Good riddance!

Yes. She’s not been effective at all

I hope her colleagues throw her a leaving work event.

What a poor thread title. So many options available.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:48 pm

What a poor thread title. So many options available.

Dick out
Dick chopped

I’d have gone with “London Mayor gets Dick out”

Should have been put out to pasture in 2005 after her catastrophic failure, but inexplicably continued to rise through the ranks to the top job.

So far out of her depth and like most do when faced with that reality, decided honesty was definitely not the best policy.

CombatClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:41 pm

I hope her colleagues throw her a leaving work event.

Boris will have already got that sorted.

"stepping down"/ "standing down" though; should've been sacked ages ago for gross incompetence. A very sad indictment of public service in the UK when people can perform as abysmally as she has done and still get a big salary/ (presumably) big pension.

Reflects badly on Boris/Patel that they recently gave her a contract extension.

Dyche to Scotland Yard?

Ironic the woman gets it . Transforming the Met is a massive job that will take a generation and should have started a generation ago. A lightweight and gesture politics decision.

An honest person doing her best in an extraordinarily difficult job, with political interference a routine part of the job, and the world’s media scrutinising your every action.
I hope she enjoys her retirement - and good luck to whoever is appointed in her place. They will need it.

It took the Mayor to sort her and remove the shield, JohnsonOUT is hiding behind.

Just think of her severance package for resigning on a £270k per year salary. Index linked pension will kick in immediately as well as her tax free lump sum. Citizen Khan needs to resign now looking at all the murders in the Capital from knife crime on his watch. Can’t blame all these on Dame Dick, especially as he intimated unfair treatment in terms of stopping and searching on young blacks by the police force as being racist. He is only on same salary as Boris though so less of a hit on the public purse.

Wonder if she was related to John Dick. Many Dicks in London. Sorry but this is a licence for cheap shots. Good luck to her and pity Khan hasn't gone with her.

About time. As above Khan out next please.

Middle-agedClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:11 pm

An honest person doing her best in an extraordinarily difficult job, with political interference a routine part of the job, and the world’s media scrutinising your every action.
I hope she enjoys her retirement - and good luck to whoever is appointed in her place. They will need it.

I’m extremely concerned about political interference within policing. More so than I am about anything else.

I read constantly that the Met is institutionally corrupt, racist, sexist, but in 15 years, I could probably only give 3/4 occasions where I’ve come across it myself, or heard about it going on. The picture that is now so often painted that the whole service is rotten to the core is completely wrong.

The last 18 months or so has been a clusterf*ck of epic proportions at an organisational level for the Met. The handling of the investigation into Number 10 was fudged from the start. I know for a fact from my own experience that we don’t investigation covid breaches retrospectively, but our decision to not investigate initially, to then perform an about turn, was very dubious.

If you were to speak to any rank and file Police Officer that has had personal dealings with Cressida Dick, then you will only hear good things. A leader, devoted to making positive change, and who cares deeply about her officers and the communities she serves.

It’s very easy too to criticise Cressida Dick over the murder of John Charles De Menezes. She was Gold on that day, ultimately. But it was a very sad incident that could and should have been avoided, which stemmed from mistaken identity at the get go. If anyone knows about the Conflict Management Model, or as it is now known as the National Decision Making Model, if your intelligence/information is unknowingly wrong to begin with, then everything that follows suit will be off as well.

I wish her well, and a healthy retirement, but I wait in genuine trepidation at who the replacement will be.

I think we should look at what she has done well...

Well that didn’t take long.

Completely inexcusable that it has taken all this time

LeadBelly wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:01 pm

"stepping down"/ "standing down" though; should've been sacked ages ago for gross incompetence. A very sad indictment of public service in the UK when people can perform as abysmally as she has done and still get a big salary/ (presumably) big pension.

Reflects badly on Boris/Patel that they recently gave her a contract extension.

So rather like football management then.

COBBLE wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:10 pm

Ironic the woman gets it . Transforming the Met is a massive job that will take a generation and should have started a generation ago. A lightweight and gesture politics decision.

The Met, and policing in general here in the UK is far from perfect, I’ll agree, but i’m interested to hear what you think needs transforming? And why you think it will take a generation?

