UTC & Reporting on Burnley Women FC

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:55 pm

Why doesnt uptheclarets not report on the women's team?
There are always articles and info on the youth teams and U23s but nothing on the women.
Why not?
Not very inclusive or a good image on presenting another team under the Burnley FC banner.

Mattster · Post by **Mattster** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:58 pm

You volunteering?

You'd have to work on not using double negatives, mind.

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:03 pm

Is there enough interest ? I know I’m not interested

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:04 pm

I'm not interested, I'm not interested in the e-Sports either.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:06 pm

Its a Burnley FC board not a ladies football team board.Why should it have a Burnley ladies team report on it..?

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:07 pm

Signed up to Tiktok app to watch the BFC ladies matches ... after 4 hrs of incessant notifications of Tiktok videos I sacked Tiktok ...

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:22 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:55 pm
Why doesnt uptheclarets not report on the women's team?
There are always articles and info on the youth teams and U23s but nothing on the women.
Why not?
Not very inclusive or a good image on presenting another team under the Burnley FC banner.

There are articles on the youth & under 23 teams because I’ve always had a strong interest in them and go to the games when I can because it gives me the opportunity to see players who might step up to the first team one day.

I have no interest in the women’s team at all.

Sorry it doesn’t suit your agenda on inclusivity and good images but it’s how it is.

CaptainKirk · Post by **CaptainKirk** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:26 pm

That told him!

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:31 pm

Nothing against women’s football at all, I just don’t follow it, I might do once my daughters a little older as my eldest has just started playing, I rarely read about the youth teams either to be fair

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:35 pm

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:03 pm
Is there enough interest ? I know I’m not interested

Does anyone really have any interest in U18s footy? Do you know any of the names of the players, league position, who our strikers are?
Don't think anyone apart from a few hardcore follow the youth teams so I don't think there's that much interest there either.
It's not a question of interest, it's a Burnley FC club site covering all things about Burnley: history, youth teams, First team squad, etc.
I'm just surprised the women's team isn't covered seeing as it is now a part of the club.
Some would see it as sexism!

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:37 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:22 pm
There are articles on the youth & under 23 teams because I’ve always had a strong interest in them and go to the games when I can because it gives me the opportunity to see players who might step up to the first team one day.

I have no interest in the women’s team at all.

Sorry it doesn’t suit your agenda on inclusivity and good images but it’s how it is.

Fair enough. No agenda here. Just wondering why it wasn't covered seeing as every other aspect of the club is.
If you aren't interested then you aren't interested. Shame. Some would see that as a negative thing for inclusivity. Why not support the women's game?

Claretmisterg · Post by **Claretmisterg** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:41 pm

UTC is not a club site. It is a fans forum. The official club site reports on the women’s team. As regards this site it’s down to the personal choice of the organisers. There’s nothing to stop members initiating threads to discuss the women’s team and their games etc.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:48 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:37 pm
Fair enough. No agenda here. Just wondering why it wasn't covered seeing as every other aspect of the club is.
If you aren't interested then you aren't interested. Shame. Some would see that as a negative thing for inclusivity. Why not support the women's game?

Why is it seen as a negative? I have absolutely no interest at all in the women’s game, have no interest in Burnley FC Women and would never think of attending one of their games, let alone report on one. I really done understand this ‘some would see that as a negative thing for inclusivity’ at all.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:56 pm

but why have you no interest in it? It's under Burnley FC, it's football, and we're all here for things Burnley related. What is it that you don't like about it?
I appreciate it's not a club site but a Tony Scholes site. Fair enough and he can do what he wants. No argument. I'm just wondering why it isn't covered seeing as everything else, and I mean everything else, even jobs in various departments get articles written about them. But zilch on the women's game. No interest. OK, why not?

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:57 pm

It’s probably just part of the agenda he doesn’t have….

Nice to come on here and be able to select what I want to read, rather than have it forced upon me. Long may this continue.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:58 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:35 pm
Does anyone really have any interest in U18s footy? Do you know any of the names of the players, league position, who our strikers are?
Don't think anyone apart from a few hardcore follow the youth teams so I don't think there's that much interest there either.
It's not a question of interest, it's a Burnley FC club site covering all things about Burnley: history, youth teams, First team squad, etc.
I'm just surprised the women's team isn't covered seeing as it is now a part of the club.
Some would see it as sexism!

If this is an attempt to volunteer to cover the women's side of the game, you probably need to PM Tony rather than making an oblique announcement like this.

aclaretinstevenage · Post by **aclaretinstevenage** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:58 pm

Another with absolutely no interest in womens football. I wouldn't watch it if it was in my back garden.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:59 pm

bobinho wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:57 pm
It’s probably just part of the agenda he doesn’t have….

Nice to come on here and be able to select what I want to read, rather than have it forced upon me. Long may this continue.

