• Nail your colours to the mast

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:02 pm**

I think we stay up but that was a body blow.

Need to massively freshen up the squad.

I stick with Dyche regardless of whether he takes us down (particularly) or keeps us up!

I back him to survive or get us back up. But that is when the discussion starts.
Make no mistake - that was a game we should have been more competitive today but we fell short.

Signings and belief otherwise it's back to doing the hard mile in the Championship.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:03 pm**

A vote for Mr D and the squad.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:05 pm**

Down and a change of manager (but only because I sincerely think Dyche’s heart won’t be in it 100% for another crack at the Championship)

Make a good managerial appointment, clear out a lot of the deadwood and we can have a successful season next year. We’d be one of the favourites to bounce straight back and rightly so.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:05 pm**

IanMcL wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:03 pm
A vote for Mr D and the squad.

Seconded

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:06 pm**

I do hope he keeps us up but after todays massive defeat i am struggling to see it, we have the oldest team playing, plenty out of contract and leaving, if we go down cannot see any way back lacking any kind of ideas, needs to start by playing full strength in cup to try and get some confidence back.
Keep the faith and hope we can finish 4th bottom and go next year

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:06 pm**

I am totally in this camp

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:06 pm**

We are supporters so support.
We all have players we love and players we wouldn’t have near the team but that is the managers job. That first win of the season sets you up for the year. Throwing 5 points away against Brighton & Leeds was a disaster. It is all confidence and we have none.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:06 pm**

Definitely going down but hopefully Dyche will stay and rebuild. Bloody b******ds will go up too just to rub the salt in

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:06 pm**

I don’t think Dyche should go. Mainly because I can’t see us attracting anyone decent at this time of year given the position we’re in.

I think we’re going down though. We’re a very poor side now relative to our competition, as demonstrated by rancid results over a full year and a defeat today to a Leeds side with several injuries to key players.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:08 pm**

Going down. Keep Dyche and get reinforcements pronto.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:08 pm**

Crazy to change manager even if relegated
SD would be the best man to get us out of the Championship

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:11 pm**

Looking at recent performances this transfer window is pivotal. So therefore I’m not optimistic.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:11 pm**

Where there is hope you feel you always have a chance.But alas this season I feel we are going down I will always support Burnley whichever division we will be in .But this season is so far the most depressing one I've witnessed and that includes the dark days of the 80's.I don't think I have ever thought we may not win a game again in a season but im feeling like that at the moment

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:12 pm**

Going down - 100%.

The squad is stale, unfit, old and (in some cases) lazy. Too many are out of contract and know they’re done at Burnley, and probably happy to see that they don’t need to suffer a wage reduction as they can walk out on us.

Dyche to stay, for me. His credit in the bank is still there and let us remember his record please in the Championship. We owe him the first 3-6 months of that campaign as much as he owes us to stay and keep his strong jaw high. What this season has proven is that we are the right match - Dyche is not ‘too good for us’ as I think, at times, he has come across as believing in his media work. There is a fork in the road now but I hope both the club and the manager choose the same path.

We will come back up with Dyche in charge, and with a whole load of stale performers leaving the club. I’d also sell Tarky this window whilst we can still get £15m or so, and if someone’s willing to give us £25m+ for McNeil get that done too. Let’s prepare for the league below and perhaps get a few in with an eye on that league. I’d chat with Vydra and see if he’s willing to sign a deal for a year on the basis that he’s lethal in that league, if not, get him flogged too for whatever pennies we can get.

Time to be radical and forward thinking.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:13 pm**

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:13 pm**

Real sickener today. We have been here before. We looked dead and buried against Everton on Boxing Day a few years ago.
We will stay up.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:14 pm**

He has to go

But, he won't walk and Pace won't sack him

Just pray another club comes in for him when the inevitable happens and we go down

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:14 pm**

Guller Bull wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:02 pm
I think we stay up but that was a body blow.

I don't think we'll stay up. Our points per game tally over that last 12 months has been woeful, and the change in form would have to be astronomic.

