Palace players were standing taunting the crowd in the JM lower after scoring. This is obviously not going to end well and I’m not making any excuses for the disgusting abuse returned by our fans. The referee needs to stop this happening in my view and managers/players take some responsibility now.

Hbclaret007 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:58 am

Palace players were standing taunting the crowd in the JM lower after scoring. This is obviously not going to end well and I’m not making any excuses for the disgusting abuse returned by our fans. The referee needs to stop this happening in my view and managers/players take some responsibility now.

Shall we stop players from being able to celebrate any goal? You know just in case they offend someone.

It’s football it’s all part of the atmosphere

Likewise if you are big enough to dish it out from the stands then when a player gives you a bit back they need to accept it

Players have every right to give a little back to the crowd who are abusing them. But Zaha overstepped the line when he was visibly offering a fan out and encouraging them to come onto the pitch to fight him. A stronger ref would have shown him a second yellow card and sent him marching.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:22 am

Players have every right to give a little back to the crowd who are abusing them. But Zaha overstepped the line when he was visibly offering a fan out and encouraging them to come onto the pitch to fight him. A stronger ref would have shown him a second yellow card and sent him marching.

No they don't nobody should abuse anybody & retaliating to it is just plain silly you don't correct 1 wrong with another wrong for justification.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:30 am

No they don't nobody should abuse anybody & retaliating to it is just plain silly you don't correct 1 wrong with another wrong for justification.

You don’t think a player should be able to cup an ear to the crowd after scoring?

Of course fans should be able to take it when players respond to getting some stick. The fact is that some just can't.

Andersen's reaction seemed way over the top though.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:31 am

You don’t think a player should be able to cup an ear to the crowd after scoring?

That's hardly anything I'm talking about effing & jeffing & mouthing off, it depends on the level.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:33 am

That's hardly anything I'm talking about effing & jeffing & mouthing off, it depends on the level.

We’re talking about different things then aren’t we.

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:32 am

Of course fans should be able to take it when players respond to getting some stick. The fact is that some just can't.

Andersen's reaction seemed way over the top though.

Always quite funny when a player is getting stick for whatever reason then gets his own back by scoring.
We’ve had it for and against plenty of times.

Why some nondescript centre back felt the need to do that is anyone’s guess.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:31 am

You don’t think a player should be able to cup an ear to the crowd after scoring?

I would agree cupping an ear or even a V sign, but to stand there for some time, inciting the crowd to come an have a go, is over the top IMO.

Hbclaret007 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:09 am

I would agree cupping an ear or even a V sign, but to stand there for some time, inciting the crowd to come an have a go, is over the top IMO.

I remember that pitch invader at Rovers taking on Westwood (the smallest player on the pitch) and getting completely owned

Dare I suggest that the average footballer is a proper unit compared to the average idiot fan who might try to do something about it, and they are perfectly safe?

Plus I think Zaha is a diver, and I give him stick for it, but he'll just as entitled to do what he did as well

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:12 am

I remember that pitch invader at Rovers taking on Westwood (the smallest player on the pitch) and getting completely owned

Dare I suggest that the average footballer is a proper unit compared to the average idiot fan who might try to do something about it, and they are perfectly safe?

Plus I think Zaha is a diver, and I give him stick for it, but he'll just as entitled to do what he did as well

Not sure he's entitled to do what he did, if he was enticing violence, its an offence.

Backofthenet wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:20 am

Not sure he's entitled to do what he did, if he was enticing violence, its an offence.

Thats not inciting violence though is it

Its posturing, just like the sad muppets who ran to the front of the stand (but no further, because they know they will be banned if they go on to the pitch) are posturing

It makes me shake my head sadly (in both cases)

wasnt Jayrod giving it some with the Chelsea players the other week?

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:23 am

Thats not inciting violence though is it

Its posturing, just like the sad muppets who ran to the front of the stand (but no further, because they know they will be banned if they go on to the pitch) are posturing

It makes me shake my head sadly (in both cases)

I was going off post 4......

Very lucky not to get a second yellow in my opinion.

Wasn't just a quick gesture either, it was for a sustained period of about 15 -20 seconds.

And the crowd were giving him stick, as once again, Zaha showed himself up to be a complete tool with his fracas with Tarky.

Nothing wrong with any player celebrating in front of the oppositions fans, whichever club. We do it as well.
All footballers get dogs abuse from the stands, when they get the chance to give a bit back, why not.
If you can't take it, you shouldn't dish it out, why anyone would get upset by it is beyond me.