You can still select to not read it if it is on here. you do know that, don't you?
Just because it's on here doesn't mean it is forced upon you! haha

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:01 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:56 pm
but why have you no interest in it? It's under Burnley FC, it's football, and we're all here for things Burnley related. What is it that you don't like about it?
I appreciate it's not a club site but a Tony Scholes site. Fair enough and he can do what he wants. No argument. I'm just wondering why it isn't covered seeing as everything else, and I mean everything else, even jobs in various departments get articles written about them. But zilch on the women's game. No interest. OK, why not?

Stop trolling. You can't in one post say that no-one is interested in under 18's football and then complain that someone (who clearly is interested in under 18's football) isn't interested in women's football. It's illogical and can only be because you're trying to stir.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:03 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:56 pm
but why have you no interest in it? It's under Burnley FC, it's football, and we're all here for things Burnley related. What is it that you don't like about it?
I appreciate it's not a club site but a Tony Scholes site. Fair enough and he can do what he wants. No argument. I'm just wondering why it isn't covered seeing as everything else, and I mean everything else, even jobs in various departments get articles written about them. But zilch on the women's game. No interest. OK, why not?

There are a lot of things I don’t have an interest in both within and outside football. I have absolutely no interest in women’s football.

Do I now have to start explaining to you why I don’t have an interest in various things? You are going to be very disappointed if you think I am.

Your last post, the one I’m quoting, is patronising at best and verging on insulting.

But one last time.

I HAVE NO INTEREST IN WOMEN’S FOOTBALL

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:05 pm

aclaretinstevenage wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:58 pm
Another with absolutely no interest in womens football. I wouldn't watch it if it was in my back garden.

He insults me yet likes your post but I’m with you, very strange. I’d draw the curtains if they were playing in my garden.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:05 pm

I understand the view, but I think your statement is incorrect about the youth teams. There are regularly posts about the U23s, especially when the stream is on it can reach 100 comments.

Womens football in my opinion is a completely different sport, there’s very little intensity and it’s very slow to watch.

If you feel so strongly why don’t you watch the games and do a mini report and post it on here? I don’t imagine anyone will have a problem with it.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:06 pm

dsr wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:01 pm
Stop trolling. You can't in one post say that no-one is interested in under 18's football and then complain that someone (who clearly is interested in under 18's football) isn't interested in women's football. It's illogical and can only be because you're trying to stir.

Where did I say noone is interested in U18s? I said there's a few hardcore who follow it but I'd hazard a guess that the majority on here don't.
Again, I'm not complaining. Can people not read? I'm just asking why there aren't occasional pieces on the women's progress seeing as it is now under Burnley FC?
I have understood CT isn't into it and he writes all the articles. Fine. I'm not arguing that. It'd be interesting to know why though.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:08 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:06 pm
Where did I say noone is interested in U18s? I said there's a few hardcore who follow it but I'd hazard a guess that the majority on here don't.
Again, I'm not complaining. Can people not read? I'm just asking why there aren't occasional pieces on the women's progress seeing as it is now under Burnley FC?
I have understood CT isn't into it and he writes all the articles. Fine. I'm not arguing that. It'd be interesting to know why though.

Are you completely stupid or just trying to cause trouble?

Why on earth do you or should you be interested in what I like and don’t like?

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:14 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:35 pm
Does anyone really have any interest in U18s footy? Do you know any of the names of the players, league position, who our strikers are?
Don't think anyone apart from a few hardcore follow the youth teams so I don't think there's that much interest there either.
It's not a question of interest, it's a Burnley FC club site covering all things about Burnley: history, youth teams, First team squad, etc.
I'm just surprised the women's team isn't covered seeing as it is now a part of the club.
Some would see it as sexism!

They may not know the names of all the players but people have an interest in the clubs u18/u23 as there is a possibility that the players that feature in those teams could play for the first team.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:17 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:35 pm
Does anyone really have any interest in U18s footy? Do you know any of the names of the players, league position, who our strikers are?
Don't think anyone apart from a few hardcore follow the youth teams so I don't think there's that much interest there either.
It's not a question of interest, it's a Burnley FC club site covering all things about Burnley: history, youth teams, First team squad, etc.
I'm just surprised the women's team isn't covered seeing as it is now a part of the club.
Some would see it as sexism!

I take it you werent one of the 3,000 Burnley fans who went away to Ewood to support the Under 18s a few years back, or one of the 10,000 who watched the return leg on The Turf ?

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:21 pm

You can tell the schools are on holiday.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:23 pm

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:17 pm
I take it you werent one of the 3,000 Burnley fans who went away to Ewood to support the Under 18s a few years back, or one of the 10,000 who watched the return leg on The Turf ?

I wasn't, no. Was that because it was against Blackburn by any chance? How many went the game before/after?

