How does this bloke continue to be picked for England on merit ?

Can't get in a struggling Villa side at the minute. Every manager has their favourites.

Because he's a media pick as are most of Southgate's squad, nothing to do with actual ability just alleged ability.

He’s a complete liability

Beyond me how he's ever got near an England squad

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:55 pm

Because he's a media pick as are most of Southgate's squad, nothing to do with actual ability just alleged ability.

That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Try again.

On this season's form how does Harry Kane get picked

Because Gareth Southgate is a halfwit - answers most questions about England selections

I suppose you'd have to look at any others capable of taking his place on current form, if indeed there are any at present..

TBF to Gareth Mings has been decent for England when he's played, and on present form there's not an obvious centre back to take his place.

Are we still questioning Southgate's squad selections after he got us to a final etc?

Impressive.

They’ll win the two matches without conceding and the media will wet themselves but every time I see Maguire he is a liability and he’s never going to drop him.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:45 pm

Are we still questioning Southgate's squad selections after he got us to a final etc?

Impressive.

There are quite a few on here who will always be against him, no matter what.
WC semi and Euros final (which we almost won) and they still complain.

Between 1962 and 1982 we never actually qualified for a World Cup but no, GS has it easy apparently.
G Taylor failing to qualify for 1994 WC
Some pretty dismal performances at some of the tournaments we did manage to qualify for
Croatia knocking us out of the 2008 Euros at home was pretty bad as well.
Our "Golden generation" achieved nothing.

Some people don't rate him and never will, but spend their lives calling him from behind their keyboards, probably sat in their underpants while their mum makes their tea.

I see the usual numpties are posting about Southgate.

In reality who else would he pick? White or Tomori. There’s really not a lot in it. Mings has been great whenever he has played for England.

CaptainKirk wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:55 pm

There are quite a few on here who will always be against him, no matter what.
WC semi and Euros final (which we almost won) and they still complain.

Between 1962 and 1982 we never actually qualified for a World Cup but no, GS has it easy apparently.
G Taylor failing to qualify for 1994 WC
Some pretty dismal performances at some of the tournaments we did manage to qualify for
Croatia knocking us out of the 2008 Euros at home was pretty bad as well.
Our "Golden generation" achieved nothing.

Some people don't rate him and never will, but spend their lives calling him from behind their keyboards, probably sat in their underpants while their mum makes their tea.

People well within their rights to question Southgates tactics in the Euro final where after an early goal he resorted to the same ones employed in the failed WC semis .

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:01 pm

I see the usual numpties are posting about Southgate.

In reality who else would he pick? White or Tomori. There’s really not a lot in it. Mings has been great whenever he has played for England.

Don’t know whether to laugh or cry
“Great”- passes the ball occasionally square 5yards to his fellow centre back against mickey mouse opposition
Faced with any threat at any decent level he is exposed easily.

Put it this way
Who would you rather have Tarky or Mings -no contest

He’s picked Harry Maguire, who is in stinking form.

Mings is the least of our worries.

Longtimeclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:17 pm

Don’t know whether to laugh or cry
“Great”- passes the ball occasionally square 5yards to his fellow centre back against mickey mouse opposition
Faced with any threat at any decent level he is exposed easily.

Put it this way
Who would you rather have Tarky or Mings -no contest

Unfortunately, when selected Tarky didn't shine.

Longtimeclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:17 pm

Don’t know whether to laugh or cry
“Great”- passes the ball occasionally square 5yards to his fellow centre back against mickey mouse opposition
Faced with any threat at any decent level he is exposed easily.

Put it this way
Who would you rather have Tarky or Mings -no contest

There is very little between the two players. Mings probably edges it with his speed and passing ability.

Tarks is a great player in our system but regularly struggles when we lose our shape. I suspect he would be similar to Keane (he would be underwhelming if he moved to an open team).

CaptainKirk wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:55 pm

Some people don't rate him and never will, but spend their lives calling him from behind their keyboards, probably sat in their underpants while their mum makes their tea.

At least we wear underpants

He probably had a good game every time waist coat watched him.

I’m hoping Villa are one of the teams that save us from relegation so happy that they have dropped their captain. Fingers crossed he starts plotting against Smith and it takes the owners time to sack him

Because he’s well spoken and media savvy. That fact that he’s atrocious as an actual centre half doesn’t come into it.

CaptainKirk wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:55 pm

There are quite a few on here who will always be against him, no matter what.
WC semi and Euros final (which we almost won) and they still complain.

