Celtic v Rangers

[Vegas Claret]

Who is better, Jack Cork or Aaron Ramsey?

Ramsey didn't play under Gerrard so you completely missed the point or chose to ignore it. Ramsey is clearly better than Cork, his decision to join Rangers instead of a Premier League team (he had 3 or 4 options) shows a staggering level of giving up on his career

[Andreshotboots]

Last time we played Rangers we beat them, so there!!

[Bosna]

Ramsey didn't play under Gerrard so you completely missed the point or chose to ignore it. Ramsey is clearly better than Cork, his decision to join Rangers instead of a Premier League team (he had 3 or 4 options) shows a staggering level of giving up on his career

But why us Gerrard not signing a Rangers player evidence that we are better than them?

And why is he giving up? Objectively winning trophies and playing in Europe surely beats what appears to be a relegation to the championship in a team not exactly renowned for expansive football.

I really don't like the arrogance English fans show to football outside our country, especially fans of teams like us. We really are not that good

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I know the standard in Scotland isn’t the best but both these teams would hammer Burnley.

They wouldn’t. Dreadful standard of football.

[Bosna]

They wouldn’t. Dreadful standard of football.

Compared to what? Premier League teams? Us? Have you seen us this season?

[Vegas Claret]

But why us Gerrard not signing a Rangers player evidence that we are better than them?

And why is he giving up? Objectively winning trophies and playing in Europe surely beats what appears to be a relegation to the championship in a team not exactly renowned for expansive football.

I really don't like the arrogance English fans show to football outside our country, especially fans of teams like us. We really are not that good

I have never once said we are or aren't better than Rangers. I was talking about the standard of Scottish football - had it been the w*nk fest you seemingly think it is then Gerrard would surely have signed a few from Scotland for his Villa rebuild - he didn't.

I also never once said Ramsey should sign for us, as I indicated, he had multiple PL options 2 of whom are not anywhere near to a relegation battle.

Having an opinion on the standard of a particular league is not arrogance, it's based on opinion that has been generated based on fact. Take Rangers relative Europa League success of getting out of a group stage out of the equation, Celtic can't get out the preliminary rounds of the CL and the other Euro qualifiers from Scotland also don't make it to the group stage. If the league was strong then they would.

If you want to argue against those stone cold facts them more power to you Bosna.

[Bosna]

Scotland is a small country with two massive teams in it. The standard is very much dictated by that and the league suffers as a result. There are clubs the size of League 2 teams in the Scottish Prem.

That said, both Old Firm teams are very good, as good as they've been for a while, and for anyone who has objectively watched them and ourselves this season would say they are better than us. We have two methods of scoring - the no-look Westwood hoof over the defence and set pieces.

The fact that Gerrard didn't sign a scottish player isn't somehow magical evidence that the old firm, and I'm talking about the old firm not the league, are rubbish. Patterson signed for Everton this January for c.£15m and wasn't playing for them.

[Bosna]

Also you need to be clear as to what you are comparing Scottish football to. Yes Celtic struggle to get our of the CL group stages, just as we struggle to progress past the 3rd round of the League Cup.

[Bosscat]

I know the standard in Scotland isn’t the best but both these teams would hammer Burnley.

who gives a ****

[KRBFC]

as regards the standard, unless there was some agreement in place saying he couldn't, Gerrard hasn't signed anyone from Scotland or Rangers

What on earth does that mean? we couldn't even make the Europa League group stages at our very best and barely beat Aberdeen. We are f**king dreadful at the minute, I fail to see how anyone could be confident of us beating anyone right now.

[KRBFC]

I like how we are using the strength of the PL overall to prop ourselves up, like we aren't the runt of the litter and like we've contributed to the leagues quality.

[Vegas Claret]

What on earth does that mean? we couldn't even make the Europa League group stages at our very best and barely beat Aberdeen. We are f**king dreadful at the minute, I fail to see how anyone could be confident of us beating anyone right now.

again, read what I put instead of what you think I put

[Vegas Claret]

Scotland is a small country with two massive teams in it. The standard is very much dictated by that and the league suffers as a result. There are clubs the size of League 2 teams in the Scottish Prem.

you've just answered it yourself

That said, both Old Firm teams are very good, as good as they've been for a while, and for anyone who has objectively watched them and ourselves this season would say they are better than us. We have two methods of scoring - the no-look Westwood hoof over the defence and set pieces.

again, I never mentioned Rangers, Celtic or Burnley

The fact that Gerrard didn't sign a scottish player isn't somehow magical evidence that the old firm, and I'm talking about the old firm not the league, are rubbish. Patterson signed for Everton this January for c.£15m and wasn't playing for them.

