• Your starting eleven for Brentford

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:46 am**

Did anyone last night make it into your considerations?

Pope
Lowton Tarks Collins Taylor
Cornet Brownhill Cork Westwood McNeil
Vydra

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:52 am**

No Helm or Tucker?

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:03 am**

Pope
Collins Mee Tarky

Roberts Taylor

Brownhill Westwood McNeil

Cornet Vydra

5-3-2 without the ball, 3-5-2 with the ball. Two lads at wing back with bags of energy to get back and forward all day, Westwood and brownhill to be a shield to the CB three and McNeil to support the front two. Pace up front to get in behind to avoid a situation like against Norwich where we are allowing championship defenders to do the one thing they are good at and win headers.

Saying all that if we don’t play 4-4-2 and start with Wood up top I’ll show my backside to the Vatican.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:11 am**

Paddy1882 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:03 am
Pope
Collins Mee Tarky

Roberts Taylor

Brownhill Westwood McNeil

Cornet Vydra

5-3-2 without the ball, 3-5-2 with the ball. Two lads at wing back with bags of energy to get back and forward all day, Westwood and brownhill to be a shield to the CB three and McNeil to support the front two. Pace up front to get in behind to avoid a situation like against Norwich where we are allowing championship defenders to do the one thing they are good at and win headers.

Saying all that if we don’t play 4-4-2 and start with Wood up top I’ll show my backside to the Vatican.

This won’t happen but I think this is probably our best line up with the current squad. Our best players need to be on the pitch.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:18 am**

Actual team that will start
Pope
Lowton Mee Tarks Taylor
JBG Westwood Brownhill McNeil
Wood Cornet
Sean isn't a gambler and won't change despite the losses
My team
Pope
Collins Mee Tarks
Roberts Brownhill Pieters Taylor
McNeil Wood Cornet

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:19 am**

now it is Pieters turn to play in midfield

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:21 am**

Paddy1882 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:03 am
Pope
Collins Mee Tarky

Roberts Taylor

Brownhill Westwood McNeil

Cornet Vydra

5-3-2 without the ball, 3-5-2 with the ball. Two lads at wing back with bags of energy to get back and forward all day, Westwood and brownhill to be a shield to the CB three and McNeil to support the front two. Pace up front to get in behind to avoid a situation like against Norwich where we are allowing championship defenders to do the one thing they are good at and win headers.

Saying all that if we don’t play 4-4-2 and start with Wood up top I’ll show my backside to the Vatican.

We normally play 4-4-1-1 don’t we??

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:21 am**

Pope
Lowton Tarkowski Mee Taylor
McNeil Westwood Brownhill Cornet
Wood Vydra

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:25 am**

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:18 am
Actual team that will start
Pope
Lowton Mee Tarks Taylor
JBG Westwood Brownhill McNeil
Wood Cornet
Sean isn't a gambler and won't change despite the losses
My team
Pope
Collins Mee Tarks
Roberts Brownhill Pieters Taylor
McNeil Wood Cornet

Pieters centre mid? Unreal.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:28 am**

Erik is a good ball winner good in the air and decent distribution that's why he could play in cm.The alternative? Non tackling Jack

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:29 am**

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:28 am
Erik is a good ball winner good in the air and decent distribution that's why he could play in cm.The alternative? Non tackling Jack

Pope is good in the air shall we play him up front ?

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:31 am**

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:21 am
We normally play 4-4-1-1 don’t we??

Away from home you could say that I guess at home I’m fairly sure he’s at least started every game with 2 strikers.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:32 am**

Pope
Lowton Tarkowski Collins Mee Taylor
Cornet Brownhill Westwood McNeil
Wood

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:38 am**

Woodley, please stop putting players into positions they would be terrible at!

Please!

