Got an option in small terrace lounge to either remove chimney breast to create more space, keep it and add wood burner, or keep it and open fireplace and stick some vases or stuff in it.

Are woodburners going to go the way of fossil fuel cars and end up being banned?

I had the same predicament and did this with mine

9 sleeps until the big day and you're thinking of smashing up your chimney

Alanstevensonsgloves wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:08 pm

Got an option in small terrace lounge to either remove chimney breast to create more space, keep it and add wood burner, or keep it and open fireplace and stick some vases or stuff in it.

Are woodburners going to go the way of fossil fuel cars and end up being banned?

I hope not, we have a multi-fuel stove and it keeps our whole house warm. Best thing we ever bought

We got one installed a few years ago through pendle stoves in colne.

One of the best purchases we have made- love the heat and visual impact it has when on.

I seem to recall there being some ‘standards’ that the stoves had to meet for emissions from memory and you have to check that you are not in an area that bans them.

Give pendle stoves a call and I’m sure they will answer any questions you have.

Chobulous wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:41 pm

I hope not, we have a multi-fuel stove and it keeps our whole house warm. Best thing we ever bought

Far too many about, in 1 of the houses where I live on the street nearly every house have a multi fuel stove installed & how the hell will you detect the difference from a open fire to a wood burner plumes from the chimney even if it was plausible!

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:50 pm

Far too many about, in 1 of the houses where I live on the street nearly every house have a multi fuel stove installed & how the hell will you detect the difference from a open fire to a wood burner plumes from the chimney even if it was plausible!

**** off

Alanstevensonsgloves wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:08 pm

Got an option in small terrace lounge to either remove chimney breast to create more space, keep it and add wood burner, or keep it and open fireplace and stick some vases or stuff in it.

Are woodburners going to go the way of fossil fuel cars and end up being banned?

I can see wood burners being cut at some time. The air pollution in cities is not good - except it's invisible air pollution rather than smog from coal fires, the "pea soupers" those of the older generations will remember.

There was a wood burner stove store opened in south west London maybe 20 years ago. It was very popular. It closed down 3 years ago.

I still see neighbours getting their wood deliveries, but if the mayor is charging cars for their vehicle emissions a tax on wood burners can't be that far off...

Don't cut down trees.
But my uneducated guess is that any fuel other than solar energy will do roughly the same damage to the planet

I think they want to ban all fuel but electricity, probably on the grounds that when there's a power cut, it isn't fair that people with stoves keep warm while others freeze. Better to have everyone freeze.

dsr wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:57 pm

I think they want to ban all fuel but electricity, probably on the grounds that when there's a power cut, it isn't fair that people with stoves keep warm while others freeze. Better to have everyone freeze.

We are all electric (Storage Heaters) ... but do have a gas fire (just in case )

We had a multi fuel stove installed 6 years ago. The heat it chucks out is amazing even on low with the vents closed. We needed something to back up the rads in the lounge as it is a large space to heat - 13 foot ceiling with a mezzanine area overlooking it. Only usually have it on when it's very cold outside but once it is up to temperature I can shut the rads off.

Personally I think they keep your living room warm and cosy. I really understand their rustic appeal.
But we’ve decided not to install one, because of the real ease of particulates into the atmosphere. As an asthmatic I thought it unwise to get a wood burner.

You can't have one legally in a Smokeless Zone - you need to check if that's you.

basil6345789 wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:12 pm

You can't have one legally in a Smokeless Zone - you need to check if that's you.

You can - just speciifc types which are listed, or alternatively you can only use 'smokless fuels'

Belial wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:24 pm

You can - just speciifc types which are listed, or alternatively you can only use 'smokless fuels'

Which, for many, defeats the object of burning cheap/scrap wood, to keep the bills down.

An idiot near me has one and burns "wet wood" i.e anything he can find and store. Plus probably anything else he can find
It stinks and pollutes everywhere.

When it is cold he causes a haze.

Now I am not saying he is typical.

I am also not sure how long they will be allowed to be sold (probably taxed....?).

Fit one now and use it responsibly. Enjoy it. But burn only the allowed stuff (which many don't as they see cheaper options to burn).

I actually like them but don't now have one and don't miss the work cleaning / stocking etc etc either.

Chobulous wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:04 pm

**** off

Cataclysmic credit for the constructive counter .

I can’t stand them. They stink, and are terrible for the environment.

This was very timely in the paper this morning:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... risk-study

The wood chip on Towneley children's play area makes great kindling when dry I believe Jakubclaret said

Not sure you can really stop people having a fire to keep warm. Are we going to ban bonfire night next ?

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:30 am

Not sure you can really stop people having a fire to keep warm. Are we going to ban bonfire night next ?

I hope so.

Loyalclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:51 am

The wood chip on Towneley children's play area makes great kindling when dry I believe Jakubclaret said

I actually buy the kindling in it’s cheap I’ve got a bunker for the seasoned logs which I fell & split myself I buy the coal in as well as the kindling I get red oxbow smokeless nuggets so no visits to “towneley” as nice area as it is .