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:45 am

Nothing wrong with any player celebrating in front of the oppositions fans, whichever club. We do it as well.
All footballers get dogs abuse from the stands, when they get the chance to give a bit back, why not.
If you can't take it, you shouldn't dish it out, why anyone would get upset by it is beyond me.

No problem with that
Inviting fans onto the pitch to fight is completely different

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:22 am

Players have every right to give a little back to the crowd who are abusing them. But Zaha overstepped the line when he was visibly offering a fan out and encouraging them to come onto the pitch to fight him. A stronger ref would have shown him a second yellow card and sent him marching.

I mentioned this on another thread. Zaha repeatedly gave the "Come on then" gesture with his hands and the referee just stood and watched him. Zaha should have received a second yellow at least and maybe a straight red. Really bad from the officials who quite clearly saw him.

No wonder that crowd trouble seems to be making a return.

Gordaleman wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:48 am

I mentioned this on another thread. Zaha repeatedly gave the "Come on then" gesture with his hands and the referee just stood and watched him. Zaha should have received a second yellow at least and maybe a straight red. Really bad from the officials who quite clearly saw him.

No wonder that crowd trouble seems to be making a return.

Zaha is a very good player, makes you wonder what he is paid at Palace to keep him there but he is also a nasty piece of work. Displayed much of his repertoire on Saturday, so much so that his diving was overlooked. Add to that the most incompetent of officials and there was a recipe for something that ought to be reviewed. Still, the next incumbent of Old Trafford's hotseat means that is not even a consideration.

Gordaleman wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:48 am

I mentioned this on another thread. Zaha repeatedly gave the "Come on then" gesture with his hands and the referee just stood and watched him. Zaha should have received a second yellow at least and maybe a straight red. Really bad from the officials who quite clearly saw him.

No wonder that crowd trouble seems to be making a return.

Excusing crowd trouble by blaming it on a player?

The players can do what they like when there’s no capable officials

Wasn't it Lonergan who flicked the V's at TM once?
Maybe during that 4-3 win of ours when Chris Iwelumo had a great game

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:23 am

Wasn't it Lonergan who flicked the V's at TM once?
Maybe during that 4-3 win of ours when Chris Iwelumo had a great game

It was. Great entertainment.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:13 am

Excusing crowd trouble by blaming it on a player?

As just mentioned Zaha is in the lowest echelons when it comes to behaviour on the pitch. He knew and knows exactly what he is doing. If a player persists in fouling and constantly gets away with it it understandably stirs the crowd. Zaha's behaviour is no less inflammatory but again incompetent officials, who can't even see when a ball has crossed a line for a throw-in are never going to deal with matters way beyond their ability.

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:25 am

As just mentioned Zaha is in the lowest echelons when it comes to behaviour on the pitch. He knew and knows exactly what he is doing. If a player persists in fouling and constantly gets away with it it understandably stirs the crowd. Zaha's behaviour is no less inflammatory but again incompetent officials, who can't even see when a ball has crossed a line for a throw-in are never going to deal with matters way beyond their ability.

So, excusing crowd trouble on a player?

If Zaha had offered me out, I’d have just shouted back “I work in quite often in London, I’ll look you up”

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:34 am

If Zaha had offered me out, I’d have just shouted back “I work in quite often in London, I’ll look you up” and watch him **** himself.

As has already been discussed, he's bigger, stronger and fitter than 99.9% of your average football fan

Lets save the cartoon bravado for shouting at him from behind a barrier or a steward eh?

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:36 am

As has already been discussed, he's bigger, stronger and fitter than 99.9% of your average football fan

Lets save the cartoon bravado for shouting at him from behind a barrier or a steward eh?

They don't grow muscle on their chin. Wallop.








Only messing.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:36 am

As has already been discussed, he's bigger, stronger and fitter than 99.9% of your average football fan

Lets save the cartoon bravado for shouting at him from behind a barrier or a steward eh?

Not saying I shout at players, well I do but it’s usually ours and I would like to think I have never shouted anything that would justify abuse. For those that do I expect they would like a reply to nonsense as offering them out on the pitch… you threaten me during my off time I’ll threaten you back on you off time, when the rules aren’t stacked for your benefit… in this instance (if it occurred) Zaha is the one threatening from a position of safety. It’s all nonsense and doesn’t bother me in reality, as I’m already too upset after conceding to care how other players celebrate.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:30 am

So, excusing crowd trouble on a player?

I see what you are doing. Very good. You know perfectly well the point I'm attempting to make but seem hell bent on a stubborn stance.Let players behave in any way they choose then, managers too and see where that takes us. It's been drummed into them for years that players and managers have a huge responsibility on a sports field but is regularly ignored by those who think it doesn't apply to them.

