the wrong side of the margins, not taking their chances - the symmetry is incredible

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:54 am**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:58 am
The football is just sooooooo bad and painful. I know Wood is deemed an elite striker on here for scoring 10 goals in the PL but for me, his all around game is nowhere near good enough.

I don't think it's all Dyche's fault, he's done incredibly well and he's clearly a good manager. If we were to go down this season, I wouldn't be against a total reset (manager included). It doesn't mean I want Dyche to go now.

I just think with a bunch of players out of contract, next season would be a good time to hit the reset button. The recruitment is so bland and unimaginative. The style of play and recruitment has drove fans away and kept them away. There's a dull meh cloud over this club atm. I haven't been so disengaged watching a Burnley game in a long long time.

I'd love to see a Bielsa type here, high energetic press, front foot stuff. He has transfer connections/knowledge worldwide, clearly a very talented coach to turn Championship journeymen into PL level ball players. Bielsa wouldn't sign Stephens, Lennon, Crouch types, he'd rather use kids from the academy (Shackleton, Summerville, Clarke) etc. I want to see a full Brazilian international winger like Raphina on our team, not more Robbie Bradys.

We have a good base once we rid the club of the deadwood out of contract players, it needs building on and it's not millions on each player. Dallas, Klich, Ayling, Cooper, Bamford are some of Leeds' most used players and they didn't cost much. Harrison was on loan for 2 years, I think they signed him permanently recently, head and shoulders a better younger player than JBG. You do not need heaps and heaps of cash to coach a side into playing confident front foot football, Coyle proved that on a shoestring.

Hardly a good example to use Bielsa and Leeds as a good example when they are struggling at the moment.

Also, until Leeds and other sides you may quote manage to qualify for Europe on a small budget your argument can basically be dismissed out of hand.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:18 am**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:14 am
Dyche thought it was a good performance.
https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... e-cup-exit

Was working 3-11 shift last night so missed it. The bloke who works next door (where I used to work) passed me on his way to his 11-7 shift, watched the game as a neutral and said we played well. So I was surprised to read the player ratings and comments.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:05 am**

Spijed wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:54 am
Hardly a good example to use Bielsa and Leeds as a good example when they are struggling at the moment.

Also, until Leeds and other sides you may quote manage to qualify for Europe on a small budget your argument can basically be dismissed out of hand.

Still harping on to something that happened 4 years ago? I mean come on we won the cup in 1914. Bielsa has never done that

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:12 am**

Local cricketer wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:05 am
Still harping on to something that happened 4 years ago? I mean come on we won the cup in 1914. Bielsa has never done that

Why are Leeds struggling so far this season?

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:13 am**

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:18 am
Was working 3-11 shift last night so missed it. The bloke who works next door (where I used to work) passed me on his way to his 11-7 shift, watched the game as a neutral and said we played well. So I was surprised to read the player ratings and comments.

We defended fairly well and limited the number of chances Spurs had. 2 very good saves from Pope kept the scoreline at a single goal defeat. Further up the pitch it was the same old story. Unable to keep the ball, lose possession, ponderous, pedestrian and lacking any creative spark. Front 2 isolated and starved of any decent chances, hence it taking 84 minutes before we had a shot on target.

I would suggest your work neighbour was being generous in his assessment of our performance.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:14 am**

The biggest disappointment is that Spurs were pretty much as bad as us and a game that we could have won.

The only positives from the night were Collins and the fact there won't be a home draw in the midweek cup resulting in getting home after 1am again this season.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:03 am**

Not only are we losing……..but it’s bloody boring type of losing!! The fight in the team just seems to have evaporated….

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:12 am**

Just look at this nursery

Toys all over the floor...again.
A lot of nappies gonna need changing today.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:40 am**

Right - let’s get this in context.
We have played away Liverpool, Everton, Leicester Man City and Southampton - 2points
We have played at home Brighton ( who are 5th) Arsenal Leeds and Norwich - 2points

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen in our short Premier League tenure such a tough start - calm down folks.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:06 am**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:14 am
Dyche thought it was a good performance.
https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... e-cup-exit

And that really is the worrying thing.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:10 am**

fatboy47 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:12 am
Just look at this nursery Toys all over the floor...again.
A lot of nappies gonna need changing today.

So you are happy with what you are watching are you ?

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:38 am**

Flixton Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:40 am
Right - let’s get this in context.
We have played away Liverpool, Everton, Leicester Man City and Southampton - 2points
We have played at home Brighton ( who are 5th) Arsenal Leeds and Norwich - 2points

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen in our short Premier League tenure such a tough start - calm down folks.

You think that's a tough start. Arsenal were down with us when we played them. Leeds have won one game only. Everton conceded 5 against Watford, Norwich favourites to go down. Leicester letting in goals for fun. Man City and Liverpool are the only two really tough games.Southampton down with us. How well do you know the PL ??

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:43 am**

Spijed wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:12 am
Why are Leeds struggling so far this season?

They've had a few key injuries. Sheff Utd also had key injuries last season. The start of last season for us we suffered key injuries too, notably Ben Mee, and it was only when he returned that we started to look like getting results. If he had remained out all season I suspect we'd have been relegated.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:55 am**

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:38 am
You think that's a tough start. Arsenal were down with us when we played them. Leeds have won one game only. Everton conceded 5 against Watford, Norwich favourites to go down. Leicester letting in goals for fun. Man City and Liverpool are the only two really tough games.Southampton down with us. How well do you know the PL ??

Answering your last point first is ‘very well thank you based on my PL attendance record’

I think on that start we are probably 1 point away better and 1 /2!points less at home.

I believe we will win Saturday.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:07 am**

It's not the fact we lost - again, it's the dire, depressing, inevitability of the manner of defeat. Like many others, I've stopped going. I know exactly what's going to be served up week after week and I have better things to do with my time & money. I'm not "throwing my toys out of the pram" (fatboy47) I'm just weary of Dyche's selections and tactics and over-the-hill players. I think we all know what it'll be like on Saturday. Maybe we'll crush the newly-promoted Bees in a free-flowing, swashbuckling performance where our rampant attacking intent sees us bang 5 goals past a hapless, shell-shocked defence.
Or maybe not.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:10 am**

The lack of mobility and movement from all our 4 strikers last night was alarming. I sat in the Jimmy Mac upper and had a better view than my normal Cricketfield view. I watched closely at the front 2 (being an ex striker myself) and the first half in particular, jay and Vydra just stood there at times whilst the full backs or midfield has the ball. It’s no wonder we lump it and then lose it so many times. None of our strikers come deep, or play as a pair. , it’s almost like they are scared to have it. Very poor.

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