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the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by NRC » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:29 pm

I watched Lille play yesterday, from my armchair, and was impressed by Tim Weah (George's son - USA), and a cameo sub appearance from Renato Sanches (Portuguese). In their development, Weah had a spell at Celtic and Sanches at Swansea, so neither are greenhorns to UK soccer.....

and yet, I then go and research them on stats sites and it doesn't back up my impression from the game, although both are players from their respective countries.

Tough business this scouting lark....

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:54 pm

Sanches made the wrong move going to Bayern and was completely out of sorts by the time he went to Swansea, letting them down badly considering what they'd paid out to get him on loan.
He's had to rebuild his career at Lille and is now being linked with big money moves again.

Apparently he's been caught waving his middle finger at Marseille fans tonight :lol:

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:18 am

There’s a real player in Weah waiting to get out but he’s going to be a late developer I think. No one quite knows whether he’s a CF or to play him wide. He’s only 6ft, quite willowy, he’s quick but doesn’t have what you would call a physical presence, and doesn’t score enough goals.

Once all this rawness is worked out and there’s an idea of what he actually is best at and he’s learned the nuances of a role he’ll be a great player. At the moment it’s like the kid predicted to get 10 O levels, but in reality is struggling to get C’s in regular class.

His cousin Patrick has the same problem. 17, plays for Adrian Heath, raw af, they’re trying to work out what to do with him.

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by rob63 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:24 am

NRC wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:29 pm


Tough business this scouting lark....
Is that you, Mr Rigg?

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by JR1882 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:57 am

Sanches has turned his career around at Lille, key figure in them winning the League last season. His Swansea nightmare is well behind him now, still relatively young and will attract an elite club soon I think along with a few others in that squad.

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:13 am

Who in their right mind scouts from an armchair ? Clearly it can only be done from a couch
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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by CnBtruntru » Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:33 am

I do it sat on edge of the bed when I am playing FIFA ;)

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by fatboy47 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:10 am

CnBtruntru wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:33 am
I do it sat on edge of the bed when I am playing FIFA ;)

Do what? 😮

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by NewClaret » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:40 am

CnBtruntru wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:33 am
I do it sat on edge of the bed when I am playing FIFA ;)
Multi talented :lol:

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by CnBtruntru » Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:05 am

fatboy47 wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:10 am
Do what? 😮
Two hands , one on my joystick the other on my controller, very talented. :o

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by Targetman » Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:12 am

Quite a number of posters on here make judgements on players from their armchairs, particularly Burnley players!

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Post by jojomk1 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:14 am

Thank god you explained what you were holding with your two hands otherwise the mind boggles

Sean will have been hopefully making some judgements himself from the chaise longue last week

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by KRBFC » Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:27 am

Targetman wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:12 am
Quite a number of posters on here make judgements on players from their armchairs, particularly Burnley players!
You get a far better view of the game on TV, every post of yours is about fans not attending, spoiler alert you're not a super fan
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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by Targetman » Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:56 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:27 am
You get a far better view of the game on TV, every post of yours is about fans not attending, spoiler alert you're not a super fan

How can they be fans if they dont go to games?

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:02 pm

JR1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:57 am
Sanches has turned his career around at Lille, key figure in them winning the League last season. His Swansea nightmare is well behind him now, still relatively young and will attract an elite club soon I think along with a few others in that squad.
And it was a nightmare for him. Arrived with top billing, that he was going to be one of the stars of the Premier League, he had a nightmare which wasn't helped by constant and public berating from his managers at Swansea.

To be honest, I'd forgotten about him and had no idea he was at Lille.

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:23 pm

Targetman wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:56 pm
How can they be fans if they dont go to games?
You can be a fan/supporter with never even going to the ground or watching a single game, anything that brings money to a club constitutes some form of support & you can do that just by buying merchandise.
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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by Targetman » Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:12 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:23 pm
You can be a fan/supporter with never even going to the ground or watching a single game, anything that brings money to a club constitutes some form of support & you can do that just by buying merchandise.
Yes never going to the ground or even watching a single game is certainly a common trait with some of the "experts" on here!
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Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:41 pm

Targetman wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:56 pm
How can they be fans if they dont go to games?
If you get an official bfc stamp on your forehead then you are an official fan, you can buy them in person or online from the club shop. Better to buy one in person though especially if you live in London.

