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Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:06 am
by helmclaret
Can't help but think maybe he's the missing link this season?
I appreciate there are a lot of variables, but he's been with Dyche since the start.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:22 am
by Woodleyclaret
If he did have a hip replacement surely he's out and about by now or did he decided to call it a day and retire early away from football?
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:34 am
by helmclaret
He left for good.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:34 am
by Burnley1989
Doubt it very much
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:45 am
by Steve-Harpers-perm
We certainly haven’t won many games since he went.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:50 am
by jdrobbo
TL was the mastermind behind a lot of the operation and will take a hell of a lot of replacing. We can look for variables until the cows come home, but the fact is, the day Tony left, we became weaker for it.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:16 am
by Local cricketer
Never been convinced by Steve Stone. Think he got the job due to been one of the boys
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:28 am
by beddie
I assumed besides requiring a hip replacement he’d decided at the time of leaving not to return, whether that’s family reasons or otherwise I don’t know.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:30 am
by Bordeauxclaret
Local cricketer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:16 am
Never been convinced by Steve Stone. Think he got the job due to been one of the boys
Similar to the way Loughlan ended up working for Dyche then.
Friends from years ago, did a bit of coaching at other clubs then got a gig with Dyche.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:38 am
by arise_sir_charge
Sure that I’ve posted this before but I was at a dinner sat next to ex Forest keeper Mark Crossley who played with Dyche/Woan etc at Forest and he said to me that Loughlan was “the brains behind the outfit”.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:12 am
by Spijed
Did he join the club at the same time SD was appointed or sometime afterwards?
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:27 am
by Paddy1882
Said this on another thread the other day that I think we missed a trick not making the most out of the Tony Loughlan situation and replacing him with someone with fresh ideas, new coaching sessions and a different view for Dyche to bounce things off.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:46 am
by CharlieinNewMexico
Local cricketer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:16 am
Never been convinced by Steve Stone. Think he got the job due to been one of the boys
Playground bully
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:33 am
by SalisburyClaret
He'll be joining Woan in that role then.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:58 am
by Woodleyclaret
Unfashionable as it may be footballers sometimes need the hard word. If someone is underperfoming and getting very well paid for it, they need to be told exactly what's needed . Tough if it offends them.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:02 am
by Lancasterclaret
Can someone please start a "when we lost why have we lost" bingo card, a bit like the cry arse bingo card when we beat other teams
Cheers!
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:51 am
by ClaretTony
arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 7:38 am
Sure that I’ve posted this before but I was at a dinner sat next to ex Forest keeper Mark Crossley who played with Dyche/Woan etc at Forest and he said to me that Loughlan was “the brains behind the outfit”.
I'm sure I read that from you at the time it was announced he was leaving.
Tony's a really good bloke too. I don't know Stone but I've seen his behaviour on the touchline when he was in charge of the under-23s.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:05 pm
by diamondpocket
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:51 am
I'm sure I read that from you at the time it was announced he was leaving.
Tony's a really good bloke too. I don't know Stone but I've seen his behaviour on the touchline when he was in charge of the under-23s.
Care to elaborate?
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:21 pm
by Rowls
I don't think Tony wants to elaborate, otherwise he would have done.
From what I've seen of Stone he's a very direct and forthright person with a very steely look to his face.
You sometimes have to read between the lines.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:48 pm
by Spijed
Rowls wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:21 pm
I don't think Tony wants to elaborate, otherwise he would have done.
From what I've seen of Stone he's a very direct and forthright person with a very steely look to his face.
You sometimes have to read between the lines.
I'm more curious about him being the brains behind the operation. Does that mean SD is just a front man?
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:51 pm
by Safron
Tony was pushed out along with Tom short the first team fitness coach ,and Steve stone promoted to first team, there was quite a few pushed out at the club around the same time .
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:54 pm
by IanMcL
Has he gone? Still not sure.
Just thought it was hip replacement, which would take time.
Could be on the grass soon!
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:55 pm
by Lancasterclaret
*adds internal dressing room bust ups to bingo card*
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:02 pm
by Rowls
Spijed wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:48 pm
I'm more curious about him being the brains behind the operation. Does that mean SD is just a front man?
FWIW I suspect Dyche is a highly intelligent guy. I'm don't think for a second he's lacking in grey matter.
But a second pair of eyes is often useful, as long as they're attached to somebody intelligent.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:02 pm
by Peter Loo
Safron wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:51 pm
Tony was pushed out along with Tom short the first team fitness coach ,and Steve stone promoted to first team, there was quite a few pushed out at the club around the same time .
Pushed out by who?
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:36 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
Was Tony the one who used to get all his tactics off this forum?
Cant be too hard to replicate just tell them the address.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:51 pm
by KRBFC
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:55 pm
*adds internal dressing room bust ups to bingo card*
Stop being so soft and argumentative, nobody on here suggested anything to do with an internal bust up, just we're potentially worse off for someone leaving.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:56 pm
by Lancasterclaret
KRBFC wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:51 pm
Stop being so soft and argumentative, nobody on here suggested anything to do with an internal bust up, just we're potentially worse off for someone leaving.
*irony meters around the world blow up*
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:00 pm
by KRBFC
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:56 pm
*irony meters around the world blow up*
You're on a thread being defensive and putting words into the mouth of others for an argument.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:08 pm
by Lancasterclaret
KRBFC wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:00 pm
You're on a thread being defensive and putting words into the mouth of others for an argument.
