O/T Why do the Scots have a problem with tenses?

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:42 am

Just heard a presenter on TV say:

"I've came harmed with a box of treats."

Quite often, football commentators struggle with tenses.

You'd think that an ability to speak English like what I do would be a pre-requisite of getting the job

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:46 am

Jocks speak English?

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:49 am

Arksed myself this very question the other day ...

Also why do (so called) pundits such as Alex Scott and Clinton (other supermarkets are available) Morrison use the word "Arksed" instead of "asked"

cbx750 · Post by **cbx750** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:58 am

Not very good treats if they're harming him.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:05 am

Possibly the same reason that Burnley folk have made the word "the" virtually redundant.

RMutt · Post by **RMutt** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:14 am

Regional accents are brilliant, but the silly affected fashionable ones really wind me up. The Australian inflection one, but particularly the stating statements with ‘so’ one. I’ve even seen that starting to be written now.
There is a particular football speak one with the tenses all mixed up that’s very popular, in fact Sean Dyche tends to use it.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:22 am

Funkydrummer wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:05 am
Possibly the same reason that Burnley folk have made the word "the" virtually redundant.

And, whilst we're having a go at folk.

How come people under 30 can't string a sentence together without using "like" every other word?!

AND...

How come people from Bacup can't string a sentence together without using F*** (and its derivatives) every other word?!

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:24 am

cbx750 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:58 am
Not very good treats if they're harming him.

They were raw sprouts for porcupines

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:24 am

RalphCoatesComb wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:22 am
And, whilst we're having a go at folk.

How come people under 30 can't string a sentence together without using "like" every other word?! AND...

How come people from Bacup can't string a sentence together without using F*** (and its derivatives) every other word?!

In Norn Iron they use the word fck as a comma.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:25 am

RalphCoatesComb wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:42 am
Just heard a presenter on TV say:

"I've came harmed with a box of treats."

Quite often, football commentators struggle with tenses.

You'd think that an ability to speak English like what I do would be a pre-requisite of getting the job

You wanna hear the programme announcers on channel four then….. utterly bizarre that someone whose primary role is to communicate with the masses would be chosen to do it based on their inability to do just that.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:27 am

I feel there is a lot of "tension" in this thread...

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:28 am

duncandisorderly wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:24 am
In Norn Iron they use the word fck as a comma.

F*** no?!

Herts Clarets · Post by **Herts Clarets** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:40 am

RalphCoatesComb wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:28 am
F*** no?!

No comma required in that sentence......

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:42 am

Professor Jolly is on the case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-XxCZZEFzQ

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:46 am

Herts Clarets wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:40 am
No comma required in that sentence......

CrispyClaret · Post by **CrispyClaret** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:49 am

It’s pluralising I can’t stand. Your David Beckhams, Manchester United’s etc.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:11 pm

I’ve heard Alan Shearer several times on MOTD use the word “of” rather than “have”. The last time he said “would of”. I accept the Geordie dialect can often come across as difficult to understand but there’s no excuse for that. The BBC need to correct him.

get stuck in tracy · Post by **get stuck in tracy** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:16 pm

Steve Bruce with his Birminam that grips me.

what_no_pies · Post by **what_no_pies** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:24 pm

Language evolves. Colloquialisms engrain themselves into our regional dialect and become the norm. It's sometimes a bit cringey but ultimately gives us character and affirms our identity. I believe it'd be boring if we all spoke the latest version of the Queen's English. Mistakes are so often a gateway to progress in all forms of expression.

Shakespeare would suggest that the language snobs among us are trash talking.

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:28 pm

Afraid they've had problems with Tenses since Andy Murray stopped winning big tournaments.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:37 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:28 pm
Afraid they've had problems with Tenses since Andy Murray stopped winning big tournaments.

Chobulous · Post by **Chobulous** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:42 pm

“Can I get” is the worst misuse of the English language. No you can’t “get” whatever it is you want. You may have it if you ask politely. The waiter, shopkeeper or whatever will go and get it for you but you will not get yourself.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:50 pm

Chobulous wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:42 pm
“Can I get” is the worst misuse of the English language. No you can’t “get” whatever it is you want. You may have it if you ask politely. The waiter, shopkeeper or whatever will go and get it for you but you will not get yourself.

This, and also "I'll just grab" excuse me, you won't just grab anything young man!

It also feels a bit weird when a young waiter/waitress says guys at every opportunity from when you walk in, to when you leave.

Hi guys, have you guys booked a table?
Under what name is it guys?
OK, follow me guys.
Right guys your table is just here, I'm Dan and ill be looking after you today.
Firstly can I grab you guys a drink.
And it goes on, and on and on.

Claretforshaw · Post by **Claretforshaw** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:26 pm

How about “ I get it” rather than “I understand that”

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:27 pm

I just think they have a problem that the mother tongue of the British Isles is English.

Claretforshaw · Post by **Claretforshaw** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:28 pm

……or worse still “upcoming” rather than “ up and coming” …americanisms

RMutt · Post by **RMutt** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:33 pm

Gotten instead of got.