I've always said that Dyche deserves another go at getting us out of the Championship should we go down, but now I'm also in two minds about that.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:15 pm**

DAVETHEVICAR wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:08 pm
Crazy to change manager even if relegated
SD would be the best man to get us out of the Championship

50% of me agrees but then the ither 50% is tired of seeing what Dyche offers up as a standard of football, which is not all his problem as past transfer windows have seriously affected his hand but its the defensive 442 and long ball to channels, and the mantra of legs hearts mind is definitely no longer on show with the squad, they don't seem to be able to even pass a ball to each other.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:15 pm**

Back to back relegations Sunderland style with a Netflix documentary thrown in for next season.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:16 pm**

we just got panned by a team with half of their first team missing. Anyone who genuinely thinks we are staying up I would love to know your thought process. We haven't looked a team since Fulham away last season

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:16 pm**

Might nail my season ticket to a mast

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:17 pm**

I'd stick with SD with a good transfer window because who else do we get? However, I was firmly a "In Dyche We Trust" camp but I don't think he can get a tune out of this set of players. We're not playing too badly, Man Utd I'd say we were very good. However, we're not winning so the system/tactics/personnel is/are not working and change is needed which SD doesn't seem to be able to do. This reminds me a little of the end of Stan Ternant's time as manager. Things have gone very stale.

I have to say though I don't blame SD for this current mess. Mike Garlick shouldn't be allowed near the place again. Him & his board ran this club into the ground for the sake of lining their own pockets. For all the years of banking the Prem money what have we to show for it? NOTHING!

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:19 pm**

I’ll back the Gaffer but he has to call this out for what it is and we need help this window now! This today is body blow, I really fancied us to turn up which is probably why it feels so dispiriting now

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:19 pm**

Dyche to stay for me, though I’d hope and expect that a rebuild would bring with it a better style of football.

I think we’ve lost our identity - we’re no longer hard to beat, our pressing and making it difficult for the opposition has been on the wain for a long time and as for creativity, it’s bordering on non-existent.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:20 pm**

i fully appreciate the magnificent job Sean Dyche has done for the club maintaining our Premier League status over the years and he will always be a BFC legend to me but I now think its time to move on.

Not sure a new manager will keep us up - probably not - but we need a change to put new life into the club.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:21 pm**

The team selection today and use of bench was awful today
Collins and Roberts need to start next game as does Vyds and Jay
Jack Cork is allegedly playing for new deal ?
Why did Erik and Dale not start in midfield
We should have raised our game when Max scored not gutlessesly rolling over.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:21 pm**

100% Dyche to stay, but we do need some new bodies and quick

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:33 pm**

I want him to stay and rebuild the squad . Start again , we will have some money and some good young players . Sell who we have to and crack on . Maybe a drop down will be good way to do it . Getting rid of Sean will destabilise us too much . Let him have a crack at building a new team .

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:37 pm**

ClaretAL wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:15 pm
50% of me agrees but then the ither 50% is tired of seeing what Dyche offers up as a standard of football, which is not all his problem as past transfer windows have seriously affected his hand but its the defensive 442 and long ball to channels, and the mantra of legs hearts mind is definitely no longer on show with the squad, they don't seem to be able to even pass a ball to each other.

60% passing accuracy today.. that's awful

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:41 pm**

Woonderbah wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:37 pm
60% passing accuracy today.. that's awful

Of which most will be back to Henessey

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:43 pm**

Dixie Normous wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:33 pm
I want him to stay and rebuild the squad . Start again , we will have some money and some good young players . Sell who we have to and crack on . Maybe a drop down will be good way to do it . Getting rid of Sean will destabilise us too much . Let him have a crack at building a new team .

Agreed. We're not down yet but if we do drop then there is nobody better than SD to get us back up...IF HE WANTS TO STAY !!!!!

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:49 pm**

I've asked this question before and not had it answered - how many times under Dyche (in the Prem) have we lost the first goal and then come back to win?
Apart from Villa (home) last year, I can't recall any.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:51 pm**

Get a new managerial setup in before the end of Jan and take it from there.
Stick with SD we are down already

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:54 pm**

We're 100% going down but I still back Dyche.

He's been put in a near-impossible position every season given our resources compared to those around us.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:57 pm**

We don't need a poll for this. The Dyche Out brigade are all over this forum, especially after a bad performance.

Thankfully, Alan Pace and Associates decide who is at the helm.

There is plenty of time to pull this around but, it will be done the Dean Dyche way and not "We've got Billions and will spend ourselves out of this" (à la Newcastle United).

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:01 pm**

alf_resco wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:49 pm
I've asked this question before and not had it answered - how many times under Dyche (in the Prem) have we lost the first goal and then come back to win?
Apart from Villa (home) last year, I can't recall any.

You know the answer, not many.
But I'm not sure it's relevant where our entire identity used to be about taking the lead and defending it to FT. When it worked we won, when we conceded we lost. It served us well many seasons.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:02 pm**

Gone. Absolutely gone.

That’s not a lack of support, I went today and supported the lads throughout. I will continue to do so. That’s me staring facts in the face and accepting the inevitable. By all means you bury your head in the sand and wait for the big fella….