Rules work both ways. Fans stay off the pitch, players stay on it for me.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:30 am

So, excusing crowd trouble on a player?

Excusing the players behaviour? Seems you have blinkers on

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:46 am

I see what you are doing. Very good. You know perfectly well the point I'm attempting to make but seem hell bent on a stubborn stance.Let players behave in any way they choose then, managers too and see where that takes us. It's been drummed into them for years that players and managers have a huge responsibility on a sports field but is regularly ignored by those who think it doesn't apply to them.

Genuinely mate, I don't get how you can blame a player for the behaviour of supporters

Its up to us not to rise to a player being a knob

Essentially I'm seeing your argument as the basis for a defence of crowd trouble, and it isn't a defence under any circumstances

Look if the crowd abuses a player sure it gets under his skin and just can't wait to rib the crowd back again , you only have to look at Vardy as he seems to win this more times then we do .

Feel like I'm in a court of law not a message board. Pointless continuing. Have a good day.

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:22 pm

Feel like I'm in a court of law not a message board. Pointless continuing. Have a good day.

That because its not a defence under any circumstances, and the fan who runs on to the pitch to attack Zaha will blame Zaha for it, rather than his own inability to deal with it

When players give it the big one in front of me, they might get a "f**k off", the v's or outright laughter

Anymore than that is just so wrong its not even worth considering

And have a good day as well!

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:34 am

If Zaha had offered me out, I’d have just shouted back “I work in quite often in London, I’ll look you up”

You’re hard

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:23 am

Wasn't it Lonergan who flicked the V's at TM once?
Maybe during that 4-3 win of ours when Chris Iwelumo had a great game

He was led in the back of the net with the V signs up I think

If Zaha was offering someone out on the pitch, and I'm sure those who witnessed it are telling the truth, then who was he offering out, and what had they said/done to him, to encourage it. I don't believe even he would be inspired to offer someone sat there watching the game a punch up at random.

If he had recieved a punishment for it, it would have been a victory for the crowd, and that just isn't right, as much as I dislike Zaha. Why we expect to hold professional footballers to a higher standard than ourselves is ridiculous.

Zaha gets a load of stick from us (and that is (I hope) because he is a blatant diver AND we know it affects his game)

He's perfectly entitled to give it back, and if he wants to offer out the entire stadium, then fair play to him

But again, he should be pointed at and laughed at, and the people running to the front of the stand to have a go should be pointed out and laughed at as well

Backofthenet wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:02 pm

Excusing the players behaviour? Seems you have blinkers on

It wouldn't be the first time...

this nonsense of ear cupping is unnecessary and embarrassing.

I remember Andre Gray scoring our second then cupping his ears at us in the away end.. must be a bait-the-crowd thing when we're playing Palace

It's only my personal opinion, and it stems from a wish to build on whatever remnants of uniqueness we may still possess..

I'd love to see the front few rows all round the ground packed with the kind of shaven-headed, gap-toothed, baying-for-blood, anger-ridden, muscular tattooed and moderately drunk 30 something males.
And I'd have them so close to the pitch that the lino could smell their BO and the beer fumes.
Even if we have to hire them from the Turf Hotel and the Prinny.
Instead we have rows of empty seats and handfuls of solicitors, teachers, social workers and their kids.
Zaha ain't gonna worry about winding them up, not one bit.

Backofthenet wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:02 pm

Excusing the players behaviour? Seems you have blinkers on

The high horse on which he permanently sits has an identical pair. .....

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:44 pm

Zaha gets a load of stick from us (and that is (I hope) because he is a blatant diver AND we know it affects his game)

He's perfectly entitled to give it back, and if he wants to offer out the entire stadium, then fair play to him

But again, he should be pointed at and laughed at, and the people running to the front of the stand to have a go should be pointed out and laughed at as well

You still haven't commented on the real issue... Zaha gesticulating to people to join him on the pitch, for a fight

Right or wrong?

Backofthenet wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:17 pm

You still haven't commented on the real issue... Zaha gesticulating to people to join him on the pitch, for a fight

Right or wrong?

How is that not commenting on it?

I've even said "Zaha should be pointed and laughed at for trying to offer out the entire ground"!

Pretty much all my posts comment on it as well

Next time you get all annoyed about it, point at him and laugh

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:13 am

Excusing crowd trouble by blaming it on a player?

Tell me where I 'Excused' crowd trouble? I didn't. But if you provoke it, it's not surprising if the knuckleheads react.