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:24 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:56 pm
but why have you no interest in it? It's under Burnley FC, it's football, and we're all here for things Burnley related. What is it that you don't like about it?
I appreciate it's not a club site but a Tony Scholes site. Fair enough and he can do what he wants. No argument. I'm just wondering why it isn't covered seeing as everything else, and I mean everything else, even jobs in various departments get articles written about them. But zilch on the women's game. No interest. OK, why not?

Hi diamondpocket, I'm with you on this. Burnley Women are part of Burnley Football Club - and that's a good thing. It was wrong of the FA to ban women playing football back in 1921 (yes, that was more than 3 decades before I was born). It would have been good growing up when both boys and girls could play football. OK, so today the women's game has a lot of catching up to do. I'm pleased that Alan Pace and ALK are supporting the women's game. It's a little bit of good coming back from the "new world" to the old.

I'm down in south west London. Chelsea women are my nearest professional team. Some day I'd expect my daughter to take her daughters to watch a women's game. I'd be happy to go along with them. A few months back I was thrilled and surprised to see my 4 year old granddaughter doing step overs before shooting. She's playing football along with her reception year class mates.

We've already got female referees and assistant referees at the top level in the men's game. For some time there've been females in club ownership and director roles. There are female physios and females in other football club support roles. We are all used to female presenters and pundits commenting on the men's game - and achieving the same standards than their male counterparts. It cant be that far off a female being appointed as manager/coach of an EFL team. Maybe, some day, one or more of the Premier League teams will have female coaches.

UTC

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:27 pm

I think CT now officially owns diamondpocket

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:31 pm

Paul Waine wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:24 pm
Hi diamondpocket, I'm with you on this. Burnley Women are part of Burnley Football Club - and that's a good thing. It was wrong of the FA to ban women playing football back in 1921 (yes, that was more than 3 decades before I was born). It would have been good growing up when both boys and girls could play football. OK, so today the women's game has a lot of catching up to do. I'm pleased that Alan Pace and ALK are supporting the women's game. It's a little bit of good coming back from the "new world" to the old.

I'm down in south west London. Chelsea women are my nearest professional team. Some day I'd expect my daughter to take her daughters to watch a women's game. I'd be happy to go along with them. A few months back I was thrilled and surprised to see my 4 year old granddaughter doing step overs before shooting. She's playing football along with her reception year class mates.

We've already got female referees and assistant referees at the top level in the men's game. For some time there've been females in club ownership and director roles. There are female physios and females in other football club support roles. We are all used to female presenters and pundits commenting on the men's game - and achieving the same standards than their male counterparts. It cant be that far off a female being appointed as manager/coach of an EFL team. Maybe, some day, one or more of the Premier League teams will have female coaches.

UTC

No you are not with diamondpocket. You are promoting women in the game, which is fair enough. This thread was started to have a go at me for not reporting on Burnley FC Women.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:32 pm

It's a shame the thread has gone as it is. My opening question wasn't a troll or intended to be controversial. It was genuine as to why there's no coverage seeing as it's a Burnley FC fan page. We came to the conclusion that it's because it's a fan site, run mainly by CT, who does an outstanding job. No arguments there. I just wanted to understand why. I'm weird like that it seems, wanting to understand people's reasons.
Looking at other posts, I'm guessing it's because the footy's deemed crap and who knows what else.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:34 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:23 pm
I wasn't, no. Was that because it was against Blackburn by any chance? How many went the game before/after?

Would similar numbers watch Burnley Women v Blackburn women then ?

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:35 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:08 pm
Are you completely stupid or just trying to cause trouble?

Why on earth do you or should you be interested in what I like and don’t like?

You got a Stalker

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:36 pm

Freedom of choice means you can always go and set up a BFC women’s fans site and forum. Most on here want to read about the men’s team. I find women’s football a poor spectacle and feel the top level is piggy backing the men’s game. If it’s popular it should do well in its own right.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:36 pm

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:17 pm
I take it you werent one of the 3,000 Burnley fans who went away to Ewood to support the Under 18s a few years back, or one of the 10,000 who watched the return leg on The Turf ?

I went to both games, the only youth team games I've ever attended

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:38 pm

Women's football is really poor, it's almost a different sport entirely. There's a reason it can't even leech much viewership wise from the mens game even with the huge 'ram it down your neck 2021 inclusive'' spiel.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:40 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:31 pm
No you are not with diamondpocket. You are promoting women in the game, which is fair enough. This thread was started to have a go at me for not reporting on Burnley FC Women.

No, it wasn't. It was just a question as to why there isn't news about the girls on here. You answered. I asked why.You said you're not interested. I asked why. You had a hissy fit. End of. Topic's finished for me.

