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The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:41 pm
by evensteadiereddie
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-60174037
His sides played superb football at times but, by God, there was a dark side. A lot of his success came through gamesmanship and brutality and his demise as England's manager said it all for me.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:44 pm
by bobinho
Probably the main reason I despise Leeds to this day.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:47 pm
by Woodleyclaret
One seriously nasty individual who led a seriously nasty bunch of players
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:51 pm
by Aclaret
Our resident Leeds fan, Devils Advocate may see things differently.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:06 pm
by minnieclaret
Grubby money grabber. His first words to his first England squad were “I’ve got you a pay rise”.
Emlyn Hughes said, “I’d play for England for free.”.
More sides should have kicked lumps off them like Chelsea did in the cup Final replay. It might have stopped them being thugs.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:08 pm
by conyoviejo
Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:47 pm
One seriously nasty individual who led a seriously nasty bunch of players
Non moreso than Norman Hunter ,the thug of all thugs ..
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:09 pm
by evensteadiereddie
That game v. Chelsea was particularly brutal as was the Charity Shield game v. Liverpool. These were supposed to be showpiece occasions.
The footage is on Youtube but is not for the faint-hearted.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:13 pm
by conyoviejo
evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:09 pm
That game v. Chelsea was particularly brutal as was the Charity Shield game v. Liverpool. These were supposed to be showpiece occasions.
The footage is on Youtube but is not for the faint-hearted.
Haha,could you imagine that in today's world of softees Eddie.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:17 pm
by bobinho
I love the picture of Dave Mackay hold of Bremner by the scruff of the neck.
A tough man hold of a bully who was tough when backed up by Giles & Hunter. Take a look at the pic, you can actually see that Bremners arse has fallen out. I’ll try to find a link…
https://images.app.goo.gl/Y6T9rqdaajsEdUJMA
Hope that works.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:18 pm
by evensteadiereddie
No and quite rightly, to be honest.
I admire decent, hard tackling defenders and bustling forwards but, bloody hell, those Leeds lads set out to maim people, picking bookings up in rotation and mobbing referees. Hideous stuff.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:19 pm
by Chobulous
I remember one challenge in that Leeds v Chelsea final I think on Bremner. It was two footed at head height, the ref just waved play on. Mind you head heaight on Bremner wasn’t really that high
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:19 pm
by evensteadiereddie
bobinho wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:17 pm
I love the picture of Dave Mackay hold of Bremner by the scruff of the neck.
A tough man hold of a bully who was tough when backed up by Giles & Hunter. Take a look at the pic, you can actually see that Bremners arse has fallen out. I’ll try to find a link…
Bremner looks like a little lad........
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:20 pm
by CaptainKirk
Not a Leeds fan, but he built one hell of a team.
Was not working out with England and knew he was on borrowed time so jumped before he was pushed. The powers that be then conspired to end his career.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:20 pm
by bobinho
evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:18 pm
No and quite rightly, to be honest.
I admire decent, hard tackling defenders and bustling forwards but, bloody hell, those Leeds lads set out to maim people, picking bookings up in rotation and mobbing referees. Hideous stuff.
Absolutely. And people reckon that type of thing was introduced by the influx of players from the continent/South America. Leeds under revie started it all.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:21 pm
by Transpennine
evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:09 pm
That game v. Chelsea was particularly brutal as was the Charity Shield game v. Liverpool. These were supposed to be showpiece occasions.
The footage is on Youtube but is not for the faint-hearted.
I think a few years ago one of our current premier league referees watched the full game and 'reffed the match based on today's rules. There would have been something like 15 red & 50 yellows* by today's standards. Might have been Mike Riley, but I can't remember.
* I've made the numbers up, but you get the gist
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:32 pm
by Silkyskills1
evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:09 pm
That game v. Chelsea was particularly brutal as was the Charity Shield game v. Liverpool. These were supposed to be showpiece occasions.
The footage is on Youtube but is not for the faint-hearted.
The first game ar Wembley had its moments but was played on a terrible surface caused by The 'Horse of The Year' show. The replay at Old Trafford was, as mentioned, brutal. Everybody was aware of the thugs in the Leeds side but Chelsea were no saints as we saw in the 4th round replay at Turf Moor. Leeds were managed by a greedy, nasty piece of work so no surprise that so many of the players he had were of a similar type. The worst of all, not in that final, was Bobby Collins, his thuggery disguised by his diminutive size.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:51 pm
by tiger76
Anytime Don Revie's Leeds are mentioned I always think of how they ended Frank Casper's career in a brutal manner.
But it wasn't just their thuggery that defined them, they were also masters of the dark arts.
And sadly these are the reasons Brian Clough couldn't get them to change as they were too wedded to Revie's dubious methods.
Don Revie good manager, but not in the great category for me.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:00 pm
by conyoviejo
Alan "sniffer" Clarke was a really dirty git as well.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:09 pm
by Silkyskills1
The image of Mackay grabbing Bremner was in 1967, I think and the Charity Shield 'set- to' was 1974. All under the tutelage of Revie.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:13 pm
by bfcjg
Nasty man.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:20 pm
by ElectroClaret
It was mostly dark.