I think you'd have to play the team that took on Southampton, simply because we scored twice and came back from 2-1 down

It doesn't really matter which of our four strikers we play based on last night, they are all woefully out of form, so it makes no sense to play two of them

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:41 am**

Pope
Lowton/Roberts Tarks Mee Pieters
Collins
McNeil Brownhill Cornet
Wood Vydra

I know it ain't going to happen though.
if we stick 442 then swap Collins for Westwood

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:41 am**

Has to be same team as Southampton although I expect Mee to come back in for Collins.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:45 am**

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:41 am
Pope
Lowton/Roberts Tarks Mee Pieters
Collins
McNeil Brownhill Cornet
Wood Vydra

I know it ain't going to happen though.
if we stick 442 then swap Collins for Westwood

So that's Pieters and now Collins playing midfield

Anyone else? Pope, Norris?

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:49 am**

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:45 am
So that's Pieters and now Collins playing midfield

Anyone else? Pope, Norris?

Tbf, Pope did a great chest control and took the ball around Kane last night

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:52 am**

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:49 am
Tbf, Pope did a great chest control and took the ball around Kane last night

Yes, perhaps we can resurrect the sweeper keeper.

I miss Rene Higuita.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:52 am**

Pope

Lowton
Collins
Tarks
Taylor

Roberts
Westwood
Brownhill
McNeil

Vydra
Cornet

I know it seems a strange team, but please lets not start with either Barnes or Rodriguez and Wood to come off the bench. It might prevent this hopeful lobbing of balls up front. At least this team creates movement.I know its cruel to drop Ben but Collins has arguably been MOM in all the games he has deputised in. If Mee has not been double vaccined as a captain of a club struggling to stay in the PL, then sorry he deserves to be dropped.No time for sentiment. We need to get our best players starting

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:01 am**

The team for Brentford was picked at 5pm last Saturday.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:03 am**

Most likely something like:
Pope
Lowts Tarks Mee Taylor
JBG Westwood Brownhill McNeil
Cornet
Wood

If we’re lucky we might get Vydra instead of JBG. I ain’t complaining though, that’s probably our best team.
Come on, we can win this.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:17 am**

——————————————Pope
———————-Tarkowski Collins Mee
—Lowton—Westwood——Brownhill——Taylor
——————McNeil———Wood———Cornet

Might work, might not - time to try something different though.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:31 am**

Vydra and Cornet up top. I'm sick of seeing Wood being a passenger.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:37 am**

——————————————Pope
———————-Collins Tarky Mee
—Roberts—Westwood——Brownhill——Taylor
——————McNeil———Vydra———Cornet

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:38 am**

Pope
Roberts Tarkowski Mee Taylor
McNeil Westwood Brownhill Cornet
Wood Vydra

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:51 am**

Pope

Lowton Tarks Mee Taylor

Lennon Westwood Brownhill McNeil

Cornet

Vydra

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:59 am**

Why do so many people still want Wood to start? He's been anonymous all season and was the worst player on the field at Southampton and again against Spurs.

Pope

Lowton Tarks Mee Taylor

Gudmundson Westwood Brownhill McNeil

Cornet Vydra

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:07 am**

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:59 am
Why do so many people still want Wood to start? He's been anonymous all season and was the worst player on the field at Southampton and again against Spurs.

I don’t want him to start, but he will. And anyway, he was our best striker last night.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:10 am**

Iloveyoubrady wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:07 am
I don’t want him to start, but he will. And anyway, he was our best striker last night.

You must have watched a very different game to me. He missed another sitter from Cornet's cross.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:11 am**

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:10 am
You must have watched a very different game to me. He missed another sitter from Cornet's cross.

In fairness the whole world watches a different game to you

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:12 am**

Pope
Lowton Tarks Mee Pieters
McNeil Brownhill Westwood Cornet
Vydra Wood

I’m still convinced that Vydra and Wood are our best 2 forwards when they find their form, with Cornet in close support.

Westwood and Pieters must work hard to cover left midfield for Cornet when he is attacking. Not ideal but still our best offensive formation imo.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:19 am**

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:11 am
In fairness the whole world watches a different game to you

Clearly not. This is what CharlieinNewMexico said on the 'Lost again' thread.

