• Smoke Bomb at Newcastle

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:18 pm**

Many thanks to the NUFC officials who immediately and efficiently extinguished the smoke bomb which landed at my feet in the second half at Newcastle, presumably thrown by a moronic Burnley fan. Apart from inhaling acrid smoke for a few seconds, I was not harmed but the situation could have been much worse if the bomb had landed in the crowd just in front of me.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:08 pm**

Yes idiotic behaviour, there was quite a lot of it about yesterday afternoon.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:28 pm**

Will only get worse if the laws change to allow drinking alcohol in your seat

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:30 pm**

Vintage Claret wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:28 pm
Will only get worse if the laws change to allow drinking alcohol in your seat

You have a point. But from what I’ve seen this season it’s drugged up young men who are causing the problems.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:32 pm**

I had a mate that got a fire arms charge for having smoke bombs at a football match about 10-12 years ago, can’t work in schools now.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:43 pm**

Coke heads having “fun” no doubt.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:54 pm**

How big are these bombs are they not detectable at the turnstile searches?

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:02 pm**

Peter Loo wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:54 pm
How big are these bombs are they not detectable at the turnstile searches?

Apparently you hide them up your bottom. Sometimes with interesting and embarrassing results.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:03 pm**

Corky wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:02 pm
Apparently you hide them up your bottom. Sometimes with interesting and embarrassing results.

No seriously?

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:06 pm**

My other half was telling me Fleetwood fans were out of the ground 15 minutes from the final whistle attacking random passers by in Accrington… it seems the dark days are returning across football.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:31 pm**

Peter Loo wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:54 pm
How big are these bombs are they not detectable at the turnstile searches?

Same size as a small fire work

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:34 pm**

Didn't they have smoke bomb detectors at the new Spurs grounds when I went in before our 5-0 debacle or were they to detect something else?

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:35 pm**

MT03ALG wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:18 pm
Many thanks to the NUFC officials who immediately and efficiently extinguished the smoke bomb which landed at my feet in the second half at Newcastle, presumably thrown by a moronic Burnley fan. Apart from inhaling acrid smoke for a few seconds, I was not harmed but the situation could have been much worse if the bomb had landed in the crowd just in front of me.

If you are the guy in row c, my son and I were stood next to you and left as soon as this happened. Absolutely unbelievable. We’ve been to plenty of away games this season but yesterday there seemed to be an undercurrent of too mech drink or maybe worse. In front of us was a man with his two young sons. I hope they didn’t realise what had happened. What’s wrong with these people?

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:38 pm**

Amazed that "these people" are not sorted out at the turnstiles before they are allowed in.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:42 pm**

Cabbage wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:35 pm
If you are the guy in row c, my son and I were stood next to you and left as soon as this happened. Absolutely unbelievable. We’ve been to plenty of away games this season but yesterday there seemed to be an undercurrent of too mech drink or maybe worse. In front of us was a man with his two young sons. I hope they didn’t realise what had happened. What’s wrong with these people?

Newcastle away will always attract plenty who are mainly there for a day on the booze. Was a couple of Burnley fans fighting with each other on the concourse at HT.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:00 pm**

Cricket field stand is full of morons, I really dont know what the answer is.
Maybe Covid has affected these young people to cause them to behave like this.Pretty worrying to be honest.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:25 pm**

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:42 pm
Newcastle away will always attract plenty who are mainly there for a day on the booze. Was a couple of Burnley fans fighting with each other on the concourse at HT.

Probably the same bunch that were queuing for the traps in the gents at halftime and joking that people needed to hurry up cos they had lines of coke to consume. Still, those using the sinks as urinals and smoking their death rods in the bogs found the halfwits funny.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:04 pm**

Cheshireclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:25 pm
Probably the same bunch that were queuing for the traps in the gents at halftime and joking that people needed to hurry up cos they had lines of coke to consume. Still, those using the sinks as urinals and smoking their death rods in the bogs found the halfwits funny.

They were there during the first half too, never mind half time. Why bother going all that way just to get off your face? Plenty of police on the concourse, why don’t they check what’s going on? Which rock do they crawl out from under?

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:26 pm**

Don't they have dogs that are supposed to detect flares / smoke bombs at the turnstiles.Pretty sure we keep advertising a spaniel that attends the Turf regularly.