...and nasty.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:40 pm
by gawthorpe_view
Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:09 pm
The image of Mackay grabbing Bremner was in 1967, I think and the Charity Shield 'set- to' was 1974. All under the tutelage of Revie.
I think the Charity Shield was Brian Clough's first match as Leeds United manager.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:48 pm
by ClaretTony
conyoviejo wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:08 pm
Non moreso than Norman Hunter ,the thug of all thugs ..
Way down the list was Hunter and it started with Giles.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:09 pm
by Stayingup
O'Neil, Harris and Lochhead were a match for Bremner, Giles and Hunter
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:12 pm
by thedoge
evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:09 pm
That game v. Chelsea was particularly brutal as was the Charity Shield game v. Liverpool. These were supposed to be showpiece occasions.
The footage is on Youtube but is not for the faint-hearted.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:19 pm
by thedoge
I think you'll find a bloke called Brian Clough was manager for the Charity Shield game v Liverpool.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:24 pm
by boatshed bill
Not sure if I'm rewriting football history, but I think Leeds were the first team to surround and intimidate referees.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:30 pm
by thedoge
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:24 pm
Not sure if I'm rewriting football history, but I think Leeds were the first team to surround and intimidate referees.
What about Argentina in the 66 World Cup
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:31 pm
by Cheshireclaret
bobinho wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:17 pm
I love the picture of Dave Mackay hold of Bremner by the scruff of the neck.
A tough man hold of a bully who was tough when backed up by Giles & Hunter. Take a look at the pic, you can actually see that Bremners arse has fallen out. I’ll try to find a link…
https://images.app.goo.gl/Y6T9rqdaajsEdUJMA
Hope that works.
A perfect image to sum up how to deal with a bully. His body language is so subservient and he’s begging. Still the Leeds fans will undoubtedly tell us it was an act or something.
As an aside, is that Terry Venables in the background?
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:36 pm
by Silkyskills1
thedoge wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:30 pm
What about Argentina in the 66 World Cup
Take a look at Chile v Italy in the 1962 World Cup. Often referred to as 'The Battle of Santiago'. Understandable.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:59 pm
by bfcjg
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Nah then nah then, how's about that then Kev ?
Are they all like that from Leeds.
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Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:35 pm
by boatshed bill
thedoge wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:30 pm
What about Argentina in the 66 World Cup
Yep, but bringing it to English league football.
Like I say, i'm not sure, but they were an obnoxious bunch.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:39 pm
by ElectroClaret
Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:36 pm
Take a look at Chile v Italy in the 1962 World Cup. Often referred to as 'The Battle of Santiago'. Understandable.
The "Battle of Santiago" was refereed by the English ref Ken Aston. He replaced the original ref because of disparaging comments by Italian journalists of Chilean women, which stoked tensions to fever pitch. Fouls on the pitch during the game (which were basically assaults) got so bad, the police had to enter the pitch to keep order.
Incidentally, Aston is credited with inaugurating the red and yellow card system, first employed at the 1970 World Cup.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:54 pm
by ClaretTony
Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:36 pm
Take a look at Chile v Italy in the 1962 World Cup. Often referred to as 'The Battle of Santiago'. Understandable.
That was a bit tasty
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:14 am
by Devils_Advocate
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Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:18 am
by dougcollins
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:48 pm
Way down the list was Hunter and it started with Giles.
Spot on, the cultured Giles was the nastiest thug going.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:19 am
by Hipper
bobinho wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:17 pm
I love the picture of Dave Mackay hold of Bremner by the scruff of the neck.
A tough man hold of a bully who was tough when backed up by Giles & Hunter. Take a look at the pic, you can actually see that Bremners arse has fallen out. I’ll try to find a link…
https://images.app.goo.gl/Y6T9rqdaajsEdUJMA
Hope that works.
In 1966 Mackay was photographed by Daily Mirror photographer Monte Fresco in an on-pitch confrontation with Leeds United's Billy Bremner. Mackay's face contorted, he is seen grabbing Bremner's shirt. The image is seen as one of the most iconic in UK football although Mackay hated it as it portrayed him as a bully. Mackay stated he reacted in the manner he did since Bremner targeted Mackay's left leg (the one he had broken twice) even though this leg was furthest away from Bremner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Mackay
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:25 am
by Claret Toni
Revie's team earned their shameful nomenclature "Dirty Leeds" in the 60s and it's taken all these years for them to start to shed it, under Marcelo Bielsa.
When Brian Clough was manager he reportedly told the players to throw their medals away because they were cheats medals.
An odd thing was that although the team was almost full of dirty bastards, cheats - call them what you will, there was Eddie Gray, as skilful a footballer of that era as you will find - he scored an incredible goal against us at Elland Road in the early 70s.
But to reiterate Leeds, under Revie, were a disgrace to football, and remain so.
Re: The "Great" Don Revie ?
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:43 am
by ClaretTony
dougcollins wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:18 am
Spot on, the cultured Giles was the nastiest thug going.
Horrible, horrible player.
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