Russia Invades

[Lowbankclaret]

Russia will re take Donetsk, Lugansk and Odessa and let the West 'take' the rest back.

That's my forecast.

Not a chance, he is taking it all.

In poker terms , he has gone all in.

[elwaclaret]

China are watching closely, they want to annex Taiwan just as Putin is doing with Ukraine.

Once they see we are weak, they will attack Taiwan.

That’s why we have to cut off Russia , it would be the only deterrent to China.

I think they will not wait long enough to see the outcome. Russia attacked because the West looked weak, I expect China will be itching to open p the second front. It is really not looking good… a Labour MP today asked for ‘a diplomatic settlement’, finger on the pulse or what? It’s bloody frightening and God hopes Britain aren’t caught with their pants down for a third time… not that there is much hope.

[bfcjg]

Don't worry, our spies are training ready for the new world order.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/britains-spie ... 29612.html

[TheFamilyCat]

China are watching closely, they want to annex Taiwan just as Putin is doing with Ukraine.

Once they see we are weak, they will attack Taiwan.

That’s why we have to cut off Russia , it would be the only deterrent to China.

How many businesses in the UK would be screwed if we stopped buying from China?

[KRBFC]

Why has there been zero news on Ukraine dropping bombs/missiles? Do they not have the capability to bomb Russian airbases? They're getting absolutely destroyed from the Sky, reduce the air threat and they've half a chance with boots on the ground due to sheer potential numbers in defensive position.

[JarrowClaret]

Not a chance, he is taking it all.

In poker terms , he has gone all in.

I doubt that Lowbank to take the whole of Ukraine he would need nearer 1 million troops and to hold it he would probably need double that.

I suspect his initial goal was to join the Russian controlled enclaves which I think he has more or less don. Then surround Kiev and impose a puppet Government after the prime minister surrenders or is killed.

Just from reading Osint stuff online no idea if true but putin seemingly has a relatively small amount of hardened troops near Ukraine maybe around 30,000 ish the rest are conscript types.

They are expecting a heavy air bombardment in Kiev shortly according to Ukraine officials let’s see what is left when we wake up.

[JarrowClaret]

Why has there been zero news on Ukraine dropping bombs/missiles? Do they not have the capability to bomb Russian airbases? They're getting absolutely destroyed from the Sky, reduce the air threat and they've half a chance with boots on the ground due to sheer potential numbers in defensive position.

There Air Force is not/ was not strong enough KR and a number of there planes were destroyed on the ground. On top of that the Russians have a huge and excellent, integrated Air defence capability that would have negated what ever air power the Ukraines could get though.

[JarrowClaret]

Also it would be interesting to know whether it is elite Russian troops or the conscripts that have been involved in the invasion up to now. If it is the conscripts then tomorrow and the following days are gonna be messy and horrible. If it is the hardened troops then Russia has had a bit of a bloody nose.

Ukraine president announced Russian sabotage troops (Spetsnaz) have entered kiev.

[HahaYeah]

The Hypocrites on parade. Watch them on CNN, the BBC, read them wall-to-wall.

Now imagine a strategic enclave of Britons, or French, or Germans, or Americans under violent siege - shelled and terrorised - for eight years. Would this be tolerated by the rulers of the world?

For Johnson and Biden to lecture us on the ethics of world affairs is absurd. Biden is currently stealing Afghanistan's cash reserves and condemning millions to starvation. The West could have brought peace to Ukraine, but chose not to.

"Invasion" news you won't read. The US is sending millions of dollars worth of arms to Europe's only openly neo-Nazi infested country while Britain trains Ukraine's neo-Nazi infested National Guard and the regime lays siege to Russian-speaking Donbas.

- John Pilger on twitter.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The Hypocrites on parade. Watch them on CNN, the BBC, read them wall-to-wall.

Now imagine a strategic enclave of Britons, or French, or Germans, or Americans under violent siege - shelled and terrorised - for eight years. Would this be tolerated by the rulers of the world?