So again, you've taken my post and made it about Rangers which it clearly wasn't

also "Also you need to be clear as to what you are comparing Scottish football to"

YOU already said there are clubs the size of which are similar to League 2

I would expect the current Rangers and Celtic teams to be of a similar standard to us at absolute best.

[Leisure]

I fail to see how anyone could be confident of us beating anyone right now.

Why doesn't that surprise me!

[KRBFC]

Why doesn't that surprise me!

p4p we were the worst side in England in the entire year of 2021, we recently lost to Huddersfield reserves at home. Of course you'd respond though, you probably predict us to win at the Etihad each season. Head in sand

[Leisure]

p4p we were the worst side in England in the entire year of 2021, we recently lost to Huddersfield reserves at home. Of course you'd respond though, you probably predict us to win at the Etihad each season. Head in sand

No, just a supporter of my club, not a critic of practically everything related to BFC. And we weren't the worst side in England, many, if not all, teams in lower leagues were worse.

[KRBFC]

No, just a supporter of my club, not a critic of practically everything related to BFC. And we weren't the worst side in England, many, if not all, teams in lower leagues were worse.

There's being a supporter and then being completely delusional. I've been on your coaches and had conversations with you a couple of times and you're pretty reasonable in person, certainly not this Mr Super fan character you portray on here.

[RammyClaret61]

Scottish football is a joke. This sums it up, it’s not even a level playing field regarding the fixtures.

THE SPLIT.
The top flight of Scottish football has contained 12 clubs since the 2000–01 season, the longest period without change in the history of the Scottish football league system.[4] During this period the Scottish Premier League, and now the Scottish Premiership, has operated a "split" format. This is used to prevent the need for a 44-game schedule, based on playing each other four times. That format was used in the Scottish Premier Division in the mid-1980s and early 1990s, but it is now too high a number of games in a league season.

A season, which runs from August until May, is divided into two phases. During the first phase, each club plays three games against every other team, either once at home and twice away or vice versa. After this first phase of matches, by which time all clubs have played 33 games, the league splits into two halves - a 'top six' section and a 'bottom six' section. Each club plays a further five matches, one against each of the other five teams in their own section. Points achieved during the first phase of 33 matches are carried forward to the second phase, but the teams compete only within their own sections during the second phase. After the first phase is completed, clubs cannot move out of their own half in the league, even if they achieve more or fewer points than a higher or lower ranked team, respectively.

At the beginning of each season, the SPFL 'predicts' the likely positions of each club in order to produce a fixture schedule that ensures the best possible chance of all clubs playing each other twice at home and twice away. This is known as the league seeding and is based on clubs' performance in the previous season.[5] If the clubs do not finish in the half where they are predicted to finish, then anomalies can be created in the fixture list. Clubs sometimes play another three times at home and once away (or vice versa),[5][6] or a club can end up playing 20 home (or away) games in a season.[7]

[Vegas Claret]

p4p we were the worst side in England in the entire year of 2021, we recently lost to Huddersfield reserves at home. Of course you'd respond though, you probably predict us to win at the Etihad each season. Head in sand

I can very much tell you weren't around in the 80's. If you think we are bad now then christ almighty I'd love to have heard your opinion of us back then. We are one of the worst teams in the strongest league in the World, that's an awful long way from what you are describing and the stat you are using to bash the club with is pretty laughable I'm afraid. You were really positive a couple of days ago, you stubbed your toe or something ?

[claretonthecoast1882]

I can very much tell you weren't around in the 80's. If you think we are bad now then christ almighty I'd love to have heard your opinion of us back then. We are one of the worst teams in the strongest league in the World, that's an awful long way from what you are describing and the stat you are using to bash the club with is pretty laughable I'm afraid. You were really positive a couple of days ago, you stubbed your toe or something ?

he stopped going on the minute it got tough in the top flight, the thought of him contributing anything to the club in the lower league is p**s funny.

He probably went on in the era he did under Cotterill and his idol Coyle due to qualifying for a free under 12 ticket and the minute it costs he stayed at home. He is best ignored and even more so when the kid is having one of his famous shandy fuelled crying episodes

[arise_sir_charge]

He gets some stick does KB, rightly so, but he’s spot in this time.

[RammyClaret61]

p4p we were the worst side in England in the entire year of 2021, we recently lost to Huddersfield reserves at home. Of course you'd respond though, you probably predict us to win at the Etihad each season. Head in sand

Worst side in England

the table you’re using for that reference isn’t exactly comparing like for like is it. Bristol Rovers have 11 points more than us from, oh yes, 11 more games. And I bet none of those 50 games they played where against. Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool etc etc. if we’d played the same 50 clubs Bristol Rovers had, I’d lay odds on we would’ve had more than double their 50 points. So basically that table you use is worthless. The real position of Burnley FC at this moment is 20th out of 92.