I get the comments from others about JRod and Barnes, who are going downhill so rapidly it’s scary. But what has happened to Wood is baffling. He has not provided a single thing all season. Gets knocked off the ball so easily, hold up play zero, shots zero, runs zero, winning headers zero.

That cross from Cornet was a strikers dream. 90% of forwards I’ve played with from Burnley and Pendle League and up would have been “put it near post, thanks, diving header, bosh”.

What’s he even thinking at the moment it’s absolutely baffling.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:28 am**

.......................Pope
.........Collins - Tarks - Mee - Taylor
McNeil - Brownhill - Cork - Westy - Cornet
........................Wood

4-5-1 without the ball
4-3-3- with the ball, Mcneil & Cornet joining Wood & linking up

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:33 am**

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:45 am
So that's Pieters and now Collins playing midfield

Anyone else? Pope, Norris?

Pieters is replacing Taylor, where do you get I've put him in midfield!!!!

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:44 am**

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:45 am
So that's Pieters and now Collins playing midfield

Anyone else? Pope, Norris?

Playing Collins in front of the back 4 frees the fullbacks to push higher up the pitch, run the overlaps, without weakening the defence.
If Lowts goes forward Collins drops back into the back 4, Tarks covers Lowts at RB. If Pieters pushes forward, Collins drops back and Mee covers LB. It's a simple way to keep our shape, without leaving ourselves open for any counters. A midfield consisting of Cornet, McNeil and Brownhill, with Pieters or Lowts/Roberts running overlaps would be able to pass and move a lot quicker than the present midfield. If SD would only pick Vydra we'd have a pacy outlet to pass the ball to, rather than lump it aimlessly.
I'll say again, I think we have a good team within the squad, we've just never played it.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:07 pm**

Simple, got to find a way to play mcneil cornet vydra and Wood in the starting 11, just one thing makes it not that simple, dyche doesn't like vydra.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:16 pm**

alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:07 pm
Simple, got to find a way to play mcneil cornet vydra and Wood in the starting 11, just one thing makes it not that simple, dyche doesn't like vydra.

I do not get peoples obsession with Vydra, he literally never scores

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:38 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:16 pm

I do not get peoples obsession with Vydra, he literally never scores

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:46 am
Did anyone last night make it into your considerations?

Pope
Lowton Tarks Collins Taylor
Cornet Brownhill Cork Westwood McNeil
Vydra

Erm....

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:39 pm**

Pope
Roberts Collins Tarky Taylor
Cornet Cork Westy McNeil
Wood Vydra

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:43 pm**

For me the final position is between JBG and Vydra.

If Vydra plays, you play 4-4-2 with Cornet and McNeil wide. If JBG plays, you play McNeil as a 10 with a brief to interchange with Cornet(and even, on occasion, Brownhill) and help us make stuff happen.

Either way, the other striker is Wood, because in this sort of situation you have to back your best players. But around him we need to add a bit more depth and movement to our attacking play - especially against a team who will play 3 at the back like Norwich did, and be delighted to find two static strikers playing ahead of the ball and up against 2 of those 3 centre backs - as Norwich were.

Vydra givse us an angle by gettting outside the 3 centre backs, and McNeil gives us more quality on the ball, and the scope to get runners from deep, to disrupt the 3 centre backs.

Oh, and at the back I'd like to see Pieters instead of Taylor who seems a bit out of form, and Mee back in for his leadership. I think you probably go Westwood and Brownhill in midfield (with some reservations) given the question marks over Cork but on form its a question of who partners Brownhill and Westwood over Cork is not a straight forward choice.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:52 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:16 pm
I do not get peoples obsession with Vydra, he literally never scores

But he causes problems with his pace, even if he doesn't do anything else it's more than the other options. Wood needs decent balls put in from the wings, and Vydra needs quick balls played through the channels. Neither of them gets the service they require. The line up I proposed would be capable of feeding both what they need.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:53 pm**

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:38 pm
Erm....