TsarBomba thank you for a thoughtful and informed contribution. Can any one individual change things in isolation?

I belly laughed not long ago when Dame Cressida appeared on TV with the assistant commissioner Helen Ball, it was the Dick and Ball show

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:40 pm

I’m extremely concerned about political interference within policing. More so than I am about anything else.

I read constantly that the Met is institutionally corrupt, racist, sexist, but in 15 years, I could probably only give 3/4 occasions where I’ve come across it myself, or heard about it going on. The picture that is now so often painted that the whole service is rotten to the core is completely wrong.

The last 18 months or so has been a clusterf*ck of epic proportions at an organisational level for the Met. The handling of the investigation into Number 10 was fudged from the start. I know for a fact from my own experience that we don’t investigation covid breaches retrospectively, but our decision to not investigate initially, to then perform an about turn, was very dubious.

If you were to speak to any rank and file Police Officer that has had personal dealings with Cressida Dick, then you will only hear good things. A leader, devoted to making positive change, and who cares deeply about her officers and the communities she serves.

It’s very easy too to criticise Cressida Dick over the murder of John Charles De Menezes. She was Gold on that day, ultimately. But it was a very sad incident that could and should have been avoided, which stemmed from mistaken identity at the get go. If anyone knows about the Conflict Management Model, or as it is now known as the National Decision Making Model, if your intelligence/information is unknowingly wrong to begin with, then everything that follows suit will be off as well.

I wish her well, and a healthy retirement, but I wait in genuine trepidation at who the replacement will be.

And this is the reply I have been waiting for. If anyone knows what’s really going on, what’s really needed, it’s someone with boots on the ground.

Everyone seems hell bent on crucifying Dick, but a serving officer telling us that she’s decent should be enough for all of us shouldn’t it?

COBBLE wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:53 pm

TsarBomba thank you for a thoughtful and informed contribution. Can any one individual change things in isolation?

I think there is so much wrong with policing across the board. Everything from funding, recruitment, training, retention, pay, pensions. You name it.

I’ve had umpteen senior officers give me the same answers for the past 15 years, when we question them about lack of resources, lack of cars, faulty equipment, but NOTHING has changed.

Speak to any of the rank and file, and they will tell you the same thing. Senior officers are only interested in their own career, and will implement change to purely benefit their career prospects. They couldn’t really give a toss about the officers at the bottom.

Which is why I’m hugely disappointed Cressida Dick has gone tonight, as she was one of the few that seemed to care.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:00 pm

And this is the reply I have been waiting for. If anyone knows what’s really going on, what’s really needed, it’s someone with boots on the ground.

Everyone seems hell bent on crucifying Dick, but a serving officer telling us that she’s decent should be enough for all of us shouldn’t it?

Don’t get me wrong, the Met deserves crucifying at the moment. On so many issues.

But I am firmly of the opinion that she is a thoroughly decent person.

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:46 pm

The Met, and policing in general here in the UK is far from perfect, I’ll agree, but i’m interested to hear what you think needs transforming? And why you think it will take a generation?

I will try with a few questions. How quickly can knife crime be brought under control without the required funding for the infrastructure of youth support? When will a leader of the Met be free to focus resources where he/she wants to without political pressure? How can education accelerate elimination of misogyny? How soon will the judicial system get on top of its workload.
When will recruitment and performance of officers be more effective? When will resources be made available to make the ordinary citizen feel safe.

Step Forward....

(drum roll)...

... Bas Javid (Sajid's brother)

She has (under Khan's mayorship) overseen a bloody and murderous spike in knife crime and stabbings.

Yet she's going to finally get the boot because of an out of date work culture at a cop shop.

Can't help thinking she hasn't been judged on the kind of matters that are actually of real concern to the public.

She was there to protect Johnson.
Time to go.

COBBLE wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:14 pm

I will try with a few questions. How quickly can knife crime be brought under control without the required funding for the infrastructure of youth support? When will a leader of the Met be free to focus resources where he/she wants to without political pressure? How can education accelerate elimination of misogyny? How soon will the judicial system get on top of its workload.
When will recruitment and performance of officers be more effective? When will resources be made available to make the ordinary citizen feel safe.

