Mason Greenwood

[Jakubclaret]

Absolutely this.

The police are duty bound to investigate & prosecute when necessary, but with these cases it’s not the police ignoring domestic violence the police will be frustrated with the victims keep going back to get abused what often happens is the women giving the men chance after chance to get knocked about, the police are powerless to stop the abuse when the victim willingly keep involving themselves & then refuse to press charges or when the police do it the victims aren’t willing to cooperate in assisting the police. These won’t be 1 off cases it’s repeat historic abuse.

[ClaretTony]

I’ve been watching SkySportsNews for the last 30 mins and there’s been no mention of this story?

From what I can see it’s not a sports story

[claptrappers_union]

Of course it is, Manchester United released a statement. Not even a mention of that

[SalouClaret]

From what I can see it’s not a sports story

Didn't stop them reporting on Mendy or Adam Johnson.

[claptrappers_union]

They cover stories about racism and online abuse in sport… I think heard about Ivan Tony saying a naughty word on a Twitter video via Sky Sports.

[wilks_bfc]

Didn't stop them reporting on Mendy or Adam Johnson.

Think they might have been arrested/questioned at that point

As far as we know Greenwood hasn’t as yet

[SalouClaret]

Think they might have been arrested/questioned at that point

As far as we know Greenwood hasn’t as yet

That wasn't CT's point though.

[bennitor]

The police are duty bound to investigate & prosecute when necessary, but with these cases it’s not the police ignoring domestic violence the police will be frustrated with the victims keep going back to get abused what often happens is the women giving the men chance after chance to get knocked about, the police are powerless to stop the abuse when the victim willingly keep involving themselves & then refuse to press charges or when the police do it the victims aren’t willing to cooperate in assisting the police. These won’t be 1 off cases it’s repeat historic abuse.

This comes very close to victim blaming.

The psychology of an abused victim returning to their abuser is extremely complex and often the returns are multiple. There are a myriad of reasons why they do. It is not as simple as a victim just walking away.

[Jakubclaret]

This comes very close to victim blaming.

The psychology of an abused victim returning to their abuser is extremely complex and often the returns are multiple. There are a myriad of reasons why they do. It is not as simple as a victim just walking away.

It’s not victim blaming it’s fact, in most cases the women will have repeat good hidings from the same bloke, some women will always believe that men their love will change there ways & 1 day the violence will stop.

[Stevie Morgan]

It’s not victim blaming it’s fact, in most cases the women will have repeat good hidings from the same bloke, some women will always believe that men their love will change there ways & 1 day the violence will stop.

What's your point here jakub? You've seen the links and nevertheless don't believe the police response to domestic abuse is frequently inadequate?

[minnieclaret]

This comes very close to victim blaming.
The psychology of an abused victim returning to their abuser is extremely complex and often the returns are multiple. There are a myriad of reasons why they do. It is not as simple as a victim just walking away.

Sorry and I know there will be lots of reports by psychologists saying I’m wrong but I just don’t get putting yourself in harms way. This is a life choice. If some Ahole has abused you in any aspect get out of there and report it to authorities.

[Stevie Morgan]

Sorry and I know there will be lots of reports by psychologists saying I’m wrong but I just don’t get putting yourself in harms way. This is a life choice. If some Ahole has abused you in any aspect get out of there and report it to authorities.

Clueless

[bennitor]

It’s not victim blaming it’s fact, in most cases the women will have repeat good hidings from the same bloke, some women will always believe that men their love will change there ways & 1 day the violence will stop.

Financial isolation. Mental isolation. Physical threats. Children. Manipulation. No support system. The list goes on. It's not about believing someone will change, it's about having the resources and support to leave. And take genders out of it - it's abuser and abused. It is not easy to escape.

[Claretforever]

I’ve been watching SkySportsNews for the last 30 mins and there’s been no mention of this story?

TalkSPORT have been mentioning it on their news segment, even that it’s Manchester United, though they have refrained from mentioning the players name.

[wilks_bfc]

That wasn't CT's point though.