Nice to see I'm todays target
Crack on boy, perfectly happy to let you talk away with your usual standard of discourse
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:55 pm
by ClaretTony
IanMcL wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:54 pm
Has he gone? Still not sure.
Just thought it was hip replacement, which would take time.
Could be on the grass soon!
Yes, he’s gone.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:06 pm
by Safron
Peter Loo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:02 pm
Pushed out by who?
The new owners not sure who had the final decision.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:26 pm
by elwaclaret
I can’t help thinking this start is not so different to several others we have made in the Premier.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:56 pm
by davetheclaret
helmclaret wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:06 am
Can't help but think maybe he's the missing link this season?
I appreciate there are a lot of variables, but he's been with Dyche since the start.
I thought the exact same thing a few weeks back, maybe he saw things that these 3 don't, be it attacking wise or defending, one thing that has always puzzled me, and i might be wrong but i always thought Ian Woan was a very good footballer, yet we still play an awful lot of Dycheball, but sometimes its best not to rock the boat, he'd be on very good money, so what Sean wants Sean gets.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:02 pm
by Rombald
There is an incredible amount of supposition in this thread.
I'd be amazed if the board or dyche had got rid of him, if he were that good.
It seems to be the way of the world currently.
In addition, he was there during other poor runs of form
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:23 pm
by longsidetrumpet
From the club website July 8 this year: Burnley boss Dyche said: “Tony has done a fantastic job here as a key part of the staff but he now feels it’s a good time for him to undergo the further surgery he needs and the extended period of time required to make a full recovery."
Does that help anybody? Doesn't sound to me that there's anything more to it than that.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:29 pm
by Peter Loo
Safron wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:06 pm
The new owners not sure who had the final decision.
Really, I very surprised that Dyche and his team didn’t make a significant stand against it.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:35 pm
by Rowls
longsidetrumpet wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:23 pm
From the club website July 8 this year: Burnley boss Dyche said: “Tony has done a fantastic job here as a key part of the staff but he now feels it’s a good time for him to undergo the further surgery he needs and the extended period of time required to make a full recovery."
Does that help anybody? Doesn't sound to me that there's anything more to it than that.
And Sean signed a new contract not long afterwards.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:37 pm
by boatshed bill
longsidetrumpet wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:23 pm
From the club website July 8 this year: Burnley boss Dyche said: “Tony has done a fantastic job here as a key part of the staff but he now feels it’s a good time for him to undergo the further surgery he needs and the extended period of time required to make a full recovery."
Does that help anybody? Doesn't sound to me that there's anything more to it than that.
I'm sure I read somewhere that he wouldn't be coming back,
but it's very likely his own decision....
nothing to see here.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:17 pm
by Peter Loo
longsidetrumpet wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:23 pm
From the club website July 8 this year: Burnley boss Dyche said: “Tony has done a fantastic job here as a key part of the staff but he now feels it’s a good time for him to undergo the further surgery he needs and the extended period of time required to make a full recovery."
Does that help anybody? Doesn't sound to me that there's anything more to it than that.
I disagree the bit about "the extended period of time required to make a full recovery." for instance.
It doesn't say that he's had a enough of the job and is leaving for good, just says that he's having as much time as he needs after the surgery.
Maybe he will be back time will tell.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:23 pm
by ClaretTony
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:37 pm
I'm sure I read somewhere that he wouldn't be coming back,
but it's very likely his own decision....
nothing to see here.
I've been told he's not coming back.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:37 pm
by TheFamilyCat
Rombald wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:02 pm
There is an incredible amount of supposition in this thread.
I'd be amazed if the board or dyche had got rid of him, if he were that good.
It seems to be the way of the world currently.
In addition, he was there during other poor runs of form
Logic and rational thinking has no place on a thread like this
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:41 pm
by IanMcL
Sounds a great pity.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:41 am
by superdimitri
Perhaps we should consider getting a few coaches in for specific areas. Its there another team in the league with just one first team coach?
Pretty sure most have multiple coaches specialising in different areas.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:25 am
by claretonthecoast1882
longsidetrumpet wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:23 pm
From the club website July 8 this year: Burnley boss Dyche said: “Tony has done a fantastic job here as a key part of the staff but he now feels it’s a good time for him to undergo the further surgery he needs and the extended period of time required to make a full recovery."
Does that help anybody? Doesn't sound to me that there's anything more to it than that.
Surely it is better to not believe what Dyche has said about him and accept that new owners came in and while wanting Dyche to sign a new deal they potted one of his key staff
Some of the ******** on here is priceless
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:46 am
by Peter Loo
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:23 pm
I've been told he's not coming back.
Was it clear why "he's not coming back.", without mentioning the word "surgery" that is.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:35 pm
by NottsClaret
Remember with Man Utd under Ferguson.. you often used to hear that actually, from those 'in the know', the brains behind the success was.. Brian Kidd. Then Steve McClaren. Probably that Portuguese fella too. And no doubt Mick Phelan. And yet in the end, it turned out it was Ferguson all along.
Re: Tony Loughlan
Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:16 pm
by SalisburyClaret
NottsClaret wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:35 pm
Remember with Man Utd under Ferguson.. you often used to hear that actually, from those 'in the know', the brains behind the success was.. Brian Kidd. Then Steve McClaren. Probably that Portuguese fella too. And no doubt Mick Phelan. And yet in the end, it turned out it was Ferguson all along.
Great manager though he was, there were times when he wasn’t at his best (being polite) when it was all down to his assistants