Is apparently maximum effort.

Can our team honestly say that this is currently the maximum effort?

The captain sauntering back whilst a goal is scored, players giving up half way into closing down, getting fed up of tracking back. Is this really what our maximum effort is now?

A lot is said of players and their attitudes at Burnley but looking at body language of players recently, something needs an overhaul. Seeing Dyche say that “Leeds were hungrier and wanted it more” is an insult to us as he promised maximum effort. I’ve seen us lose hundreds of games and even stood and applauded our team with thousands of other fans when losing whilst putting in a shift. That’s all I ask for, I’m not bothered which vegan cafe Brownhill goes to or which player has the best taste in music. I want a player who’ll run through brick walls for just a chance to wear that shirt, one that will not give up til the final whistle and one that won’t start having a hissy fit when a ball isn’t played straight to their feet.

It’s getting to a point where the dark cloud is lingering and a simple reminder that you don’t need 11 superstars to compete, just 11 people willing to give more than the 11 they’re facing.

Long season ahead still but we’re still in with a chance if (and it’s a big IF) we can start getting the basics of “Dyche football” right again.

Personally I think most clubs have seen over the past 5 years that by working and pressing hard you can still play good football. Liverpool, city, althetico have all shown this and footballs adapted because of it. Unfortunately our tactics haven't and we've been left behind.

A lot of the team today need to have a long hard look in the mirror
They let us down,Sean down and themselves down and that is totally unacceptable
If they want out they should say so , so we can get players who want to wear the shirt and play with pride and passion

Conroy92 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:53 pm

Personally I think most clubs have seen over the past 5 years that by working and pressing hard you can still play good football. Liverpool, city, althetico have all shown this and footballs adapted because of it. Unfortunately our tactics haven't and we've been left behind.

I don’t mind losing because of bad tactics or not having players as good as others ……. It’s painful seeing what we have not putting the effort in though.

He doesn't make the required changes, a lot of favourites need to be dropped so they get a kick in the right place because there too comfortable and know they won't be dropped.

Mee
Tarky
McNeil
Wood
Westwood
Gudmundsson


That's 6 player's out of 11 that are just not performing

Absolutely spot on assessment , minimum requirement is maximum effort …..Not on show this season which is pretty much the foundation for our performances given our lack of quality in the squad. With this gone we have nothing.

McNeil is frustrating me more than anyone else. He should be playing out of his skin given that this could well be his last season for the manager and club that have him his big chance.

bumba wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:57 pm

He doesn't make the required changes, a lot of favourites need to be dropped so they get a kick in the right place because there too comfortable and know they won't be dropped.

Mee
Tarky
McNeil
Wood
Westwood
Gudmundsson


That's 6 player's out of 11 that are just not performing

But are the backup players coming in for these any better?

the problem is our maximum effort has been matched and surpassed by every other team so it then comes down to ability, and bar a couple the reality is we don't have enough to stay in the league

bf2k wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:58 pm

But are the backup players coming in for these any better?

Probably don't have more quality but might show more fight and effort which will make the players dropped up there game. Can't just carry on as we are

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:00 pm

the problem is our maximum effort has been matched and surpassed by every other team so it then comes own to ability, and bar a couple the reality is we don't have enough to stay in the league

Bar nobody we are the worst team in the league, we will finish bottom

All of the players involved are paid 10s of thousands of pounds every single week. Putting in 100% every week shouldn’t even be questioned, it’s insulting to the average working person who pays their hard earned money to go and watch someone sulk at having potentially the best job on the world . I’m absolutely furious tonight

Or perhaps they were tired after not playing for 2 weeks, then having to play again after less than 3 days?

The other minimum requirement is passing the ball to players wearing the same colour shirt. That was beyond us for most of the match and there wasn’t a fine margin in sight

Get Ash back in asap. Villified on here at times but he puts the effort in and seems to hate losing. It looks like some of the current first picks have lost that and confidence. But ambling back is unacceptable and anyone doing that should be subbed and dropped.

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:08 pm

The other minimum requirement is passing the ball to players wearing the same colour shirt. That was beyond us for most of the match and there wasn’t a fine margin in sight

This always helps too.

Somebody has clearly scribbled out that mantra on the walls of Gawthorpe.

The way I've seen our players lazily walk back after giving the ball away in the last couple of matches has confirmed to me that effort isn't a big deal anymore.

bumba wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:01 pm

Bar nobody we are the worst team in the league, we will finish bottom

No, we won't. Maybe you hope we will but it won't happen. A local lad who plays for the club told me so.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:00 pm

the problem is our maximum effort has been matched and surpassed by every other team so it then comes down to ability, and bar a couple the reality is we don't have enough to stay in the league

Exactly this. We just dont have enough quality in the side.

Conroy92 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:53 pm

Personally I think most clubs have seen over the past 5 years that by working and pressing hard you can still play good football. Liverpool, city, althetico have all shown this and footballs adapted because of it. Unfortunately our tactics haven't and we've been left behind.

You’re comparing our team to Athletico/Liverpool/City ? Superstars are a touch easier to re-work a system than our mainly championship fodder .

Steddyman wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:01 pm

Or perhaps they were tired after not playing for 2 weeks, then having to play again after less than 3 days?

Tired , do me a favour

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:41 pm

No, we won't. Maybe you hope we will but it won't happen. A local lad who plays for the club told me so.

I'll take a £20 bet with you

Lack of leaders at the minute can you imagine Joey Barton putting up with some of the half arsed efforts we saw from certain individuals today.