[arise_sir_charge]

Worst side in England

the table you’re using for that reference isn’t exactly comparing like for like is it. Bristol Rovers have 11 points more than us from, oh yes, 11 more games. And I bet none of those 50 games they played where against. Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool etc etc. if we’d played the same 50 clubs Bristol Rovers had, I’d lay odds on we would’ve had more than double their 50 points. So basically that table you use is worthless. The real position of Burnley FC at this moment is 20th out of 92.

That’s probably why he put p4p in his post.

Here’s a point, had Celtic or Rangers played the same sides we did in that period they’d have accrued more points than we did.

[BurnleyFC]

Premier League or not, Celtic and Rangers would beat us fairly comfortably, I would imagine.

[Bosna]

I think it's stunning that Burnley fans of all people can have a go at the quality of football in any top division in Europe. We are brutally effective at our best, diabolical at our worst. No chance do we hypothetically walk into another league and start dominating teams when our whole ethos is to not do that. Why do people think we struggle against lower league opposition?

[claretonthecoast1882]

I think it's stunning that Burnley fans of all people can have a go at the quality of football in any top division in Europe. We are brutally effective at our best, diabolical at our worst. No chance do we hypothetically walk into another league and start dominating teams when our whole ethos is to not do that. Why do people think we struggle against lower league opposition?

You can be a Burnley fan and say the SPL is a very poor quality league, because the league is gash.

[claret2018]

Like 2 league 1 sides being plonked in non-league.

[arise_sir_charge]

Like 2 league 1 sides being plonked in non-league.

Name me a league one side that would get to the last 16 of the Europa League.

[Lancasterclaret]

No way both teams would hammer us

I'd say both teams are lower prem/upper championship standard

Big fan bases like, huge fan bases, but all that sectarianism is as vile as it gets and I hope we never play them in the PL or the championship

[Leisure]

There's being a supporter and then being completely delusional. I've been on your coaches and had conversations with you a couple of times and you're pretty reasonable in person, certainly not this Mr Super fan character you portray on here.

Go on then I'll play. What have I said that makes me completely delusional and that I'm Mr Super Fan?

[JohnMcGreal]

Anyway.

What a good game of football that was last night. Played at a great tempo and the atmosphere sounded brilliant. An entertaining watch all round.

[KRBFC]

Go on then I'll play. What have I said that makes me completely delusional and that I'm Mr Super Fan?

You wouldn't dare criticise the clubs transfer business, the style of play etc you're very much portraying a character on here, you act like you're desperate to get hired by the club so you're watching what you type on here.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Anyway.

What a good game of football that was last night. Played at a great tempo and the atmosphere sounded brilliant. An entertaining watch all round.

Just a shame that there was no away fans. They need to sort that out.

[arise_sir_charge]

Just a shame that there was no away fans. They need to sort that out.

There was away fans, albeit limited to 800 shoved in the corner.

[Leisure]

You wouldn't dare criticise the clubs transfer business, the style of play etc you're very much portraying a character on here, you act like you're desperate to get hired by the club so you're watching what you type on here.

Think you're getting desperate now! Irrespective of my views on our transfer business, style of play etc, what good do you think it would do for me to come on here and constantly whine about it day after day. It is what it is and I'll still give my support to the Club irrespective of my views. And your comment about wanting to get hired by the Club is just silly. UTC

[Bordeauxclaret]

There was away fans, albeit limited to 800 shoved in the corner.

There wasn’t.

[KRBFC]

Think you're getting desperate now! Irrespective of my views on our transfer business, style of play etc, what good do you think it would do for me to come on here and constantly whine about it day after day. It is what it is and I'll still give my support to the Club irrespective of my views. And your comment about wanting to get hired by the Club is just silly. UTC

I don't want to argue with you, I'd love to hear more of your opinion though, we all give our opinions and whine when we feel like it, doesn't take away from desperately wanting us to win games of football. I said you act that way not that you actually wanted to be hired.

[Silkyskills1]

Think this might require an investigation in to who said what.

[Leisure]

Think this might require an investigation in to who said what.

Well I certainly didn't say that I wanted to be hired by the Club.

[tiger76]

Premier League or not, Celtic and Rangers would beat us fairly comfortably, I would imagine.

Funny Burnley have beaten Rangers on our last 2 trips to Glasgow then isn't it.

Celtic & Rangers are big beasts, but in a tinpot league you'd expect them to be.

Believe me as someone living north of the border the overall standard is incredibly poor, Hearts are 3rd by a clear margin with the likes of Josh Ginnelly in their ranks to offer some context.

[Silkyskills1]

Well I certainly didn't say that I wanted to be hired by the Club.

Well, somebody said it, maybe inadvertantly.

[Leisure]

Well, somebody said it, maybe inadvertantly.

Think that might have been KRBFC!