For Johnson and Biden to lecture us on the ethics of world affairs is absurd. Biden is currently stealing Afghanistan's cash reserves and condemning millions to starvation. The West could have brought peace to Ukraine, but chose not to.

"Invasion" news you won't read. The US is sending millions of dollars worth of arms to Europe's only openly neo-Nazi infested country while Britain trains Ukraine's neo-Nazi infested National Guard and the regime lays siege to Russian-speaking Donbas.

- John Pilger on twitter.

His Twitter feed is the definition of bat **** mental.

[JarrowClaret]

The Hypocrites on parade. Watch them on CNN, the BBC, read them wall-to-wall.

Now imagine a strategic enclave of Britons, or French, or Germans, or Americans under violent siege - shelled and terrorised - for eight years. Would this be tolerated by the rulers of the world?

For Johnson and Biden to lecture us on the ethics of world affairs is absurd. Biden is currently stealing Afghanistan's cash reserves and condemning millions to starvation. The West could have brought peace to Ukraine, but chose not to.

Wow who is John Pilger is it a Russian Bot address maybe?

I can sort of get the link to Iraq or Afghanistan but anyone who sees them as the same as what is happening today in Ukraine has a very distorted view of what actually happened.

"Invasion" news you won't read. The US is sending millions of dollars worth of arms to Europe's only openly neo-Nazi infested country while Britain trains Ukraine's neo-Nazi infested National Guard and the regime lays siege to Russian-speaking Donbas.

- John Pilger on twitter.

[KRBFC]

They are expecting a heavy air bombardment in Kiev shortly according to Ukraine officials let’s see what is left when we wake up.

I think it's the Sun who have been live streaming Kiev, bombing expected in 50 minutes (with Ukraine 2 hours ahead)?

[KRBFC]

Indeed here's The Sun live streaming over Kiev https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYKg7f ... nel=TheSun

[CombatClaret]

If you ever wanted to gauge how effective Russia's long campaign of online disinformation has been in destabilizing and diving the west you only have to look at a handful of poster on this site.
An official football forum representing a team from a town of 70k people in the NW of England no less.
That's how deep it's gone.

[TheFamilyCat]

If you ever wanted to gauge how effective Russia's long campaign of online disinformation has been in destabilizing and diving the west you only have to look at a handful of poster on this site.
An official football forum representing a team from a town of 70k people in the NW of England no less.
That's how deep it's gone.

Are you suggesting that HaHaYeah has been reading and believing a load of bullshit?

Edit: probably listening to rather than reading.

[PeterWilton]

Are you suggesting that HaHaYeah has been reading and believing a load of bullshit?

Edit: probably listening to rather than reading.

His entire life.

[CombatClaret]

Are you suggesting that HaHaYeah has been reading and believing a load of bullshit?
Edit: probably listening to rather than reading.

That and people suggesting a sovereign nation with the right to self-determination wishing to join a defensive, second strike alliance or a political bloc founded on free trade is a legitimate casus-belli for another nation-state to mount a full-scale military invasion.
Plus several other talking points that could come straight out of RT or other Kremlin back Twitter mouthpieces.

Or the preference to deflect & derail with internal political debate eg: party funding or an unrelated war 19 years ago (red & blue so no one can accuse me of bias) over and instead of denouncing straight up warmongering the like of which Europe has not seen since 1939.

[Vegas Claret]

Why has there been zero news on Ukraine dropping bombs/missiles? Do they not have the capability to bomb Russian airbases? They're getting absolutely destroyed from the Sky, reduce the air threat and they've half a chance with boots on the ground due to sheer potential numbers in defensive position.

Before Russia invaded, Ukraine only had an air force (fighters) of less than 250 - you can take a chunk of those out as being non-operational, add to that many of them are old Russian AF aircraft left behind decades ago the reasons are pretty clear - they cannot compete and have no capability of striking Russia in Russia.

