Get in the side, score a good few goals, and earn the contract you want elsewhere and leave with our blessing

Isn't he nursing an injury week on week ?

Hernia ?

Not the answer if we want to see goals to keep us up

ŽižkovClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:49 pm

Get in the side, score a good few goals, and earn the contract you want elsewhere and leave with our blessing

He’s set to go in for hernia surgery

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:56 pm

He’s set to go in for hernia surgery

I was hoping I was wrong. Oh well, we are getting down to the bare bones now.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:56 pm

He’s set to go in for hernia surgery

Interesting - they must have a few targets they are confident on then as it leaves us with only Jay Rod fit.

Elizabeth wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:55 pm

Not the answer if we want to see goals to keep us up

Maybe that’s why we let Wood go…

bobinho wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:03 pm

Maybe that’s why we let Wood go…

Our best ever Premier League goalscorer - huge blow today

Had this happened last January, I’d be absolutely gutted/devastated/heartbroken.
Now?
I’d be gutted if it DOESNT go thru at that money….

bobinho wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:12 pm

Had this happened last January, I’d be absolutely gutted/devastated/heartbroken.
Now?
I’d be gutted if it DOESNT go thru at that money….

He’s had a poor run, undoubtedly, but the lack of support from midfield hasn’t helped. Huge, huge gamble to let him go.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:07 pm

Our best ever Premier League goalscorer - huge blow today

Andy Cole?

Vydra, hernia or otherwise, is not the answer. Not a regular scorer in the PL, Championship his level. Say what you want about Wood, and he had his deficiencies, but he was our best and most regular goalscorer.
Needs a big overhaul in the forwards. I’d be potting Barnes and JR in the summer too.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:14 pm

He’s had a poor run, undoubtedly, but the lack of support from midfield hasn’t helped. Huge, huge gamble to let him go.

Not a gamble for me. He hasn't even looked like scoring. We were going down with a whimper. Hopefully, this will shake things up a bit.

Maybe, just maybe he's been a rotten apple that has caused unrest in the camp, hence
the poor attitude by some and performances of late.

Who knows, just a theory ?

Funkydrummer wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:18 pm

Maybe, just maybe he's been the rotten apple that has caused unrest in the camp, hence
the poor attitude and performances of late.

Who knows, just a theory ?

And a theory I can assure you that you need to stop considering. It’s nonsense.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:14 pm

He’s had a poor run, undoubtedly, but the lack of support from midfield hasn’t helped. Huge, huge gamble to let him go.

Been saying it for a few weeks now that lack of supply has been our biggest problem. Think any reflection on his lack of goals this season is more down to this than his ability to score goals.

Been a good servant, will be missed but I can't help but think that we need this money to 'trade' and get new players in.

It comes down to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result - or taking a gamble and doing something different. No guarantees either way and a gamble but I think we have to get better at selling players and knowing when to re-invest. Keeping the same players until they leave for free isn't going to work long term imo

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:20 pm

And a theory I can assure you that you need to stop considering. It’s nonsense.

Why? It's a perfectly reasonable theory.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:14 pm

He’s had a poor run, undoubtedly, but the lack of support from midfield hasn’t helped. Huge, huge gamble to let him go.

He has missed 54 big chances since 2018. The 3rd/4th player in the Premier league over that time.

He has scored goals for us but he should do. He very rarely passes in and around the area.

Right time to sell and great fee. We simply hold on to players too long recently.

Great opportunity to get some young blood in.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:07 pm

Our best ever Premier League goalscorer - huge blow today

He's been awful all season (Wood) and the only reason he gets starts is because our other options (Cornet aside) are worse/constantly injured. That's no basis even for Burnley's own definition of success. Losing him is a blow in the sense that we've lost our most capable striker of the last few years, but this statement makes no room for considering the fact that for a calendar year we've sliding backwards at a frightening rate even with Wood in the side, and selling him expedites a necessary and inevitable rebuild. I've completely lost faith in this squad to keep us up, I honestly have. We need someone as dynamic and hungry and talented as Cornet even to give us a chance of survival, and we now have £20m in the bank to see to that. We've seen the difference just one player can have on how we play, now we get a shot at bringing in another who might elevate us in the way Cornet has, or the way Defour did for instance.

No doubt that Wood has been good for us overall, but there will be a number of factors in this. Firstly his form this season. Replicated in the second half of the season it is not going to keep us up. Secondly, he may also have wanted to go. What then is the point in keeping a player not fully focused. Thirdly, it was probably unlikely he was going to sign another contract and this coupled with turning 30 would have seen a steep decline in his value. I suspect Pace is keen to avoid another Tarkowski situation.

It is a gamble but that's where we are at now

Tried and tested hasn't worked for some time and it really can't get a lot worse

An enforced change to who plays and the way we play might save us

Carrying on in the same vein as the last few months is nailed on relegation form

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:14 pm

He’s had a poor run, undoubtedly, but the lack of support from midfield hasn’t helped. Huge, huge gamble to let him go.

Have we let him go, or has a release fee been met?

There's a lot of conflicting reports, I suppose it'll all come out in the wash.