Lack of investment over the past three years will prove to have been the nail in the coffin.

It’s all Well and good people coming out with shite like “I would rather have gone down with garlick in charge than these” but ultimately there would have been no need to go down at all had garlick and his cronies supported the manager properly at the right time.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:06 pm**

RalphCoatesComb wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:57 pm
We don't need a poll for this. The Dyche Out brigade are all over this forum, especially after a bad performance.

Thankfully, Alan Pace and Associates decide who is at the helm.

There is plenty of time to pull this around but, it will be done the Dean Dyche way and not "We've got Billions and will spend ourselves out of this" (à la Newcastle United).

To be fair, I don’t think AMYONE is advocating spending our way out of it….. I’m sure everyone knows this can’t be done. The damage has been done long before pace turned up….

Times run out for me I’m afraid…. Had we got all three today, there would be hope and belief. We got shafted by a Relegation rival. It’s over.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:07 pm**

100% gone. We are a terribly coached team for the league we compete in.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:09 pm**

CombatClaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:01 pm
You know the answer, not many.
But I'm not sure it's relevant where our entire identity used to be about taking the lead and defending it to FT. When it worked we won, when we conceded we lost. It served us well many seasons.

Actually, I don't know the answer and would like to know. Sure, it's not many. So it tells us of a pattern over several seasons that we haven't got enough goals/skill/grit/adaptable tactics/ * insert word of choice, to overturn going behind.
In effect, when we lose the first goal, we lose the game.
But I'd like to know the facts/actual percentages.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:09 pm**

There is zero logical basis for thinking we will stay up......add up the total number of goals each player in the squad can be expected to score between now and the end of the season based on all experience and it's just nowhere near enough. Nowhere near. Sadly I have to conclude we are going down. Keep the manager and rebuild as we did in 2013 though this won't be easy and will involve selling at least a couple of the few "crown jewels" we possess.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:11 pm**

Two thoughts. Newcastle are going to try and buy themselves out of trouble. Not saying it will work, but if it does we have to catch teams “3-4 wins” above us to survive.
Secondly, I am usually supremely optimistic, but after suffering defeat today, our ageing squad with quite a number punching above their weight, and the dilemma of the owners considering whether to spend or keep the powder dry, I confess to being deeply worried

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:12 pm**

Hopefully I'll still be around to be a Burnley fan long after all of these are gone (except Kev Long obviously)

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:13 pm**

JohnMac wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:12 pm
Hopefully I'll still be around to be a Burnley fan long after all of these are gone (except Kev Long obviously)

LOL. Kev will get his contract extension.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:14 pm**

Sadly feel this is a season too far. The squad look tired, another yard slower and the manager devoid of ideas to arrest the slide. As for SD, will rightly go down as a BFC legend but all good things come to an end at somepoint and I think we're nearing that time. Very sad watching our fortunes crumble for months on end.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:14 pm**

I saw a clip the other day about Paul Merson and his gambling/addiction habit. He has come through it several times but confessed if he had another setback that he would not have it in him to recover.It sadly drew a parallel with our team and the run of one win in 20 league games

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:17 pm**

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:12 pm
Going down - 100%.

The squad is stale, unfit, old and (in some cases) lazy. Too many are out of contract and know they’re done at Burnley, and probably happy to see that they don’t need to suffer a wage reduction as they can walk out on us.

Dyche to stay, for me. His credit in the bank is still there and let us remember his record please in the Championship. We owe him the first 3-6 months of that campaign as much as he owes us to stay and keep his strong jaw high. What this season has proven is that we are the right match - Dyche is not ‘too good for us’ as I think, at times, he has come across as believing in his media work. There is a fork in the road now but I hope both the club and the manager choose the same path.

We will come back up with Dyche in charge, and with a whole load of stale performers leaving the club. I’d also sell Tarky this window whilst we can still get £15m or so, and if someone’s willing to give us £25m+ for McNeil get that done too. Let’s prepare for the league below and perhaps get a few in with an eye on that league. I’d chat with Vydra and see if he’s willing to sign a deal for a year on the basis that he’s lethal in that league, if not, get him flogged too for whatever pennies we can get.

Time to be radical and forward thinking.

Superb post.

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:19 pm**

Mr Motivator. Dyche's the man. Best we've ever had in the modern era....

Posted: **Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:21 pm**

In defence of SD, you can only play the game with the asset’s at your disposal, and currently he hasn’t many options that enable us to compete at this level.

I can’t see us surviving this season, but if we could refresh the squad with a talented youthful squad in the championship then SD is the man to bring us back.

It might be more than a season to create this new team. But remember there’s a huge gulf between these leagues.

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