Targetman · Post by **Targetman** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:36 pm

Or posters on here changing the word "got" to the Americanism "gotten".

No need to show off because you can speak American, it's gotten silly!

Targetman · Post by **Targetman** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:36 pm

RMutt wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:33 pm
Gotten instead of got.

Beat me to it.

RMutt · Post by **RMutt** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:38 pm

Haha, yes I gotten that one first.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:09 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:42 am
Just heard a presenter on TV say:

"I've came harmed with a box of treats."

Quite often, football commentators struggle with tenses.

You'd think that an ability to speak English like what I do would be a pre-requisite of getting the job

Geordies have the same 'issue'?

chekhov · Post by **chekhov** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:13 pm

RMutt wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:33 pm
Gotten instead of got.

I’ve never heard a British person say that.
What annoys me though is when folk pronounce schedule “skedule”. I probably need to get over it.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:20 pm

Good thread this "Innit"

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:24 pm

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:20 pm
Good thread this "Innit"

Like yeah like

Volvoclaret · Post by **Volvoclaret** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:06 pm

I'm with you Chekhov, people who are egate skedule get reyt up me snoz. Soooooo why do people from Accy and Rossendale say buzzes instead of buses?

toooldtobegrumpy · Post by **toooldtobegrumpy** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 5:11 pm

Geordies also seem to have a problem with 'went' and 'gone'. e.g. Alan Shearer "I could have went to Man United but chose Newcastle".

Guller Bull · Post by **Guller Bull** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 5:49 pm

I've heard a lot of cockneys struggling to say Manchester United - It just comes out "Manchenited" - Listen to Ray Parlour on Talksport he nails that mispronunciation.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:16 pm

I could "of" instead of I could " have "
does my head in.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:13 pm

So, at the start of any answer.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:27 pm

the past participle being replaced by the past simple form of the verb, ala Alan Shearer example above really is poor and someone should say. It isn't about evolving the language, it's just wrong! I SHOULD HAVE WENT WHEN I COULD HAVE DID! No, no, no!

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:33 pm

conyoviejo wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:16 pm
I could "of" instead of I could " have "
does my head in.

Careful. Happens in here does that.

Carport · Post by **Carport** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:39 pm

CrispyClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:49 am
It’s pluralising I can’t stand. Your David Beckhams, Manchester United’s etc.

Manchesters. The one that gets me is the inappropriate use of apostrophes in plurals. Why do people insist on putting an apostrophe before the final ‘s’ in plurals like plural’s?

Carport · Post by **Carport** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:44 pm

Carport wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:39 pm
Manchesters. The one that gets me is the inappropriate use of apostrophes in plurals. Why do people insist on putting an apostrophe before the final ‘s’ in plurals like plural’s?

Whoops. Meant to say Uniteds not Manchesters. Message to self. Stop being hyper critical of others if you can’t get it right yourself.

Dressinggown · Post by **Dressinggown** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:27 pm

Language and dialect constantly evolves.

'Aswell' is now singular instead of 'As Well'.

'Called it' is now used across all media to replace 'Called it off' when referring to an official decision to abandon / postpone a match.

'F*cking Covid' is another recent addition to our repertoire of general statements.

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:45 pm

Wait a few years and a lot of it will be gone and replaced by some other nonsense.
If you watch some of the 60's 70's American films, you hear them coming out with all sorts of bollerks thinking it's cool. Mainly in the descriptions of women, of course, but then the language matched the great flares, sleeveless t-shirts, lashings of brylcream applied to George best hair.

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:13 pm

RMutt wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:14 am
Regional accents are brilliant, but the silly affected fashionable ones really wind me up. The Australian inflection one, but particularly the stating statements with ‘so’ one. I’ve even seen that starting to be written now.
There is a particular football speak one with the tenses all mixed up that’s very popular, in fact Sean Dyche tends to use it.

Plus all the mis-pronouncing of definite and indefinite articles and the continual use of aye. BBC have instructed all mature presenters to "speak youngef".

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:56 am

It's catching! Watch Matt Lowton's pre-Villa interview at 2:00 minutes.

"He's done well since he's came in"

StuffyClaret · Post by **StuffyClaret** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:11 am

When I moved here from Manchester back in 1981, I struggled to come to terms with the use of 'well' instead of 'very' in the local dialect. For example, if you like something, it is 'well good' or if something is rather large, it is 'well big'.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:18 am

StuffyClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:11 am
When I moved here from Manchester back in 1981, I struggled to come to terms with the use of 'well' instead of 'very' in the local dialect. For example, if you like something, it is 'well good' or if something is rather large, it is 'well big'.

I think you may have brought that from Manchester with you

SouthamptonClaret · Post by **SouthamptonClaret** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:26 am

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:49 am
Arksed myself this very question the other day ...

Also why do (so called) pundits such as Alex Scott and Clinton (other supermarkets are available) Morrison use the word "Arksed" instead of "asked"

I think it's derived from Caribbean dialects. Could be wrong though. I've only met one person who said it and her mum was Jamaican.