No but you were saying that Sky Sports had reported on the other two, which they had but only after they had been questioned

At the moment it isn’t a “sports story” as no sports person has been confirmed as being involved.

[SalouClaret]

No but you were saying that Sky Sports had reported on the other two, which they had but only after they had been questioned

At the moment it isn’t a “sports story” as no sports person has been confirmed as being involved.

TalkSPORT see it as a "sports story". Probably due to a sportsman being accused of an abhorrent crime and looking bang to rights.


On another note, not aimed at you wilks, there's some awful posts on this thread. Blaming domestic violence victims for the abuse they receive is unbelievably ignorant

[claretburns]

TalkSPORT see it as a "sports story". Probably due to a sportsman being accused of an abhorrent crime and looking bang to rights.


On another note, not aimed at you wilks, there's some awful posts on this thread. Blaming domestic violence victims for the abuse they receive is unbelievably ignorant

Your quote of "looking bang to rights" (Which I absolute agree with and he deserves full justice if there is a police investigation and found guilty) may be the reason SSN are not yet reporting on it. I can imagine it is a legal minefield mentioning clubs/names etc before a charge or statement has been released by the police.

Obviously TalkSPORT feel comfortable in reporting the story, but I understand why this has not yet been reported by other news and sports outlets.

[wilks_bfc]

TalkSPORT see it as a "sports story". Probably due to a sportsman being accused of an abhorrent crime and looking bang to rights.


On another note, not aimed at you wilks, there's some awful posts on this thread. Blaming domestic violence victims for the abuse they receive is unbelievably ignorant

I’m agreeing with you.

I just think Sky are being more “cautious” than TalkSPORT

[minnieclaret]

Clueless

Not clueless and I’ve seen Bennitor’s list of problems they face. I get it but so many of these women end up dead. You do not put yourself in harms way, you get away.

[willsclarets]

One of the most disturbing things about seeing this thread on twitter is the number of people willing to defend him.

[bennitor]

Not clueless and I’ve seen Bennitor’s list of problems they face. I get it but so many of these women end up dead. You do not put yourself in harms way, you get away.

41% (37 of 91) of women killed by a male partner/former partner in England, Wales and Northern Ireland in 2018 had separated or taken steps to separate from them. Eleven of these 37 women were killed within the first month of separation and 24 were killed within the first year (Femicide Census, 2020).

Unfortunately even 'getting away' does not always equate to safety.

I'll say it again, it is not that simple.

[Jakubclaret]

Not clueless and I’ve seen Bennitor’s list of problems they face. I get it but so many of these women end up dead. You do not put yourself in harms way, you get away.

I agree with your perspective you run for the hills, I get what they are saying it’s not always easy to escape but I never said it was in any of my posts, I’m explaining why the police get frustrated with getting involved in domestics.

[CoolClaret]

Horrid, entitled, evil little *******.

I bet warning signs have been there for years with how he will have treated ‘lessers’ around him.

Always seemed like a bad egg, hope this hasn’t tarnished any legal proceedings and he faces a custodial sentence (if obviously all this is legit).

[dsr]

If the main prosecution witness has put her evidence into the public domain, it makes it far less likely that he will ever come to trial. The whole point of "sub judice" is that the info isn't made public so it can't prejudice the jury. If the whole world has seen the evidence and made its mind up, then a fair trial becomes problematic to say the least.

[Stevie Morgan]

Not clueless and I’ve seen Bennitor’s list of problems they face. I get it but so many of these women end up dead. You do not put yourself in harms way, you get away.

"You do not", "you get away". Why do you think "they" don't? Are they stupid? Do they like it? Or perhaps it's not that straightforward. And how could you possibly know, really?

[IWOODLOVETT]

Duplicate

[IWOODLOVETT]

Could be similar to an episode from Corrie. Oh, hang on …………..

[elwaclaret]

What a world we live in when a victim of crime posts the evidence on social media rather than reporting it to the police.

I hope that doing so doesn't impact on the legal proceedings.