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by Targetman » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:36 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:41 pm
If you get an official bfc stamp on your forehead then you are an official fan, you can buy them in person or online from the club shop. Better to buy one in person though especially if you live in London.
I think I've seen you on Brunshaw Road!! 🤯 😉

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by NRC » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:53 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:02 pm
And it was a nightmare for him. Arrived with top billing, that he was going to be one of the stars of the Premier League, he had a nightmare which wasn't helped by constant and public berating from his managers at Swansea.

To be honest, I'd forgotten about him and had no idea he was at Lille.
He came on as a late substitute - played right wing. He absolutely skinned the LB and LCM and left them for dead with a superb piece of skill. Based on that he would be on the right, what we have on the left with Cornet - formidable (said in a French accent) - at least from the comfort of my armchair.

As for Tim Weah... USMNT and the son of the man himself. He's the center of my new front three in our new 433 - what could possibly go wrong?

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:09 pm

Targetman wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:12 pm
Yes never going to the ground or even watching a single game is certainly a common trait with some of the "experts" on here!
😃😁🤣
When/if the knee bending barminess stops I’ll be back on until then it what it is, occasionally travelling down from c Durham isn’t missed.

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by Stayingup » Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:53 pm

No danger because armchair fans don't pick teams except fantasy. This should probably be addressed to Man U fans.

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by Nonayforever » Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:03 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:09 pm
When/if the knee bending barminess stops I’ll be back on until then it what it is, occasionally travelling down from c Durham isn’t missed.
I'm the same. I can just about manage the happy clapping for someone I've never heard of but until then I'm an armchair fan.

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:07 pm

Targetman wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:56 pm
How can they be fans if they dont go to games?
I used to go to games all the time, everywhere, very very rarely missed. I now live on the other side of the world so I don't go to games. I get up at 4:30am to watch us on the TV and trust me, if we lose it hurts just as much in Las Vegas as it ever did standing on the Longside
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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by DCWat » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:42 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:27 am
You get a far better view of the game on TV, every post of yours is about fans not attending, spoiler alert you're not a super fan
In terms of watching an individual, I don’t think that you do get a better view. You see much less of what they do off the ball, when watching on TV, unless there is something that is specifically highlighted at HT / FT.

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by KRBFC » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:53 pm

DCWat wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:42 pm
In terms of watching an individual, I don’t think that you do get a better view. You see much less of what they do off the ball, when watching on TV, unless there is something that is specifically highlighted at HT / FT.
I spent years watching football behind a steel beam, i'm biased :D

You're right about an individual player, I think the TV view is better for the whole game though.
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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by DCWat » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:54 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:53 pm
I spent years watching football behind a steel beam, i'm biased :D

You're right about an individual player, I think the TV view is better for the whole game though.
The day that girder is removed is the day by neck and shoulder pain disappears!!
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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by Spijed » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:57 pm

The biggest critics seem to be the ones who go to the fewest number of games* ;)

*And yes, I was at the Orient game :)

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:22 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:07 pm
I used to go to games all the time, everywhere, very very rarely missed. I now live on the other side of the world so I don't go to games. I get up at 4:30am to watch us on the TV and trust me, if we lose it hurts just as much in Las Vegas as it ever did standing on the Longside
Ruins my entire weekend. Mountain time so often 530am kick offs. Lose. Go back to bed. Wake up at 3 grumpy with everybody til Monday.

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Re: the danger of making judgment on players from your armchair

Post by Guller Bull » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:09 am

Targetman wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:12 am
Quite a number of posters on here make judgements on players from their armchairs, particularly Burnley players!
Thats shocking stuff - the players should know better than that! :o

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