It's a huge week coming up, so to only have 1 fit striker is a major cause for concern, let's just hope we have some good irons in the fire ( and I think we do )

False 9 it is then....

ClaretAL wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:28 pm

False 9 it is then....

Had to chuckle at this

MACCA wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:26 pm

Have we let him go, or has a release fee been met?

There's a lot of conflicting reports, I suppose it'll all come out in the wash.

It's a huge week coming up, so to only have 1 fit striker is a major cause for concern, let's just hope we have some good irons in the fire ( and I think we do )

Looking as though the clause is summer window only which suggests they’ve actually made an offer that’s acceptable to us.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:20 pm

And a theory I can assure you that you need to stop considering. It’s nonsense.

How so ?

I was suggesting that scenario whereas you are passing that off as fact.

Having said that, I'm not part of the inner circle !!!!

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:39 pm

Looking as though the clause is summer window only which suggests they’ve actually made an offer that’s acceptable to us.

Should that be the case and we have no replacement(s) lined up then I would agree that it amounts to a reckless gamble instead of a smart piece of business. Relying on Rodriguez who has failed to score a PL goal thus far isn't really an option that is credible.

However, as I repeatedly posted during the Summer, our striker situation should have been addressed then when we were 1 of the 3 lowest scoring teams and only a late flurry of goals from Wood helped keep us up.

Funkydrummer wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:46 pm

How so ?

I was suggesting that scenario whereas you are passing that off as fact.

Having said that, I'm not part of the inner circle !!!!

I can assure you that your theory is way off

Funkydrummer wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:18 pm

Maybe, just maybe he's been a rotten apple that has caused unrest in the camp, hence
the poor attitude by some and performances of late.

Who knows, just a theory ?

Mate in the know who previously worked with the players told me that it's quite the opposite. Gets his head down and gets on with things...doesnt appear to be liked though by the management.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:07 pm

Our best ever Premier League goalscorer - huge blow today

Best ever until he stopped a year ago
Get shut. Invest

The more I think about it the more I am coming to the conclusion we are going to build a huge war chest for a serious promotion push next season with a lot younger squad,more flare and more pace with a view to establishing us again in the Premier league. Vydra will do well for us next season.
Such a shame it is coming to an end but the damage was done not this week or season but a couple of seasons ago.

colne-claret wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:53 pm

Mate in the know who previously worked with the players told me that it's quite the opposite. Gets his head down and gets on with things...doesnt appear to be liked though by the management.

Why do you suggest that Wood isn’t liked by the management?

kentonclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:46 pm

Relying on Rodriguez who has failed to score a PL goal thus far isn't really an option that is credible.

Whilst I wouldn't suggest Jay will be our saviour, he's only started 2 games and played only the equivalent minutes to about 4-5 games. If he can stay fit, a run in the side might work out well for us, I can see him being a decent partner for Cornet. Obvs would prefer us to bring someone better in, mind.

Johma wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:53 pm

Best ever until he stopped a year ago
Get shut. Invest

Best ever until he stopped a year ago - he's scored 12 Premier League goals in the last year.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:15 pm

Best ever until he stopped a year ago - he's scored 12 Premier League goals in the last year.

Hes absolute shite.
We got money we'd never get again for him
We move on. Masterstroke if hes replaced by someone better

Johma wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:19 pm

Hes absolute shite.
We got money we'd never get again for him
We move on. Masterstroke if hes replaced by someone better

you said he was the best ever until he stopped a year ago. I was merely pointing out that he'd scored 12 Premier League goals in the last year so yourn next inspired response was to say he's absolute shite. Remind me not to get into a discussion with you again.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:22 pm

He's been awful all season (Wood) and the only reason he gets starts is because our other options (Cornet aside) are worse/constantly injured. That's no basis even for Burnley's own definition of success. Losing him is a blow in the sense that we've lost our most capable striker of the last few years, but this statement makes no room for considering the fact that for a calendar year we've sliding backwards at a frightening rate even with Wood in the side, and selling him expedites a necessary and inevitable rebuild. I've completely lost faith in this squad to keep us up, I honestly have. We need someone as dynamic and hungry and talented as Cornet even to give us a chance of survival, and we now have £20m in the bank to see to that. We've seen the difference just one player can have on how we play, now we get a shot at bringing in another who might elevate us in the way Cornet has, or the way Defour did for instance.

got to take issue with you here Spiral, blaming wood is akin to blaming Brian Jenson for our demise.
He was conceding bagfulls of goals as our keeper in the prem, but it wasn't down to him. He had a leaky defence in front of him. In essence he was just the last resort as teams waltzed through us like a knife through butter.
Same applies at the other end, a striker is extremely hampered by p*ss poor supply, he has the ability, but a team perpetually on the back foot , and being outplayed in midfield severely restricts his chances.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:14 pm

He’s had a poor run, undoubtedly, but the lack of support from midfield hasn’t helped. Huge, huge gamble to let him go.

Pace and Dyche surely have a plan though to replace him. From all the interviews it seems like they are both on the same page when it comes to the club direction and especially transfers. Dyche must have agreed to the sale imho

Let's have this right. Wood has missed gilt edged chances this season, of the type he used to put away. One at Leeds being the latest example.