Yes I have gone with him for the reason I’m going to implement him as a work horse. Not expecting him to do anything in front of goal.

I don’t get people claiming he’s our best striker that regularly happens on here

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:54 pm**

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:52 pm
But he causes problems with his pace, even if he doesn't do anything else it's more than the other options. Wood needs decent balls put in from the wings, and Vydra needs quick balls played through the channels. Neither of them gets the service they require. The line up I proposed would be capable of feeding both what they need.

I can appreciate that, my formation was solely built around freeing up Cornet to do the damage. I think he is our only genuine threat

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:55 pm**

Got to play Cornet upfront with Woods after his contrasting performances on the wing and upfront against Southampton. I like the idea of Peters in the centre of midfield and think that could be the change that sparks our season like when Mee moved from left back to centre half or when McNeil got his chance

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:11 pm**

ClaretAL wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:37 am
——————————————Pope
———————-Collins Tarky Mee
—Roberts—Westwood——Brownhill——Taylor
——————McNeil———Vydra———Cornet

This, but I would like to see McNeil playing just behind the front two

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:22 pm**

claretspice wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:43 pm
For me the final position is between JBG and Vydra.

If Vydra plays, you play 4-4-2 with Cornet and McNeil wide. If JBG plays, you play McNeil as a 10 with a brief to interchange with Cornet(and even, on occasion, Brownhill) and help us make stuff happen.

Either way, the other striker is Wood, because in this sort of situation you have to back your best players. But around him we need to add a bit more depth and movement to our attacking play - especially against a team who will play 3 at the back like Norwich did, and be delighted to find two static strikers playing ahead of the ball and up against 2 of those 3 centre backs - as Norwich were.

Vydra givse us an angle by gettting outside the 3 centre backs, and McNeil gives us more quality on the ball, and the scope to get runners from deep, to disrupt the 3 centre backs.

Oh, and at the back I'd like to see Pieters instead of Taylor who seems a bit out of form, and Mee back in for his leadership. I think you probably go Westwood and Brownhill in midfield (with some reservations) given the question marks over Cork but on form its a question of who partners Brownhill and Westwood over Cork is not a straight forward choice.

Pieters was absolutely rubbish last night and McNeil suffers every time he plays with him.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:38 pm**

ClaretAL wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:37 am
——————————————Pope
———————-Collins Tarky Mee
—Roberts—Westwood——Brownhill——Taylor
——————McNeil———Vydra———Cornet

This, it will never happen though.

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:44 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:16 pm
I do not get peoples obsession with Vydra, he literally never scores

He does at least stretch defenders and goal keepers. The only thing Barnes and Rodriguez are stretching are their Jock straps and them not by much

Posted: **Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:49 pm**

Pearcey wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:39 pm
Pope
Roberts Collins Tarky Taylor
Cornet Cork Westy McNeil
Wood Vydra

2 thing's wrong with this imo, although I do kind of like it, but the fact that tarkowski is a right sided cb it causes us a problem between him and Taylor, which we all saw Southampton exploited on Saturday and secondly the massive need for a more agile and creative central midfielder, Cork is past this level imo and Westwood I hope Is suffering from a lack of confidence as are a few other's, consequently team's are just walking through our non existent midfield which means the forwards are starved of any service from that area. Which brings me to say is 3-5-2 our best option right now

Pope
Collins tarkowski mee
Gudmundson brownhill westwood Cork mcneil
Vydra cornet

I've left Taylor out because he's one of those suffering a lack of confidence, and also wood for the same reason,
Which gives us very strong bench in every position bar cm which should be top priority in January so consequently we'd have to manufacture a change, but alas we have to start our best and most likely to score 11 players, we have to give the opposition something to think about ffs because what we're doing is just not working

Henessey
Bardsley Lowton Roberts Taylor pieters
Wood jrod Barnes

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