It is a world where she knows once it blew she would face a mountain of abuse for ‘gold digging’ and being a ‘spiteful bitch.’ She has done the right thing in making this public, she’s protected herself from the storm of abuse that would have been heading her way.

I haven’t listened, and I don’t intend to, I am not the sort who could listen to such a thing without getting upset and depressed about the state of our society. Hope people now allow the system to find out the deeper truths behind the case; and hope for a fair (not based on financial power) trail, and the appropriate action is taken.

[Jakubclaret]

Sorry and I know there will be lots of reports by psychologists saying I’m wrong but I just don’t get putting yourself in harms way. This is a life choice. If some Ahole has abused you in any aspect get out of there and report it to authorities.

A variety of different reasons exist why it can be difficult for the victim to escape, the majority of the cases I dealt with were M/F partners in relationships but still clinging onto love & the forlorn hope that 1 day the violence would stop it’s just as frustrating for the counsellor’s as it is for the police, you are literally seeing the same people all the time.

[AlargeClaret]

These threads always amaze me how many doctors and high end medical professionals we have on here ..

[BFC123]

Not clueless and I’ve seen Bennitor’s list of problems they face. I get it but so many of these women end up dead. You do not put yourself in harms way, you get away.

If you don’t understand what you’re talking about then it’s best to just keep your mouth shut. No wonder women struggle to speak up about domestic violence issues when opinions like this exist.

[Braindead]

A variety of different reasons exist why it can be difficult for the victim to escape, the majority of the cases I dealt with were M/F partners in relationships but still clinging onto love & the forlorn hope that 1 day the violence would stop it’s just as frustrating for the counsellor’s as it is for the police, you are literally seeing the same people all the time.

For the love of God please tell me your are not a victim counsellor

[Jakubclaret]

For the love of God please tell me your are not a victim counsellor

I’ve done it as a paid profession & volunteering you don’t need many qualifications to be a counsellor generally, being patient & able to listen is key, I don’t understand who & where all the “doctors & high end medical professionals” are, I’ve yet to come across any on this thread.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It won't end his elite career, if the allegations are true.

Marcus Alonso and Patrick Kluivert both carried on at the top, after killing people whilst driving and having been convicted of it.

If Greenwood is found guilty, he will serve whatever punishment he's handed and will find himself another club, either here or abroad.

[Burnley Ace]

What's your point here jakub? You've seen the links and nevertheless don't believe the police response to domestic abuse is frequently inadequate?

Do you know any police officers?

[elwaclaret]

I’ve done it as a paid profession & volunteering you don’t need many qualifications to be a counsellor generally, being patient & able to listen is key, I don’t understand who & where all the “doctors & high end medical professionals” are, I’ve yet to come across any on this thread.

I rare occasion, but here I agree with Jacob… councillors often bring their unpacked personal baggage rather than certificates to get the job. I know my other half has been asked to become a councillor several times on the back of previous abusive relationships and her ability to get into the shoes of victims. I think this is a positive thing, though in our case Natasha felt it was not for her, at the times she was approached.

[RicardoMontalban]

It’s not victim blaming it’s fact, in most cases the women will have repeat good hidings from the same bloke, some women will always believe that men their love will change there ways & 1 day the violence will stop.

This was, sadly, not an uncommon view when I began in this area of work. Thankfully much less so these days. People’s understanding of the complexities of abuse has improved massively.

[Jakubclaret]

I rare occasion, but here I agree with Jacob… councillors often bring their unpacked personal baggage rather than certificates to get the job. I know my other half has been asked to become a councillor several times on the back of previous abusive relationships and her ability to get into the shoes of victims. I think this is a positive thing, though in our case Natasha felt it was not for her, at the times she was approached.

You can do it volunteering anyone can do it I did it to improve my CV. I think CAB are volunteers, you do get paid professionals on the NHS & private it depends what you are dealing with & the volume of footfall most are appointment only tbf.

[Stevie Morgan]

Do you know any police officers?

Yes.