[Vegas Claret]

Indeed here's The Sun live streaming over Kiev https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYKg7f ... nel=TheSun

better here mate, 4 cams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIPNVm6lNfM

[IanMcL]

Why was St Petersburg allowed to play in the Euros against Real Betis? Surely they should have been packed off home?

[PeterWilton]

Wonder where the clown world regime installed comedian puppet president of Ukraine has fled to..

[Vegas Claret]

Why was St Petersburg allowed to play in the Euros against Real Betis? Surely they should have been packed off home?

I also wondered that

[PeterWilton]

Why was St Petersburg allowed to play in the Euros against Real Betis? Surely they should have been packed off home?

Neither the club nor players invaded anyone, nor their fans who travelled to watch them.

Kicking them out for what the Russian government did would be seen as petty because it'd be petty.

[thelaughingclaret]

Why was St Petersburg allowed to play in the Euros against Real Betis? Surely they should have been packed off home?

Why do you think?
I’ll give you a clue, it begins with Mon and ends with ey.
Same reason they aren’t any real sanctions against Putin, everyone is more bothered about how this will affect their own bank account than anything else. Putin knows that, he isn’t thick. He knows how greedy everyone in the west is.

[KRBFC]

Before Russia invaded, Ukraine only had an air force (fighters) of less than 250 - you can take a chunk of those out as being non-operational, add to that many of them are old Russian AF aircraft left behind decades ago the reasons are pretty clear - they cannot compete and have no capability of striking Russia in Russia.

Their lack of ability to destroy aircraft and equipment before it ends up on their side of the border has really got them on the backfoot.

[CombatClaret]

They are outnumbered and outgunned simple as that.
Could not fire first and provide the pretext Putin would have loved.
The first thing the enemy strikes is anything you can retaliate with before you can use it.

Planes with have been hit on the ground, radar destroyed, any artillery or missile batteries.
Air superiority established almost immediately and with it the chance of any counter offensive or even basic redeployment, any mass if troops out in the open will be easy pickings.

[PeterWilton]

Their lack of ability to destroy aircraft and equipment before it ends up on their side of the border has really got them on the backfoot.

C'mon man. Do you expect Ukraine to launch an attack against Russian military assets in Russia and Belarus before the Russian invasion? Think about that for a second.

[PeterWilton]

These people have balls of steel. Frozen ones, probably.



https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1 ... Y2ta15OeQg

[PeterWilton]

Looks like a fighter was shot down over Kyiv



https://twitter.com/golub/status/149704 ... f4fGv_5XoQ

[PeterWilton]

CNN are saying that Ukrainian officials are saying that it was a missile shot out of the sky. Which, if true, means Ukraine has some serious air defences. I think that's BS.
It was a big boy explosion though for it to be a fighter.
My bet is it was a military transport. In one video it looked like flares were deployed, which discounts a missile, and look at how this guys face (and the whole sky) was lit up from miles away.
But why was a military transport (or any large hostile aircraft) in the air over Kyiv? And flying so low? Weird.

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status ... oZi24ZF8pQ

[TsarBomba]

Lots of confusion over what has been knocked out of the sky. Now being suggested that it was a Ukrainian jet.

[Vegas Claret]

air raid sirens going off again now

[Vegas Claret]

Their lack of ability to destroy aircraft and equipment before it ends up on their side of the border has really got them on the backfoot.

even if they had the firepower they would never have done that, they aren't the aggressor. Bad news for Russia though if they fancy wandering through Europe is that the US has over double the amount of fighter jets that Russia has and that's without NATO. They also have far more advance bombers.

[Vegas Claret]

Lots of confusion over what has been knocked out of the sky. Now being suggested that it was a Ukrainian jet.

Russian jet
Ukranian jet
Russian missile
Ukranian missile

All been reported, it was a big explosion which would make me think it was a missile rather than a fighter jet - complete guesswork though

[PeterWilton]

Russian jet
Ukranian jet
Russian missile
Ukranian missile

All been reported, it was a big explosion which would make me think it was a missile rather than a fighter jet - complete guesswork though

It's a lot of flaming debris for it to be a missile, but it could be. Big ******* missile, though.