If Matej Vydra is the answer i dont know what the question is.

Honestly. All i read on here is people telling others they are wrong.
Surely people are allowed opinions?
Can opinions be trumped by others supposed facts?
A messageboard where you cant have an incorrect opinion.

Hmmmmm

Papabendi wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:27 pm

Let's have this right. Wood has missed gilt edged chances this season, of the type he used to put away. One at Leeds being the latest example.

Let's have this right. Which striker between Wood, Jayrod, Barnes and Vydra would and should have been the last one to be considered as leaving. Wood of course. As I say let's have this right.

Depends whether you want any cash through the door

The team was set up to play to Wood's supposed air ball set piece strength, he took penalties and played every minute. He was always going to score a few

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:21 pm

you said he was the best ever until he stopped a year ago. I was merely pointing out that he'd scored 12 Premier League goals in the last year so yourn next inspired response was to say he's absolute shite. Remind me not to get into a discussion with you again.

No you put he was our best ever and i alluded to your point. Hes not done much for us for a long time and looks a shadow of the player he was. Right now - hes been shite and for a while. Partly down to who is around him i agree, but you cant say 25 mil isnt excellent business

We need somebody younger hungrier and willing to get us going. Hes not the man to do that for us. Neither is jay barnes or vydra. Spend and bring in something to get us going again

Johma wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:49 pm

No you put he was our best ever and i alluded to your point. Hes not done much for us for a long time and looks a shadow of the player he was. Right now - hes been shite and for a while. Partly down to who is around him i agree, but you cant say 25 mil isnt excellent business

We need somebody younger hungrier and willing to get us going. Hes not the man to do that for us. Neither is jay barnes or vydra. Spend and bring in something to get us going again

This is what you posted

Johma wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:53 pm

Best ever until he stopped a year ago
Get shut. Invest

Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:23 pm

got to take issue with you here Spiral, blaming wood is akin to blaming Brian Jenson for our demise.
He was conceding bagfulls of goals as our keeper in the prem, but it wasn't down to him. He had a leaky defence in front of him. In essence he was just the last resort as teams waltzed through us like a knife through butter.
Same applies at the other end, a striker is extremely hampered by p*ss poor supply, he has the ability, but a team perpetually on the back foot , and being outplayed in midfield severely restricts his chances.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that viewpoint, but my thinking goes around the point. To me, whether or not Wood has received good enough supply, and whether or not he has, or would have put away chances had the supply been better isn't the biggest issue, because like you say, Wood can't be blamed for our form as a team, and so his contributions, such as they are this season, are to be scrutinised as much as, but no more than any other player.

But here's my point — it's actually based on two basic prepositions, the truth of which might be debated but for the sake of what I'm arguing I'll assume them both to be true, tell me if you disagree. They are both somewhat linked to each other: 1. (the stating-the-obvious one) the entire team is in terminal decline. 2. Dyche has noticeably tried to move us away from second-ball target-man $hithouse football, to a more controlled build-up play.

To elaborate on point 1. keeping Wood will not arrest the decline of this side; he's a part of it. An improvement in midfield might create more chances for him, possibly, but without his transfer fee coming in, by definition we have more limited funds with which to make those necessary signings in midfield, and this brings into doubt the viability of continuing to play to the strengths of a 30 year old who is terminally out of form. And so we dissolve this problem and are relieved from having to struggle, possibly in vain, to make it work, by snapping off Newcastle's hand and committing wholly to point 2 with £20-25m to reinvest. And as to point 2, if we are moving toward a more fluid football with a higher line and more men committed forward (which by the evidence of some of the passages of play we've attempted this season, more so than in previous seasons, suggests might be the case, but I'm up for debating that one) then crucially, IMO, while the better forward out of him/Jay/Barnes/Vydra, Wood is the weakest link to this style of play insofar as all of our forward options (except Cornet) being the weakest link to this style. His record in this league is granting him starts in spite of performances for which he ought to have been dropped had our other options up front not been so much poorer. He's decent with his feet for a target man, but he's slow, he's not a clinical as he has been, his movement is hardly exceptional and there are other forwards even within our budget (see: Cornet) that are better for this style we're striving for than him.

The massive assumption in all this is that we reinvest the fee, but assuming we do so, selling him for the fee we're getting gives up opportunities that we otherwise don't have. We're a selling club. That's not a slight against us, it's a description of a totally viable business and sporting model. We progress by selling assets at their highest value.

My concern is who is driving the new transfers regarding the type of player we are looking at, if it`s Dyche then he will want another big man or does he do an about turn in his philosophy and go for the smaller pacier type of player in which case is he and his team the best equipped group to train our hopefully new recruits in a completely different game plan, I was led to believe it was more at Paces behest that Cornet was purchased although he had been looked at earlier.

BTW I'm not saying anything others haven't said in fewer words, but personally I find breaking things down more systematically before exploring the points more thoroughly brings me more clarity of thought. As such I'm at the point where I've basically debated myself into the belief that not to accept Newcastle's bid would have been criminally negligent.

very well constructed Spiral. Good points made.