A number of years ago we had our wood burner / multi fuel stove replaced. We had an approved installer and all the ' paper work' had to go trough the local authority. My advice would be to go through an approved installer and if you live in a smoke control area you will have to have a 'smoke exempt ' stove. Furthermore , add into your cost a new flue liner, which could be £600+. We all, to varying degrees cause damage to the planet ,but beware of pointing the finger of blame without examining your own lifestyle eg: multiple flights, , gas guzzling cars & motor homes. Those are just 2 items of my personal hate list I'm sure everyone has their own .

I can't imagine it will be that long until they're banned in urban areas. Plus, even if you don't really care about the pollution they give out it's worth considering all the dangerous particles that escape into the home when you open the door to refuel, I suspect in a few years time that will be viewed the same as smoking with kids in the car.

Getting rid of ours in the NY and going for something like this.

aggi wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:11 am

I can't imagine it will be that long until they're banned in urban areas. Plus, even if you don't really care about the pollution they give out it's worth considering all the dangerous particles that escape into the home when you open the door to refuel, I suspect in a few years time that will be viewed the same as smoking with kids in the car.

You have to die sometime there’s a risk attached with everything nowadays.

Alanstevensonsgloves wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:08 pm

Got an option in small terrace lounge to either remove chimney breast to create more space, keep it and add wood burner, or keep it and open fireplace and stick some vases or stuff in it.

Are woodburners going to go the way of fossil fuel cars and end up being banned?

claret2018 wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:24 am

This was very timely in the paper this morning:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... risk-study

Hi Asg, best thing to do is read the linked report in the Guardian - and thank claret2018 for posting.

I'm not sure a wood burner in a "small terrace lounge" will be a great addition to your property, sounds more likely it will be something you (or the next owner) will want to get rid of at some time in the future...

Good luck.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:35 am

Cataclysmic credit for the constructive counter .

Sometimes 2 words are all you need

Chobulous wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:55 pm

Sometimes 2 words are all you need

I could say a lot back but I’d get banned, I’ll let you be the keyboard warrior because I know for a fact you wouldn’t say it to my face

They are definitely worse for local air pollution than other forms of heating, however, I can't see them being banned for a long time. There are some relatively new regulations around the sale of fuels, which will reduce emissions somewhat, but in reality people still get away with burning what they like on them a lot of the time if not reported. Thing is, doing that will actually be damaging the health of those people who live in the property. There is also the argument that woodburners, if used with the correct fuels, are a more sustainable source of heat when it comes to climate change (not air pollution)

The flower pot option seems the best as even if you don’t use it as a fireplace and you leave it open, fresh air will help ventilation in the house.

Despite the sensible policy of stopping drafts an air tight house is no good either.

Enjoy a good fire and have plenty outside. Much more natural way of heating than using nuclear power to create electricity which leaves a devastating legacy for for the planet and future generations. Not ‘greener’ at all.

Paul Waine wrote: ↑

Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:54 pm

Hi Asg, best thing to do is read the linked report in the Guardian - and thank claret2018 for posting.

I'm not sure a wood burner in a "small terrace lounge" will be a great addition to your property, sounds more likely it will be something you (or the next owner) will want to get rid of at some time in the future...

Good luck.

So mankind has literally lived and breathed by burning wood, but only in the last few years has caused cancer?
Nothing to do with modern lifestyles at all..

I bought one yesterday, a Saltfire Peanut 5 Tall. It’s getting delivered on Wednesday.
I’d recommend Direct Stoves at Stockport. They’ve got big website and also a showroom. I went down to the showroom and got £60 off the web price, plus you can have a look at the quality of the product.
I’d also recommend Mr Flue at Pilsworth if you need the flue etc…..
I’ll be installing it myself, I’ve fitted a few over the years.
This one will make it three at our property.
We’ve got pretty much an unlimited supply of wood, but we don’t use the wood burners too much……but we like the cosy look and feel in winter.
I think they’re great.

My brother recently had an Opti-myst fire fitted and it looks great! I thought it was a real flame when I first saw it.

Spare a thought for the long suffering neighbours, coughing and sputtering over the sh*te being put out by these horrible wood burners, should be banned, oh and UTC.

chipbutty wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:03 am

So mankind has literally lived and breathed by burning wood, but only in the last few years has caused cancer?
Nothing to do with modern lifestyles at all..

Hi chipbutty, it's all about the numbers, I believe: the number of people, the number of fires, the number of different fuels for those fires (and other sources of warmth and heat and energy), the number of scientists and doctors, and the number of years we aim to live. All to do with "modern lifestyle" I think.

There are some numbers that will never change and one of those is one planet. I'm not a malthusian. However, it appears that we need to make adjustments to the way we do things - fossil fuels being one of many examples - as our numbers grow and we explore "sustainability" in all its many forms.

chipbutty wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:03 am

So mankind has literally lived and breathed by burning wood, but only in the last few years has caused cancer?
Nothing to do with modern lifestyles at all..

Did they live long enough to get cancer?