I’ll try and answer as best I can. I don’t pretend to know everything, at all, and I can only offer suggestions from my experience.

- knife crime is a societal issue. It links in with poverty, education, lack of employment prospects, domestic violence. I imagine many of the kids carrying knives, if not a majority, will come from broken homes. I don’t see any other organisation trying to tackle knife crime, really. It’s fallen on our shoulders to bear the brunt of it. We have excellent schools and youth engagement officers, but we can’t do it alone.

- there will always be political pressure on the Commissioner. MOPAC, which is the Mayors Office, sets out the direction and funding for the Met.

- as a straight, white male, I’m probably the wrong person to ask, but I don’t consider there to be any sort of endemic issue surrounding misogyny. Again, misogyny is a societal issue, but Police Officers should be held to a higher standard because of what we do, so there is an expectation that our conduct is exemplary at all times. Of course, some will fall below that, unfortunately, but there are lots of mechanisms in the job for reporting misogynist and sexist behaviour. It isn’t tolerated. At all.

- the Criminal Justice System is on its knees due to cuts. I don’t see there ever bring a reversal without increased funding over many years, if not decades, and I don’t think there is an appetite from the Govt to do this, which is baffling quite frankly.

- recruitment of officers is a huge issue. Standards have been dropped because the Government has pledged to reverse their cuts, and to do it in a set time. Huge numbers of officers coming through are not of the required standard, which then leads to retention issues as a number will be dismissed due to poor performance or misconduct. And because of the rushed nature and sheer volume of recruitment, there are then question marks over the vetting process.

- what I do say quite a lot to members of the public is to complain to their local MP’s about concerns they have surrounding the police and wider public services. Whether this does help or not, I have no idea, but I like to think the more people shouting about it may help to get things done.

Was she appointed in the first place as some kind of PC stunt?

"If you were to speak to any rank and file Police Officer that has had personal dealings with Cressida Dick, then you will only hear good things. A leader, devoted to making positive change, and who cares deeply about her officers and the communities she serves."

It sounds like she has some degree of internal backing, however, her job is surely to deter crime, bring criminals to justice, reassure the populace that policing is even-handed and to utilise resources effectively. IMO she's failed on all of these.

Increase in violent (mostly gang-related) crime in London
Pussy footing around left wing protests (BLM/XR) whilst "wading in" on other protests- including a bunch of women protesting against a serving officer murdering Sarah Everard.
Wasting resources (huge failings) on a spurious investigation into Carl Beech's claims (Operation Midland)
Obstructing inquiries into the murder of Daniel Morgan (Dick was personally censured for obstruction and named as one of those responsible for delaying the panel access to the police database).
All that even before we get to Jean Charles de Menezes.

Hope the next appointment is somebody who has the qualities to do the job and is not just another diversity inclusivity box ticked!

She was the subject of one of the funniest moments on Pointless though..

https://youtu.be/9tsVJjE0qAw

The mayor needs removing now.

Quicknick wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:47 am

The mayor needs removing now.

He was voted in by the people of London. The election was the opportunity to remove him.

I think London is almost impossible to police, so many gangs, so many people with mental health and other issues, international crime, a pathetic judiciary that looks as though it actually encourages crime, football gangs taking up resources especially on the underground. It is a cesspit of a city and I think beyond help.

Pearcey wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 11, 2022 5:06 am

He was voted in by the people of London. The election was the opportunity to remove him.

A bit like Johnson, but that's not stopping the media hounding him out.

Wish Johnson had the decency to do the same!

Murger wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:57 am

A bit like Johnson, but that's not stopping the media hounding him out.

It’s all the medias fault obviously , nothing to do with his constant lying

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:40 pm

I’m extremely concerned about political interference within policing. More so than I am about anything else.

I read constantly that the Met is institutionally corrupt, racist, sexist, but in 15 years, I could probably only give 3/4 occasions where I’ve come across it myself, or heard about it going on. The picture that is now so often painted that the whole service is rotten to the core is completely wrong.