[ksrclaret]

I just feel so, so mightily sorry for anyone who has the misfortune to have been abused, and then end up with someone like Jakubclaret as their counsellor.

"It's just as frustrating for the counsellors". Wow.

[superdimitri]

To be honest, this is probably going on with far more footballers than just Greenwood. Hopefully it encourages more women to speak out.

[Jakubclaret]

I just feel so, so mightily sorry for anyone who has the misfortune to have been abused, and then end up with someone like Jakubclaret as their counsellor.

"It's just as frustrating for the counsellors". Wow.

It’s frustrating in the sense that you want to help people & you don’t like to see people again & again, as much as I liked the victims & built a rapport up with them when they left my office, I always hoped I’d never see them again if you don’t see them again they are taking your advice & something positive is working, more often than not the relationship had to finish as opposed to the abuse stopping, it’s rare you get a happy ending with the relationship continuing.

[ksrclaret]

It’s frustrating in the sense that you want to help people & you don’t like to see people again & again, as much as I liked the victims & built a rapport up with them when they left my office, I always hoped I’d never see them again if you don’t see them again they are taking your advice & something positive is working, more often than not the relationship had to finish as opposed to the abuse stopping, it’s rare you get a happy ending with the relationship continuing.

That's fine, but above you posted about it being frustrating that "victims keep going back to get abused". That shows absolutely no understanding of what an abusive relationship is like and it's terrifying that you were once a counsellor of abused people.

[Jakubclaret]

That's fine, but above you posted about it being frustrating that "victims keep going back to get abused". That shows absolutely no understanding of what an abusive relationship is like and it's terrifying that you were once a counsellor of abused people.

It’s a fact that they go back to be abused & it is frustrating because you know it’ll never work, you can’t stop people getting abused all you can do is advise them & try to steer them away from that, in certain cases raise safeguards. We know as counsellors who specialise in this day in & day out the only real solution is get the victim out of danger & that’s more important than understanding the causes.

[ksrclaret]

It’s a fact that they go back to be abused & it is frustrating because you know it’ll never work, you can’t stop people getting abused all you can do is advise them & try to steer them away from that, in certain cases raise safeguards. We know as counsellors who specialise in this day in & day out the only real solution is get the victim out of danger & that’s more important than understanding the causes.

In order to professionally advise someone over something as serious as domestic abuse, I'm pretty sure having a detailed understanding of the situation is of the utmost importance. Simply telling someone to pack their bags and leave could result in a dangerous and/ or life threatening escalation of the situation. As I said, terrifying, absolutely bloody terrifying that you were a counsellor and I'll leave it there.

[Andreshotboots]

If the main prosecution witness has put her evidence into the public domain, it makes it far less likely that he will ever come to trial. The whole point of "sub judice" is that the info isn't made public so it can't prejudice the jury. If the whole world has seen the evidence and made its mind up, then a fair trial becomes problematic to say the least.

Maybe she has a lot more evidence than what she's released, who knows?

[Jakubclaret]

In order to professionally advise someone over something as serious as domestic abuse, I'm pretty sure having a detailed understanding of the situation is of the utmost importance. Simply telling someone to pack their bags and leave could result in a dangerous and/ or life threatening escalation of the situation. As I said, terrifying, absolutely bloody terrifying that you were a counsellor and I'll leave it there.

You establish the full picture over a period of time whilst building a rapport up & advise accordingly, abuse isn’t always physical it can manifest itself in other ways, I’ll wish you a good day.

[Pearcey]

Man Utd have said he won’t return to training or play games until further notice.

[NottsClaret]

Firstly, I hope the girl's alright, that tape is pretty horrifying.

And the idea of Jackubclaret as a counsellor makes me think I've already read enough internet today.

[RalphCoatesComb]

Domestic Abuse is abhorrent and must not be condoned, or allowed in any society.

The truth is that some victims do return to an abusive partner, the reasons being many, varied and they are often complicated. Big strides have been made down the years but, the fact that it still goes on shows that not enough is being done.

In the case being discussed, there are insufficient facts so, for the time being, no comment.