Here's an article from ten months ago:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... tion-fires

Paul Waine wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:36 am

Hi chipbutty, it's all about the numbers, I believe: the number of people, the number of fires, the number of different fuels for those fires (and other sources of warmth and heat and energy), the number of scientists and doctors, and the number of years we aim to live. All to do with "modern lifestyle" I think.

There are some numbers that will never change and one of those is one planet. I'm not a malthusian. However, it appears that we need to make adjustments to the way we do things - fossil fuels being one of many examples - as our numbers grow and we explore "sustainability" in all its many forms.

Without doing any research, surely before we used gas and electric fires, EVERYBODY burned wood fires, all day every day?

chipbutty wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:39 am

Without doing any research, surely before we used gas and electric fires, EVERYBODY burned wood fires, all day every day?

As I said, it's all about the numbers. When the population of the world was only small and wood was the only fuel for fires for cooking and warmth, then, yes, I'm sure that's all they burnt. Coal was first burnt as a fuel 1000 BCE - which is a lot earlier than I'd have guessed. Again, burning coal when the world population wasn't so great and not a lot of coal was burnt wasn't so bad. But William Blake wrote about the "dark satanic mills" in the early 19th century and Engels wrote/published "Manchester and the Working Class" in 1844, so burning coal has been polluting the air for over 200 years.

Paul Waine wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:36 pm

As I said, it's all about the numbers. When the population of the world was only small and wood was the only fuel for fires for cooking and warmth, then, yes, I'm sure that's all they burnt. Coal was first burnt as a fuel 1000 BCE - which is a lot earlier than I'd have guessed. Again, burning coal when the world population wasn't so great and not a lot of coal was burnt wasn't so bad. But William Blake wrote about the "dark satanic mills" in the early 19th century and Engels wrote/published "Manchester and the Working Class" in 1844, so burning coal has been polluting the air for over 200 years.

I remember chatting to my friends dad who will now be early 80’s. He had a sheet metal business in Bury and lived in Burnley. He told me the smog could be that bad in the last 50’s and early 60’s it was impossible to drive home . He said you could hardly see the end of the bonnet so f the car. He has a bed at work so he just camped down there when it got that bad.
I think we went smoke less in the mid 60’s as I remember having a coal fire at home in our terraced house. But never after we moved in about 1970.

Given the news on expected gas price rises in April, and then again next winter, maybe having a wood burner to heat the home iso gas central heating is the way forward!

Does anyone have electric heaters iso gas ch?

Alanstevensonsgloves wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:08 pm

Got an option in small terrace lounge to either remove chimney breast to create more space, keep it and add wood burner, or keep it and open fireplace and stick some vases or stuff in it.

Are woodburners going to go the way of fossil fuel cars and end up being banned?

Do it on the quiet as heating will not be allowed at all soon under this regime we have. Actually woodburners are superb and will heat a very big room.

It’s that mild at nights now I don’t think I’ve fired mine up for about a month it should be ok now past autumn.

Alanstevensonsgloves wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:57 am

Given the news on expected gas price rises in April, and then again next winter, maybe having a wood burner to heat the home iso gas central heating is the way forward!

Does anyone have electric heaters iso gas ch?

In my block of flats (built in 1962) they are building new flats where the roof was and were hoping to remove the chimneys. To do this they offered to those that had gas or open fires to remove them and replace with an electric one at the builders expense. Of the thirty-nine flats it turns out only three still used a gas fire - I was one. In addition, four owners said they used an open fire although I think only two actually did. The latter refused to agree and therefore the builder backed down and we now still retain the chimneys. One of those who used an open fire burned wood but after a couple of years he's now burning coke or coal. Even then he seems to be fed up with the work involved.

I chose to have my gas fire, and indeed the whole fireplace, removed and I replaced them with electric radiators (I don't have central heating). The room looks better for it, the heating is OK but it doesn't warm up the room as quickly as a gas fire. Of course this decision was made before these large increases in fuel costs but knowing that on my tariff, electricity is four times the cost of gas. I also now don't have any options if there is an electric power cut. I've never known a gas power cut.

We have a multi burner in a medium sized lounge , it puts out a lot of heat even thought it’s not that big ,we only use it when it’s very cold out it’s very nice to have but is a lot of work so when we retire we intend to replace it with a gas lookalike .in a small terrace room I think it would become pretty hot so you may not use it that much for the cost of installation, it does create noticeable soot and smoke when you open it which can’t be good. If it’s a small room personally I would remove the chimney breast to enlarge the room and have an lcd electric flame effect fire on the wall

Our next door neighbour had a Wood Burner put in 2 years ago ... last weekend his Chimney Cowl was in the middle of our lawn blown off during storm Corrie ...

I picked it up to find it was black with baked on soot and the rivets/bolts were melted off ... It must send a lot of crud and heat up the chimney ... especially the particulates for us to breathe in

Nothing like a nice late afternoon walk,light the burner before you leave,60 minute brisk walk and you come home to this and a nice dram....you can't beat a wood burner..

* This photo was taken with a potato *