I'm sure if they can train them to detect cash/ drugs/ guns/ explosives etc, fireworks and other pyro stuff shouldn't be an issue.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:34 pm**

Vintage Claret wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:28 pm
Will only get worse if the laws change to allow drinking alcohol in your seat

Not really if you're having a pint and a flare lands near you,simply pour pint onto flare and hey presto calm restored, there might be an argument to say every other person on a row should be drinking as a fire precaution.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:34 pm**

The sniffer dog was there yesterday, just before the search area at the turnstiles. Obviously needs to try harder going forward.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:35 pm**

One of the big reasons I stopped going on this year was the amount of dickheads seems to have increased massively, and there’s always been a decent amount.

Wouldn’t dream of taking my young kids to a game now.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:49 pm**

Tells you all you need to know about a society, when the Speaker of the House is having to threaten sniffer dog patrols of Parliament for the amount of Coke residue being left in the toilets… only 12 in the whole place were found clear.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:50 pm**

claret2018 wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 6:35 pm
One of the big reasons I stopped going on this year was the amount of dickheads seems to have increased massively, and there’s always been a decent amount.

Wouldn’t dream of taking my young kids to a game now.

There were a few coked up ****** up dickheads at Wolves. So annoying when they pitch up near you. At Wolves 6 of them were occupying an area with only 3 seats. They weren’t their seats, however the people who had tickets for those seats simply gave up and moved elsewhere.
My daughter asked me if I would get tickets for Villa, however after experiencing the behaviour of lots of dickheads a couple of seasons ago I fear it will be the same again on the 18th of December so I will swerve this one.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:51 pm**

I had the misfortune to be in the immediate vicinity and downwind of yesterday's effort and wasn't impressed tbh, especially as it was lit to celebrate a goal that never was, so made the chap (or lady) responsible look somewhat of a goon!
Sadly I had one thrown from directly behind me which wedged right under my seat at Charlton when we won the Championship and it ruined a great day out as I struggled with breathing and coughing afterwards and the smoke stained basically all my clothes that day and the smell wouldn't wash out. Otherwise of course, they're great fun!

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:02 pm**

Corky wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:02 pm
Apparently you hide them up your bottom. Sometimes with interesting and embarrassing results.

That explains a lot. We bumped into Claret Tony in The Bridge Tavern at lunchtime yesterday and I definitely felt he was walking funny!!!

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:36 pm**

I’ve heard that the person who set off the bomb was identified and two police officers took her out of the stand. By all accounts she couldn’t put the thing out when the goal was disallowed so she threw it! I despair.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:20 pm**

Corky wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 4:02 pm
Apparently you hide them up your bottom. Sometimes with interesting and embarrassing results.

Given your name Corky, are you speaking from experience?....

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:22 pm**

Cabbage wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:36 pm
I’ve heard that the person who set off the bomb was identified and two police officers took her out of the stand. By all accounts she couldn’t put the thing out when the goal was disallowed so she threw it! I despair.

I was stood behind her. What happened was someone on the back row lit it, dropped it by my feet, we were all struggling to breath having been celebrating the goal and not realised what had happened. The woman’s partner/friend picked it up and held it (not knowing what to do with it, by the looks of things). She took it from his hand and threw it like a complete moron. I’m not sure if she was annoyed with him for picking it up or just generally trying to get it away from everyone who was coughing and spluttering, but what she did was utterly, utterly stupid.

So sorry to you and MT03ALG we’re on the receiving end of it. We were all pretty worried up there as to what had happened and it must’ve been a bigger shock to you than it was to us.

Both her & her partner got arrested before the end of the match.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:23 pm**

MT03ALG wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:18 pm
Many thanks to the NUFC officials who immediately and efficiently extinguished the smoke bomb which landed at my feet in the second half at Newcastle, presumably thrown by a moronic Burnley fan. Apart from inhaling acrid smoke for a few seconds, I was not harmed but the situation could have been much worse if the bomb had landed in the crowd just in front of me.

So sorry about that mate. See post above. Glad they dealt with it quickly.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:07 pm**

Took my boys (9 & 11) to Newcastle for their first away game.

Amongst the 'highlights' were

- mouthfuls of the flares that went off.
- language which even for a non prude was a bit ott.
- a drunken man falling face first (twice) from behind onto us.
- a guy charging towards the police line after the match wanting to fight their fans.

That said I didn't let it spoil a great day including the train ride up there and we'll be back to more in the future

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:23 pm**

barba wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:07 pm
Took my boys (9 & 11) to Newcastle for their first away game.

Amongst the 'highlights' were

- mouthfuls of the flares that went off.
- language which even for a non prude was a bit ott.
- a drunken man falling face first (twice) from behind onto us.
- a guy charging towards the police line after the match wanting to fight their fans.