The last 18 months or so has been a clusterf*ck of epic proportions at an organisational level for the Met. The handling of the investigation into Number 10 was fudged from the start. I know for a fact from my own experience that we don’t investigation covid breaches retrospectively, but our decision to not investigate initially, to then perform an about turn, was very dubious.

If you were to speak to any rank and file Police Officer that has had personal dealings with Cressida Dick, then you will only hear good things. A leader, devoted to making positive change, and who cares deeply about her officers and the communities she serves.

It’s very easy too to criticise Cressida Dick over the murder of John Charles De Menezes. She was Gold on that day, ultimately. But it was a very sad incident that could and should have been avoided, which stemmed from mistaken identity at the get go. If anyone knows about the Conflict Management Model, or as it is now known as the National Decision Making Model, if your intelligence/information is unknowingly wrong to begin with, then everything that follows suit will be off as well.

I wish her well, and a healthy retirement, but I wait in genuine trepidation at who the replacement will be.

we don't want any thing like this on a CM "lets get a reaction" thread Tsar

What we want is everyone to out do each other on supporting her because she loves the PM, or hating her because she's not a racist, doesn't arrest the PM, hasn't arrested Sadiq Khan, hasn't legitimised shooting cyclists etc

Get with the program mate!

(serious point incoming - whether it is her fault or not, the failure to enforce the law within No 10 has done far too much damage for her to stay, plus all the other stuff just being highlighted on the tv now)

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:34 am

the failure to enforce the law within No 10 has done far too much damage for her to stay, plus all the other stuff just being highlighted

This... 100%

She probably is a decent person but has been completely ineffective. Her decision-making, going back to her leadership of the Brazilian lad's "accidental" execution operation all those years ago and up to the Met's current institutionalised racism, misogony, corruption and so on has been disastrous.

The latest attempt to shield Johnson just about sums her up.

Talk about stealing a wage...

Tw@ wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:37 am

Hope the next appointment is somebody who has the qualities to do the job and is not just another diversity inclusivity box ticked!

Oh it will be. Look at who's touted for the MI5 job.

joey13 wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:24 am

It’s all the medias fault obviously , nothing to do with his constant lying

Bit of one thing and a lot of another. There is other news besides a birthday cake. Its not a possible imminenet Nuclear war is it exactly? Our Media seem to think so. I do agree though shocking from the PM.

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:51 am

She probably is a decent person but has been completely ineffective. Her decision-making, going back to her leadership of the Brazilian lad's "accidental" execution operation all those years ago and up to the Met's current institutionalised racism, misogony, corruption and so on has been disastrous.

The latest attempt to shield Johnson just about sums her up.

Talk about stealing a wage...

So A police force found to be corrupt racist and sexiest is thought to be shielding Johnson.

Who'd have thought it?

Stayingup wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 11, 2022 9:12 am

Bit of one thing and a lot of another. There is other news besides a birthday cake. Its not a possible imminenet Nuclear war is it exactly? Our Media seem to think so. I do agree though shocking from the PM.

Well, you've kinda hit the point there..... If there's to be any serious conflict going off, it'd be nice to think we'd somebody trustworthy at the helm... Not somebody desperate for their own Falklands moment.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:39 pm

She was there to protect Johnson.
Time to go.

I wish Johnson would bloody go and be replaced by a proper Tory, not the green socialist buffon we have at the moment.

Now that would give you something to complain about Ian

You do wonder just how right wing you have to be to think that Johnson is a green socialist buffoon

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 11, 2022 9:26 am

You do wonder just how right wing you have to be to think that Johnson is a green socialist buffoon

Indeed!

Green-doubtful given his initial support for CAMBO, and other new oilfields.

Socialist-I fail to see that whatsoever, but TBF you wouldn't expect any Conservative to espouse socialism.

Buffoon-definitely.

Call me cynical, but Cressida Dick stepping down in the wake of all the COVID measures biting the dust in England, appears to have taken the heat of Boris and party gate funny that.

Thankfully Labour are now finally presenting a viable alternative, and you'd hope the public would switch to them in droves come the next GE, Would they be any better I don't know, but they certainly can't be any worse than this present shower.