It's a shame. I'm sure the women would appreciate some coverage on the main fan site for Burnley fans. But most people aren't interested so I guess you don't feel the need to inform people. Cool.

RalphCoatesComb · Post by **RalphCoatesComb** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:42 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:56 pm
but why have you no interest in it? It's under Burnley FC, it's football, and we're all here for things Burnley related. What is it that you don't like about it?
I appreciate it's not a club site but a Tony Scholes site. Fair enough and he can do what he wants. No argument. I'm just wondering why it isn't covered seeing as everything else, and I mean everything else, even jobs in various departments get articles written about them. But zilch on the women's game. No interest. OK, why not?

I believe the point was made earlier. Want a report on Women's football at t'Turf, then go ahead and report on it. I'm sure it won't get taken down. Looks like you're looking for an argument that isn't there.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:44 pm

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:36 pm
Freedom of choice means you can always go and set up a BFC women’s fans site and forum. Most on here want to read about the men’s team. I find women’s football a poor spectacle and feel the top level is piggy backing the men’s game. If it’s popular it should do well in its own right.

Or I am sure if someone wants to watch the Women's games they could write a report and posts it and it is in my opinion not the responsibility of the site owners/producers to do a report on the Women's games.
I used to watch my daughter play until she did her cruciate, but that was because she played, not because the women's game was of interest to me and totally agree with what you have wrote.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:49 pm

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:34 pm
Would similar numbers watch Burnley Women v Blackburn women then ?

who cares. It's not a competition. Just because they all went for a one off game doesn't mean there's that much interest. Again, how many have regularly gone to youth games, cup games over the years, on average? That's the real measure.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:54 pm

So, CT, just for confirmation. If I wanted to write articles every now and then on the progress of the ladies team, would you mind putting them up?
I can't get to the games coz I don't live near enough to be able to do it but I can still follow from afar. What d'ya say?

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:55 pm

Like Tony and I think quite a few others, I have no interest in the women's game, and I don't want to see posts on the subject on this forum. I've no objection if there was a separate forum to cover this.

I believe there are Facebook and Twitter pages you can look at.

This site came about after a reaction to the problems on ClaretMad. It was set up by CT and others and has been well run for nearly six years. They are perfectly entitled to set the agenda for what is and is not wanted.

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:58 pm

Reports on matches you don’t attend ? Do you work for The Sun ?

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:31 pm
No you are not with diamondpocket. You are promoting women in the game, which is fair enough. This thread was started to have a go at me for not reporting on Burnley FC Women.

Hi CT, I guess there's stuff I'm not aware of. I didn't see the OP as having a go at you, or anyone on the mb. Thanks for your "fair enough."

A lot of stress around at the moment. We've all missed the Watford and Villa games, especially the chance to see the club move up the league. And, then there's all this non-footballing stuff messing with what we all want to do. I can understand why some express a little of their stress by posting on a mb.

We've got a great community here on UptheClarets and the BeeHoleEnd. That's down to you. Thanks for setting it up and running it all these years.

UTC

Paul Waine · Post by **Paul Waine** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:04 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:49 pm
who cares. It's not a competition. Just because they all went for a one off game doesn't mean there's that much interest. Again, how many have regularly gone to youth games, cup games over the years, on average? That's the real measure.

I was at the FA Youth Cup final at Turf Moor in 1968. That was a great night.

That's the only u18 I've been on.

UTC

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:10 pm

Hipper wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:55 pm
Like Tony and I think quite a few others, I have no interest in the women's game, and I don't want to see posts on the subject on this forum. I've no objection if there was a separate forum to cover this.

I believe there are Facebook and Twitter pages you can look at.

This site came about after a reaction to the problems on ClaretMad. It was set up by CT and others and has been well run for nearly six years. They are perfectly entitled to set the agenda for what is and is not wanted.

I don't like or even understand why people would post images of their dogs , some dressed in ridiculous fashion.(the dogs as well) but that thread has been allowed to stay on here.
I'd imagine a women's football match/news review would be a darn sight more relevant if anyone were have a go at covering it.

diamondpocket · Post by **diamondpocket** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:12 pm

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:58 pm
Reports on matches you don’t attend ? Do you work for The Sun ?

ever heard of technology? tiktok by any chance? or you still living in the dark ages?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:14 pm

I think women's football is about as interesting as men's netball would be

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:16 pm

diamondpocket wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:37 pm
Fair enough. No agenda here. Just wondering why it wasn't covered seeing as every other aspect of the club is.
If you aren't interested then you aren't interested. Shame. Some would see that as a negative thing for inclusivity. Why not support the women's game?

Mainly because it’s rubbish, like many other I have no interest as it’s not very competitive.

Just to show that point the Brazil national women’s side played a pro teams under 16’s, they got beat 8-0. Says it all really.

Good luck to them and I hope they enjoy every success.