Between 1962 and 1982 we never actually qualified for a World Cup but no, GS has it easy apparently.
G Taylor failing to qualify for 1994 WC
Some pretty dismal performances at some of the tournaments we did manage to qualify for
Croatia knocking us out of the 2008 Euros at home was pretty bad as well.
Our "Golden generation" achieved nothing.

Some people don't rate him and never will, but spend their lives calling him from behind their keyboards, probably sat in their underpants while their mum makes their tea.

I think stating that "Between 1962 and 1982 we never actually qualified for a World Cup" is stretching the facts somewhat to suit the agenda.

In 1966 we qualified as hosts with a team which became world champions, so quite possibly that team would have qualified through the normal route if it had been neccessary.

In 1970 we qualified as holders again with a very good team which, again, in all probability would have won through a qualifying tournament if it had been neccessary.

As you allude to we didn't qualify for the 2 world cup finals of the 1970's but in 1981 we did qualify for the following year's finals by finishing runners up in our group.

Our "Golden generation" was the 1966 team and achieved the title of World Champions. However I do agree that there has been some dismal performances especially in the Euros.

You have to accept there is a shortage of seriously good and consistent centre halves. He is one of the better English centre halves out of a bad bunch

warksclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:21 pm

You have to accept there is a shortage of seriously good and consistent centre halves. He is one of the better English centre halves out of a bad bunch

If Mings was "right footed" do you feel that he would still be a regular member of the England squad?

I doubt in either of the next two England games it will matter who plays at CB.

Mings is more likely to score from a corner maybe,,,

Southgate always said he would pick players on form and not on reputation.

Can't knock his results but I'm not particularly keen on liars in general

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:28 am

Southgate always said he would pick players on form and not on reputation.

Can't knock his results but I'm not particularly keen on liars in general

He seems to pick them on their form for England. Just look at Pickford who fully justified that approach in the summer. Mings has never let England down and obviously integrates well with the group, something that Southgate puts a lot of value on and probably the main reason he's done so well.

Targetman wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:39 pm

If Mings was "right footed" do you feel that he would still be a regular member of the England squad?

What a strange question. That’s like asking do you think Mee gets into our starting eleven if he is right footed.

Fortunately he is left footed and currently England have a shortage of top quality LCBs. He is the best of the bunch and that is why he has been selected.

Who else would he pick? White and Tomori are probably next in line and they both play at RCB.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:54 am

What a strange question. That’s like asking do you think Mee gets into our starting eleven if he is right footed.

Fortunately he is left footed and currently England have a shortage of top quality LCBs. He is the best of the bunch and that is why he has been selected.

Who else would he pick? White and Tomori are probably next in line and they both play at RCB.

Maguire plays LCB for United and England so the whole left footed thing is a nonsense. Mings is a liability and rightly dropped by Villa (despite being captain!!). Tomori and White would have to adapt to playing LCB or Stones (with more experience) moves across.

He's a decent CB.
But I've said it several times, Ming's wouldn't get in our starting 11 any time Tarks or Ben were fit.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:32 am

Maguire plays LCB for United and England so the whole left footed thing is a nonsense. Mings is a liability and rightly dropped by Villa (despite being captain!!). Tomori and White would have to adapt to playing LCB or Stones (with more experience) moves across.

RV Mings is in the squad as the back up LCB so the point definitely stands.

He is not a liability at all. For England he has something like 9 clean sheets in his last 11 games.

The point is why bring in a player that would have to “adapt” when you have already got a successful CB in the squad.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:32 am

Maguire plays LCB for United and England so the whole left footed thing is a nonsense. Mings is a liability and rightly dropped by Villa (despite being captain!!). Tomori and White would have to adapt to playing LCB or Stones (with more experience) moves across.

Tell that to Targetman and not Newcastle93 because he was the one who brought up the left foot/ right foot question using it as an excuse for why Mings gets in the team

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:43 am

Tell that to Targetman and not Newcastle93 because he was the one who brought up the left foot/ right foot question using it as an excuse for why Mings gets in the team

It's not an excuse, it's the reason why he has become a regular in the England squad.

Targetman wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:53 am

It's not an excuse, it's the reason why he has become a regular in the England squad.

I agree I don’t think there is better LCB that could take his place in the squad.

Targetman wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:53 am

It's not an excuse, it's the reason why he has become a regular in the England squad.

Sorry, rather than excuse I should have said reason. I was really just pointing out to RVclaret it was you who put forward the notion of the left foot being important so his post was better directed at your.

Remember Gareth's masterstroke of playing Walker as a CB?