BFC88 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:42 pm

Exactly this. We just dont have enough quality in the side.

Well, if your game plan depends on high energy and effort you shouldn't be using the oldest starting 11 in the division.

Contracts running down, Dyche saying they lacked commitment says to me he needs to make some changes and move some players on this window.

Any offers in this transfer window for any of our players should be seriously considered

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:49 pm

Lack of leaders at the minute can you imagine Joey Barton putting up with some of the half arsed efforts we saw from certain individuals today.

Discussed this other day with some mates, I said we’re lacking a midfield “general” who can drive those around him on. I can’t put my finger on a viable available player at the minute why would fit the role though for us.

Agree with everything bar the final paragraph bfccrazy……

I don't believe it's lack of effort, I think the body language is because the players think its a lost cause.
Lots of running is only effective if you run with a purpose, we just run around like headless chickens. Very little coordination between individuals.
The biggest concern for all of us, is that this has been going on too long now, and SD has done nothing to address it. Same formation, same tactics, same result. I can't get the vision of General Melchiot out of my head, doing the same as the previous 17 games, is the last thing they'd expect.
Really.
There are things we could try, a new formation. Give a chance to players under utilised such as Roberts and Collins.
It might or might not work, but doing nothing is just a pathetic waste of an opportunity.

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:57 pm

Contracts running down, Dyche saying they lacked commitment says to me he needs to make some changes and move some players on this window.

Any offers in this transfer window for any of our players should be seriously considered

Any other manager quoting his players lacked commitment surely would put heads on the chopping block, let's see next game whether he has a backbone

Just watched Dyche's interview on the BBC.

He's talking about Leeds running with purpose and giving it all they've got. Working hard for each other.

So now even Dyche himself acknowledges that our opposition want it more than we do.

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:22 pm

Just watched Dyche's interview on the BBC.

He's talking about Leeds running with purpose and giving it all they've got. Working hard for each other.

So now even Dyche himself acknowledges that our opposition want it more than we do.

I think him sighting that is more him having a bit of a go at his players and so he well should.

If so then does that mean they are not playing for him? Surely he must have given a good pre-match talk of how important this game was

I’m struggling to find words at the moment the best I can use to describe what I saw today is…. Pathetic…

That can not be good and can not be accepted. The performance after we equalised was truly disgusting.

This one has always hurt that bit more (living and working in Yorkshire) however today I’m not interested in the fact it’s Leeds and the stick I’ll get, it’s the fact that we put in that performance on the back of this whole season. We are doomed, repetitive, clueless and now looking passionless.

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:44 pm

You’re comparing our team to Athletico/Liverpool/City ? Superstars are a touch easier to re-work a system than our mainly championship fodder .

New some idiot would say that Think it's clear that sides over the past few years have progressed there game due to watching top sides like Liverpool, athletico, city all working hard and pressing, it's a facet of the game most teams have now added after seeing the success it can bring. Opposed to maybe 10-15 years ago where the top sides were playing tika taka football. Football evolves. We haven't.

bumba wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:48 pm

I'll take a £20 bet with you

Contact me. I'll take you up on that.

it's what happens when the squad goes stale and there is not enough competition for places

Safron wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:27 pm

If so then does that mean they are not playing for him? Surely he must have given a good pre-match talk of how important this game was

The players shouldn't have needed a pre-match talk, the importance of the game should have spoken for itself, however clearly far too many don't give a s**t that we'll be in the Championship next season, as they won't be sticking around will they.

Equally that doesn't excuse SD from his responsibilities either, and everyone involved in that dire display at ER needs to be held accountable, from the coaches, manager and obviously the players.

At one stage we were safe in the knowledge that we might not have been the most skill full of teams but we certainly were the fittest. I'd like to see data over the last season or so but i'd guess levels have dropped imo.

Conroy92 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 03, 2022 4:37 pm

New some idiot would say that Think it's clear that sides over the past few years have progressed there game due to watching top sides like Liverpool, athletico, city all working hard and pressing, it's a facet of the game most teams have now added after seeing the success it can bring. Opposed to maybe 10-15 years ago where the top sides were playing tika taka football. Football evolves. We haven't.

We simply haven’t had the investment, ( Garlik) which has made it nigh on impossible to implement any sort of press tactic due to a sheer lack of quality . Our starting line up at Leeds was our 2018/19 ( with Defour /Cornet in squad) line up yet 3 yrs older . And with respect to the players most were hardly world beaters in their prime . Elland rd was a shambles
and asking SD to yet again make a silk purse out of a sows ear
could be a step too far .

bfccrazy wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:09 pm

Discussed this other day with some mates, I said we’re lacking a midfield “general” who can drive those around him on. I can’t put my finger on a viable available player at the minute why would fit the role though for us.

Ross Barkley

Problem is given where we are what player(s) would want to come to Burnley?

We're lucky that we have Cornet. I am surprised that Sean when interviewed when asked about Cornet (a couple of times now) he somewhat dismisses Cornet's efforts saying we are not a one man team. Where would we be without his 6 goals?

Meanwhile Cornet's interview on Clarets Player Cornet really did seem to care about our defeat. Does he have any midfield mates in France or elsewhere he can help us bring in?

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SussexDon1inIreland wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:42 pm

We're lucky that we have Cornet. I am surprised that Sean when interviewed when asked about Cornet (a couple of times now) he somewhat dismisses Cornet's efforts saying we are not a one man team. Where would we be without his 6 goals?



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We'd be three points worse off.