GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:05 am

https://twitter.com/PhilBlundell/status ... d1yCw&s=19

Have a read of that explanation about yesterday's yellow for Kane and red for Robertson and you'll see the issue.

RammyClaret61 wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:12 am

Not a single word of that makes any sense whatsoever.

welsbyswife wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:20 am

We need to move beyond the same old "blame the ref" position. Cheating is endemic in football. Players deliberately set out to cheat and yet they get no blame whatsoever. I noticed 3 or 4 incidents over the weekends where players went down holding their heads. Clearly deliberately so the ref would stop the game. The replays showed the incidents involved no collision with the head at all. Yet the pundits never say anything. Why? Because they are all ex players in the same club.

Dele Alli deliberately threw himself on the ground to try and win a penalty. Did he get criticised for cheating? No.

So we have a sport where people deliberately set out to con the ref but then become outraged when he occasionally makes a decision they don't agree with. The whole thing is mixed up. VAR makes no difference. It actually makes it worse.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:20 am

Dermot Gallagher will be on Sky shortly and, in effect, he's representing PGMOL so will be worth listening to his interpretation of the events of yesterday.

A week ago we had penalties being given that were incorrect, this week we've had the reverse.

I thought Newcastle should have had a pen, I thought Liverpool should and I remain totally bemused that Kane wasn't sent off.

On Riley - I've been in meetings with him recently and he does come across very well but things are clearly not right.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:02 pm

Dermot Gallagher's view were that the Newcastle and Liverpool penalty claims should have been pens. Interesting his thoughts on why VAR didn't intervene on the potential red card for Kane. He said the VAR official (Kavanagh) will have seen the same as the on field referee (Tierney) because they are coached in the same way. Gallagher did think it was a red card though.

The two Spurs pen claims he said weren't pens - correct in my view - and he did think Xhaka was fortunate not to be sent off at Leeds.

claretyke wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:21 pm

People on here that are old enough to remember Mike Riley when he was a referee will not be surprised at the standard of refs and decisions of var that he is in charge of, because when he was refereeing he was cr@p

claretyke wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:21 pm

People on here that are old enough to remember Mike Riley when he was a referee will not be surprised at the standard of refs and decisions of var that he is in charge of, because when he was refereeing he was cr@p

welsbyswife wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:29 am

And some of the behaviour on the touchline towards the officials is ridiculous. Klopp is a disgrace.

welsbyswife wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:20 am

We need to move beyond the same old "blame the ref" position. Cheating is endemic in football. Players deliberately set out to cheat and yet they get no blame whatsoever. I noticed 3 or 4 incidents over the weekends where players went down holding their heads. Clearly deliberately so the ref would stop the game. The replays showed the incidents involved no collision with the head at all. Yet the pundits never say anything. Why? Because they are all ex players in the same club.

Dele Alli deliberately threw himself on the ground to try and win a penalty. Did he get criticised for cheating? No.

So we have a sport where people deliberately set out to con the ref but then become outraged when he occasionally makes a decision they don't agree with. The whole thing is mixed up. VAR makes no difference. It actually makes it worse.

welsbyswife wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:20 am

We need to move beyond the same old "blame the ref" position. Cheating is endemic in football. Players deliberately set out to cheat and yet they get no blame whatsoever. I noticed 3 or 4 incidents over the weekends where players went down holding their heads. Clearly deliberately so the ref would stop the game. The replays showed the incidents involved no collision with the head at all. Yet the pundits never say anything. Why? Because they are all ex players in the same club.

Dele Alli deliberately threw himself on the ground to try and win a penalty. Did he get criticised for cheating? No.

So we have a sport where people deliberately set out to con the ref but then become outraged when he occasionally makes a decision they don't agree with. The whole thing is mixed up. VAR makes no difference. It actually makes it worse.

corporal jones wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:38 pm

How can any Burnley fan criticise another teams manager for whinging and whining when we have an olympic standard moaner in our technical area. OK so you don't like Klopp, but how would you have reacted if those decisions had gone against us in that manner? The assault by Krul on VYdra was difficult to understand but the Jotta non penalty was just ridiculous

welsbyswife wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:51 pm

I wouldn't have been happy with those decisions but I don't understand the desire for perfection in every decision. I'm quite happy to play the game, let the ref get on with it as best he can, shake hands and move on. It's a football match that's all. Those seeking perfection in refereeing decisions are set for a lifetime of disappointment. They hoped VAR would sort it. Nope. Just the same arguments but now over the use of technology. It won't stop. I'd much rather scrap VAR, let the ref handle it but penalise players/ clubs retrospectively for deliberate cheating. And very severely as well.