Anyway, this is wild. https://twitter.com/SidraSaeed07/status ... nlf8U1mRIQ

[RicardoMontalban]

The Hypocrites on parade. Watch them on CNN, the BBC, read them wall-to-wall.

Now imagine a strategic enclave of Britons, or French, or Germans, or Americans under violent siege - shelled and terrorised - for eight years. Would this be tolerated by the rulers of the world?

For Johnson and Biden to lecture us on the ethics of world affairs is absurd. Biden is currently stealing Afghanistan's cash reserves and condemning millions to starvation. The West could have brought peace to Ukraine, but chose not to.

"Invasion" news you won't read. The US is sending millions of dollars worth of arms to Europe's only openly neo-Nazi infested country while Britain trains Ukraine's neo-Nazi infested National Guard and the regime lays siege to Russian-speaking Donbas.

- John Pilger on twitter.

Yes, I do wonder what has happened to John Pilger. He has tied himself up in knots to the point that he’s unable to condemn the completely unjustified invasion of a sovereign state by an aggressive despot. Makes you wonder really.

[Vegas Claret]

It's a lot of flaming debris for it to be a missile, but it could be. Big ******* missile, though.

Anyway, this is wild. https://twitter.com/SidraSaeed07/status ... nlf8U1mRIQ

that's a computer game

[PeterWilton]

that's a computer game

**** me. lol. I thought it was too cool to be real.

I got got.

[AlargeClaret]

You have to feel for UKR but this is a textbook invasion from Vlad . I’d imagine UKR will quickly accede to avoid any mass loss of civilians.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Mobile Crematorium’s following the Russian troops.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... ps-battle/

[CombatClaret]

That's probably the last major question, at what point does UKR capitulate in order to save lives, military & civilian.

The worst case for Putin is that no call for surrender comes or is widely ignored and an while Russia has de-facto control of key sites an insurgency ensues.

He will want to claim victory and install his puppet government without and it's hard to claim a government has support when soldiers are being shot at by snipers or tanks are being destroy by pop up RPG attacks.

[Lancasterclaret]

Yes, I do wonder what has happened to John Pilger. He has tied himself up in knots to the point that he’s unable to condemn the completely unjustified invasion of a sovereign state by an aggressive despot. Makes you wonder really.

Deeply depressing that people I admired in my youth for their anti-war/anti-west stance (though I didn't agree with them) have been completely unable to deal with the changes in the ex-Soviet bloc and their input has suffered massively as a result

Corbyn is probably the classic example from a political point of view, Pilger from a writing point of view

[Andreshotboots]

Friend of ours is in the Royal Navy and he’s just had his leave cancelled and he’s been recalled back to his ship…not looking good.

[TsarBomba]

Reports of Russian column having broken into Kiev.

Ukraine sent ballistic missiles to a Russian airbase near Rostov on Don.

Lots of unconfirmed reports swirling around.

[RicardoMontalban]

Deeply depressing that people I admired in my youth for their anti-war/anti-west stance (though I didn't agree with them) have been completely unable to deal with the changes in the ex-Soviet bloc and their input has suffered massively as a result

Corbyn is probably the classic example from a political point of view, Pilger from a writing point of view

Absolutely. They appear stuck in a world where it’s still East vs West, capitalism vs communism, and the world has moved on. Pilgers’s retreat to accusations of fascism are interesting, as if Russia has any shortage of viciously nationalistic right wing thugs. Fascism as a term in the former Soviet Union has very different connotations to us in Western Europe.