That said I didn't let it spoil a great day including the train ride up there and we'll be back to more in the future

Where were you sat barba? Sounds like you were pretty close to me!

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:44 pm**

barba wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:07 pm
Took my boys (9 & 11) to Newcastle for their first away game.

Amongst the 'highlights' were

- mouthfuls of the flares that went off.
- language which even for a non prude was a bit ott.
- a drunken man falling face first (twice) from behind onto us.
- a guy charging towards the police line after the match wanting to fight their fans.

That said I didn't let it spoil a great day including the train ride up there and we'll be back to more in the future

couldn't help but laugh reading this as if I were a 10 year old again! Welcome to the world of weird adults to those little ones. They must have been thinking what the hell is going on, it's only a game of footy!

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:47 pm**

Proper pensioners on here, whinging about everything that upsets their cocoa. Young lads need an outlet, especially these days. If it upsets you, stay at home behind the curtains.

Posted: **Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:49 pm**

ten bellies wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:47 pm
Proper pensioners on here, whinging about everything that upsets their cocoa. Young lads need an outlet, especially these days. If it upsets you, stay at home behind the curtains.

Why should decent people stay at home because of arseholes?

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:10 am**

Same energy as that Fulham fan pictured eating a sponge cake in the stands on here. Honestly incredible.

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:42 am**

ten bellies wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:47 pm
Proper pensioners on here, whinging about everything that upsets their cocoa. Young lads need an outlet, especially these days. If it upsets you, stay at home behind the curtains.

Cocaine and flares... ooooh the excitement!

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:19 am**

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:44 pm
couldn't help but laugh reading this as if I were a 10 year old again! Welcome to the world of weird adults to those little ones. They must have been thinking what the hell is going on, it's only a game of footy!

A female friend of the drunken tumbler (who also fell on us) kept asking my 9 year if he was ok. He said yes when he was a little bit hurt as 'if he said yes she'd make a big deal of it'.

I get the boozing et al and the swearing but if you start as 40+ year olds falling on kids you should really be having a rethink.

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:59 am**

ten bellies wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:47 pm
Proper pensioners on here, whinging about everything that upsets their cocoa. Young lads need an outlet, especially these days. If it upsets you, stay at home behind the curtains.

If they need an outlet may I suggest the one in the wall

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:12 am**

On cocaine use at football, there was an interesting article on it in The Athletic last week and a couple of police officers explained the issues with dealing with the problem...

So how do you address a problem few so far have accepted exists?

Current measures, such as sniffer dogs and pat searches, cannot hope to stem use. That is best summed up by a stark reality over how cocaine is policed at games.

“Honestly? You don’t,” explains one serving officer. “Not at the games themselves. It gets mentioned in briefings and the match-day planning but there are things you have to remember.

“Resources are stretched like a lot of public services. You have to concentrate on certain priorities.

“The main thing is reducing trouble. That’s what all your match-day planning is focused on. There’s a recognition that some supporters will be coked up and as you get more experienced, you can spot them.

“It’s totally different if you have intelligence to say that someone is dealing at a game. Then you would try and single them out. But think about it. If you’re intervening with individuals, you’re losing officers to the process of searching them, arresting them, processing them, taking them back to the station and all that. You’re losing officers who you need for the whole of the match-day operation at a ground."

“It doesn’t sound ideal because, to be honest, it isn’t. But when you brief or plan before a match, you can’t prioritise individual searches of people. It’s just not as important as limiting trouble. I know you can say that one (cocaine use) maybe leads to another (trouble) but it’s just not practical to try and intervene like that.”

Owen West, a specialist in crowd policing and a former chief superintendent, agrees that police resources are one of the biggest problems when it comes to tackling cocaine use.

“For every arrest you make, you’re likely to lose two cops,” he tells The Athletic. “One person is going to take away two police officers. If you’re doing that three, four or five times in a group then you very quickly get to the point where there’s no resources left.

“It’s about crowd control more than crime control. All your resources are going into making sure you can move one crowd from A to B. It’s about getting to the end of a day and hoping no one has been hurt and enjoyed their day.”

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:48 am**

ChorltonCharlie wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:12 am
On cocaine use at football, there was an interesting article on it in The Athletic last week and a couple of police officers explained the issues with dealing with the problem...

So how do you address a problem few so far have accepted exists?

Current measures, such as sniffer dogs and pat searches, cannot hope to stem use. That is best summed up by a stark reality over how cocaine is policed at games.