This why we have the likes of Mings there.

dougcollins wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:04 am

Remember Gareth's masterstroke of playing Walker as a CB?

This why we have the likes of Mings there.

It worked against Panama, what could go wrong?

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:54 am

What a strange question. That’s like asking do you think Mee gets into our starting eleven if he is right footed.

Fortunately he is left footed and currently England have a shortage of top quality LCBs. He is the best of the bunch and that is why he has been selected.

Who else would he pick? White and Tomori are probably next in line and they both play at RCB.

It's not a strange question at all. Mings has played for England simply because he is predominantly a left footed centre back, not because he is one of the best, current English centre backs.

When Southgate took over as England boss he said that he would select players who were on form for their club sides. He has left Nick Pope out of the squad saying that he wasn't playing his best and didn't think that he had fully recovered from his operation. Fair enough if that's his view.

Yet according to his manager at Villa, Mings is struggling with his form and Smith has decided to leave him out of the team. The Aston Villa manager doesn't feel that Mings currently warrants a place in his side which is currently struggling to even pick up a point.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 8:41 am

RV Mings is in the squad as the back up LCB so the point definitely stands.

He is not a liability at all. For England he has something like 9 clean sheets in his last 11 games.

The point is why bring in a player that would have to “adapt” when you have already got a successful CB in the squad.

Yeah agree that’s the reason Southgate selects him.

I think it’s daft though and there are better + more in form CB’s who could play LCB if required. There are countless right footed cb’s that play/have played for England as well as everywhere else in the world (Terry and Maguire first names that spring to mind while Spain dominated with Pique and Ramos).

White and/or Tomori should be being blooded into the team now as I’m pretty sure both could easily play at LCB if asked to against Albania and San Marino.

Targetman wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:16 am

It's not a strange question at all. Mings has played for England simply because he is predominantly a left footed centre back, not because he is one of the best, current English centre backs.

When Southgate took over as England boss he said that he would select players who were on form for their club sides. He has left Nick Pope out of the squad saying that he wasn't playing his best and didn't think that he had fully recovered from his operation. Fair enough if that's his view.

Yet according to his manager at Villa, Mings is struggling with his form and Smith has decided to leave him out of the team. The Aston Villa manager doesn't feel that Mings currently warrants a place in his side which is currently struggling to even pick up a point.

Target name a better LCB that could replace him? Mings is the second best LCB England have available to them.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:20 am

Target name a better LCB that could replace him? Mings is the second best LCB England have available to them.

If a LCB has to be left footed according to you then let’s drop Maguire and play Mings as first choice.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:22 am

If a LCB has to be left footed according to you then let’s drop Maguire and play Mings as first choice.

It’s not to do with if he is left footed? It’s to do with that’s his position. Name another LCB that could replace him?

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:25 am

It’s not to do with if he is left footed? It’s to do with that’s his position. Name another LCB that could replace him?

Tarkowski played LCB recently for us when Mee was out and did just fine. Most quality centre halves adapt to a minor change, the centre half role is the centre half role. Its not like asking a full back to play up front. Refer to my above post for examples.

If the criteria is picking someone left footed who plays left centre back then Dunk should be picked ahead of Mings.

As for Southgate's lie about only picking players in form and playing for their team then since Smith Rowe gets in this squad,

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:42 am

If the criteria is picking someone left footed who plays left centre back then Dunk should be picked ahead of Mings.

As for Southgate's lie about only picking players in form and playing for their team then since Smith Rowe gets in this squad,

To be fair out of the attacking options who do you drop for Smith Rowe? I agree he’s been great but who do you drop

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:39 am

Tarkowski played LCB recently for us when Mee was out and did just fine. Most quality centre halves adapt to a minor change, the centre half role is the centre half role. Its not like asking a full back to play up front. Refer to my above post for examples.

If it is so easy RV how come it very rarely happens.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:49 am

If it is so easy RV how come it very rarely happens.

In both categories the squad is selected of midfielders and forwards there are players who shouldn't have missed out on in this squad

Bowen at West Ham is another who should have been picked. None of Henderson, Grealish, Rashford or Saka have been better than those 2

Sometimes managers have to make tough decisions, sometimes you have managers who take the easy option, Hence why he felt the need to try and explain his lies yesterday.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:39 am

Tarkowski played LCB recently for us when Mee was out and did just fine. Most quality centre halves adapt to a minor change, the centre half role is the centre half role. Its not like asking a full back to play up front. Refer to my above post for examples.

Tarkowski is normally pretty average when he has to move to the left. I was surprised how well he did this time compared to usual.