I’ve seen this going round, from Richard Nixon in 92. Now I’m absolutely no fan of his but it’s eerily prescient:

"Russia at the present time is at a crossroads. It's often said that the Cold War is over and the West has won. That's only half true. Because what's happened is that the Communists have been defeated but the ideas of freedom are now on trial. If they don't work they'll be a reversion, not to Communism, which has failed but to what I call a new despotism, which would pose a
mortal danger to the rest of the world. Because it would be infected with the virus of Russian imperialism which has been a characteristic of Russian foreign policy for centuries. Therefore
the West has, the US has, everyone who wants freedom in the world has a great stake in freedom succeeding in Russia. If it succeeds it will be an example for others to follow, for China, for example to follow. if it fails then it means the hardliners in China will get a new life- they'll say if it failed there, there's no reason for us to turn to democracy, that's part of what is at stake here. The other point to have in mind is that it's vital it succeeds because it'll mean that Russia, which for seventy years has been trying to export the values of communism to the world, will be
exporting democracy, freedom and the goods of freedom."

[TsarBomba]

Ukrainians holding Russians back on four fronts around Kiev- unconfirmed.

[TsarBomba]

Lots of Russians heading north through Kerson. Last night it appeared Ukraine had stabilised the front and set up defensive positions along the Dnepr, but not sure that is the case now.

If the front moves rapidly in the south, that will have consequences for those Ukrainian units around Mariupol who will have to retreat or risk being out flanked.

[Sottpark1 !]

The Russians are here too undermining our society ..piece in Guardian “The Liberal Democrat MP Layla Moran, speaking with parliamentary privilege on Tuesday, listed the names of 35 alleged key Putin “enablers” whom the Russian opposition politician Alexei Navalny has asked to be sanctioned. Blocking the assets of everyone on that list and their close relatives would be a truly significant response from Johnson to the gravity of the situation. But it would still only be a start.

Relying solely on sanctions now is like stamping on a car’s accelerator when you’ve failed for years to maintain the engine, pump up the tyres or fill up the tank, yet still expect it to hit 95mph. Other announcements in the last couple of days have amounted to nothing more than painting on go-faster stripes. Tackling the UK’s role in enabling Putin’s kleptocracy, and containing the threat his allies pose to democracy here and elsewhere, will require far more than just banning golden visas or Kremlin TV stations.

For a start, we need to know who owns our country. Some 87,000 properties in England and Wales are owned via offshore companies – which prevents us seeing who their true owners are or if they were bought with criminal money. Companies House makes no checks on registrations, which is why UK shell structures have featured in most Russian money-laundering scandals. Imposing transparency on the ownership of dirty money in this way would strike at the heart of the London money-laundering machine. Governments have promised to do this “when parliamentary time allows” for years, yet the time has never been found, and instead they’ve listened to concerns from the City that such regulations would harm its competitiveness.“Sadly no chance of Johnson doing this !

[CoolClaret]

Looking up more on Putin’s comments of ‘De-Nazification’ of Ukraine, which seemed perplexing to me as the President is Jewish and actually had 3 of his family die in the holocaust…

But on the further inspection it seems like in 2014 in the Donbass regions Ukraine had Neo-Nazi militia groups fighting alongside them and had no issue arming them.

Can anyone shed any more light on these accusations/severity of them?

Obviously I know Putin is using that sentiment/angle and vastly amplifying it - ie there’s not like widespread Nazis in Ukraine or anything

Cheers

[TsarBomba]

Looking up more on Putin’s comments of ‘De-Nazification’ of Ukraine, which seemed perplexing to me as the President is Jewish and actually had 3 of his family die in the holocaust…

But on the further inspection it seems like in 2014 in the Donbass regions Ukraine had Neo-Nazi militia groups fighting alongside them and had no issue arming them.

Can anyone shed any more light on these accusations/severity of them?

Obviously I know Putin is using that sentiment/angle and vastly amplifying it - ie there’s not like widespread Nazis in Ukraine or anything

Cheers

Azov Battalion based in the east near Mariupol. Far right nationalistic infantry unit that I think have now been incorporated into the Ukrainian army proper.