“Honestly? You don’t,” explains one serving officer. “Not at the games themselves. It gets mentioned in briefings and the match-day planning but there are things you have to remember.

“Resources are stretched like a lot of public services. You have to concentrate on certain priorities.

“The main thing is reducing trouble. That’s what all your match-day planning is focused on. There’s a recognition that some supporters will be coked up and as you get more experienced, you can spot them.

“It’s totally different if you have intelligence to say that someone is dealing at a game. Then you would try and single them out. But think about it. If you’re intervening with individuals, you’re losing officers to the process of searching them, arresting them, processing them, taking them back to the station and all that. You’re losing officers who you need for the whole of the match-day operation at a ground."

“It doesn’t sound ideal because, to be honest, it isn’t. But when you brief or plan before a match, you can’t prioritise individual searches of people. It’s just not as important as limiting trouble. I know you can say that one (cocaine use) maybe leads to another (trouble) but it’s just not practical to try and intervene like that.”

Owen West, a specialist in crowd policing and a former chief superintendent, agrees that police resources are one of the biggest problems when it comes to tackling cocaine use.

“For every arrest you make, you’re likely to lose two cops,” he tells The Athletic. “One person is going to take away two police officers. If you’re doing that three, four or five times in a group then you very quickly get to the point where there’s no resources left.

“It’s about crowd control more than crime control. All your resources are going into making sure you can move one crowd from A to B. It’s about getting to the end of a day and hoping no one has been hurt and enjoyed their day.”

I understand the reasoning, but its a real shame.

The authorities seem to be more hellbent on stopping people going into a game with items such as plastic bottles and flasks than cocaine!?!

I'm becoming very reluctant to take my young kids to games. Especially if it's not in JMU. I just don't trust the majority of fans to not act like thuggish yobs. And statements like this just confirm my fears

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:04 am**

Cocaine use if rife at the football as it is in society. It's probably been mentioned already but look what is going on at the house of commons at the moment, and that's allegedly the very top of society. I'd also point out that people drunk beyond belief can be just as much trouble as someone on cocaine. It's a real problem but I don't think it's going away in a hurry, especially given ChorltonCharlie's point that it isn't actively policed at games.

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:41 am**

ChorltonCharlie, apt name given the conversation. Back to flares and smoke bombs. It’s a funny one because we often look at videos, someone posted one a few weeks back, of the atmosphere at foreign stadiums, flares, standing on seats, flags etc. and think it looks great. It’s a truth, I think, that most of the atmosphere at games is created by people who tend to be a bit younger, tend to have a had a drink or two, tend to break the rules a bit and tend to be a bit daft. It’s always been the same. We can’t really complain about the lack of atmosphere at games if we are not going to allow some latitude for those that create the atmosphere.

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:39 pm**

A lad I know used to like to get a bottle of Fanta and a Twix at halftime to entertain himself on the match but he cant afford it these days so has switched to Cocaine as a cheap alternative.

He says he doesn't quite get the same caramel and sugar rush as he does with a Twix but its not far off

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:43 pm**

ten bellies wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:47 pm
Proper pensioners on here, whinging about everything that upsets their cocoa. Young lads need an outlet, especially these days. If it upsets you, stay at home behind the curtains.

one of tbe most moronic posts I have read on here for quite a while.

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:46 pm**

Why do young lads need an “outlet”? An outlet for what? Can they not just behave like normal humans?

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:48 pm**

People complaining about others swearing at the match makes me laugh. This is football, its an outlet for people, its always been that way. I remember when we went up in 09, I turned to my mate at the final whistle .... "F**** Get in, we are up".....

Some woman behind me...

"Please could you watch your language"

Well, not really, love no. Clearly just there for the day out - some parts of the game / experience need getting rid of all together, but lets not forget, this is football not a day out at wimbledon

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:57 pm**

Here’s the video from the other week, oh dear. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hL3fBDrx5 ... e=youtu.be

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:20 pm**

Football is nothing without a rowdy atmos.

I am going to Man City v Leeds a week tomorrow, hoping it is absolutely ripe under the lights.

Away supporters used to be generally younger and rowdier.

Posted: **Mon Dec 06, 2021 2:09 pm**

There was one guy sat on the coach I was on that was on his phone on the way back, very openly (and loudly) ordering "3 bags" for when he got back to Burnley. He even complained about £130 being a bit steep.....I know it is each to their own and all that, but surely people should have a bit more awareness about them.

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