Not a chance, he is taking it all.
In poker terms , he has gone all in.
I think they will not wait long enough to see the outcome. Russia attacked because the West looked weak, I expect China will be itching to open p the second front. It is really not looking good… a Labour MP today asked for ‘a diplomatic settlement’, finger on the pulse or what? It’s bloody frightening and God hopes Britain aren’t caught with their pants down for a third time… not that there is much hope.Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:07 pmChina are watching closely, they want to annex Taiwan just as Putin is doing with Ukraine.
Once they see we are weak, they will attack Taiwan.
That’s why we have to cut off Russia , it would be the only deterrent to China.
How many businesses in the UK would be screwed if we stopped buying from China?Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:07 pmChina are watching closely, they want to annex Taiwan just as Putin is doing with Ukraine.
Once they see we are weak, they will attack Taiwan.
That’s why we have to cut off Russia , it would be the only deterrent to China.
I doubt that Lowbank to take the whole of Ukraine he would need nearer 1 million troops and to hold it he would probably need double that.Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:11 pmNot a chance, he is taking it all.
In poker terms , he has gone all in.
There Air Force is not/ was not strong enough KR and a number of there planes were destroyed on the ground. On top of that the Russians have a huge and excellent, integrated Air defence capability that would have negated what ever air power the Ukraines could get though.KRBFC wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:27 pmWhy has there been zero news on Ukraine dropping bombs/missiles? Do they not have the capability to bomb Russian airbases? They're getting absolutely destroyed from the Sky, reduce the air threat and they've half a chance with boots on the ground due to sheer potential numbers in defensive position.
His Twitter feed is the definition of bat **** mental.HahaYeah wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:51 pmThe Hypocrites on parade. Watch them on CNN, the BBC, read them wall-to-wall.
Now imagine a strategic enclave of Britons, or French, or Germans, or Americans under violent siege - shelled and terrorised - for eight years. Would this be tolerated by the rulers of the world?
For Johnson and Biden to lecture us on the ethics of world affairs is absurd. Biden is currently stealing Afghanistan's cash reserves and condemning millions to starvation. The West could have brought peace to Ukraine, but chose not to.
"Invasion" news you won't read. The US is sending millions of dollars worth of arms to Europe's only openly neo-Nazi infested country while Britain trains Ukraine's neo-Nazi infested National Guard and the regime lays siege to Russian-speaking Donbas.
- John Pilger on twitter.
HahaYeah wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:51 pmThe Hypocrites on parade. Watch them on CNN, the BBC, read them wall-to-wall.
Now imagine a strategic enclave of Britons, or French, or Germans, or Americans under violent siege - shelled and terrorised - for eight years. Would this be tolerated by the rulers of the world?
For Johnson and Biden to lecture us on the ethics of world affairs is absurd. Biden is currently stealing Afghanistan's cash reserves and condemning millions to starvation. The West could have brought peace to Ukraine, but chose not to.
Wow who is John Pilger is it a Russian Bot address maybe?
I can sort of get the link to Iraq or Afghanistan but anyone who sees them as the same as what is happening today in Ukraine has a very distorted view of what actually happened.
"Invasion" news you won't read. The US is sending millions of dollars worth of arms to Europe's only openly neo-Nazi infested country while Britain trains Ukraine's neo-Nazi infested National Guard and the regime lays siege to Russian-speaking Donbas.
- John Pilger on twitter.
I think it's the Sun who have been live streaming Kiev, bombing expected in 50 minutes (with Ukraine 2 hours ahead)?JarrowClaret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:29 pm
They are expecting a heavy air bombardment in Kiev shortly according to Ukraine officials let’s see what is left when we wake up.
Are you suggesting that HaHaYeah has been reading and believing a load of bullshit?CombatClaret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:12 amIf you ever wanted to gauge how effective Russia's long campaign of online disinformation has been in destabilizing and diving the west you only have to look at a handful of poster on this site.
An official football forum representing a team from a town of 70k people in the NW of England no less.
That's how deep it's gone.
His entire life.TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:30 amAre you suggesting that HaHaYeah has been reading and believing a load of bullshit?
Edit: probably listening to rather than reading.
That and people suggesting a sovereign nation with the right to self-determination wishing to join a defensive, second strike alliance or a political bloc founded on free trade is a legitimate casus-belli for another nation-state to mount a full-scale military invasion.TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:30 amAre you suggesting that HaHaYeah has been reading and believing a load of bullshit?
Edit: probably listening to rather than reading.
Before Russia invaded, Ukraine only had an air force (fighters) of less than 250 - you can take a chunk of those out as being non-operational, add to that many of them are old Russian AF aircraft left behind decades ago the reasons are pretty clear - they cannot compete and have no capability of striking Russia in Russia.KRBFC wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:27 pmWhy has there been zero news on Ukraine dropping bombs/missiles? Do they not have the capability to bomb Russian airbases? They're getting absolutely destroyed from the Sky, reduce the air threat and they've half a chance with boots on the ground due to sheer potential numbers in defensive position.
better here mate, 4 camsKRBFC wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 12:12 amIndeed here's The Sun live streaming over Kiev https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYKg7f ... nel=TheSun
Neither the club nor players invaded anyone, nor their fans who travelled to watch them.
Why do you think?
Their lack of ability to destroy aircraft and equipment before it ends up on their side of the border has really got them on the backfoot.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:02 amBefore Russia invaded, Ukraine only had an air force (fighters) of less than 250 - you can take a chunk of those out as being non-operational, add to that many of them are old Russian AF aircraft left behind decades ago the reasons are pretty clear - they cannot compete and have no capability of striking Russia in Russia.
C'mon man. Do you expect Ukraine to launch an attack against Russian military assets in Russia and Belarus before the Russian invasion? Think about that for a second.
even if they had the firepower they would never have done that, they aren't the aggressor. Bad news for Russia though if they fancy wandering through Europe is that the US has over double the amount of fighter jets that Russia has and that's without NATO. They also have far more advance bombers.
Russian jet
It's a lot of flaming debris for it to be a missile, but it could be. Big ******* missile, though.Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 5:19 amRussian jet
Ukranian jet
Russian missile
Ukranian missile
All been reported, it was a big explosion which would make me think it was a missile rather than a fighter jet - complete guesswork though
Yes, I do wonder what has happened to John Pilger. He has tied himself up in knots to the point that he’s unable to condemn the completely unjustified invasion of a sovereign state by an aggressive despot. Makes you wonder really.HahaYeah wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:51 pmThe Hypocrites on parade. Watch them on CNN, the BBC, read them wall-to-wall.
Now imagine a strategic enclave of Britons, or French, or Germans, or Americans under violent siege - shelled and terrorised - for eight years. Would this be tolerated by the rulers of the world?
For Johnson and Biden to lecture us on the ethics of world affairs is absurd. Biden is currently stealing Afghanistan's cash reserves and condemning millions to starvation. The West could have brought peace to Ukraine, but chose not to.
"Invasion" news you won't read. The US is sending millions of dollars worth of arms to Europe's only openly neo-Nazi infested country while Britain trains Ukraine's neo-Nazi infested National Guard and the regime lays siege to Russian-speaking Donbas.
- John Pilger on twitter.
that's a computer gamePeterWilton wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 6:02 amIt's a lot of flaming debris for it to be a missile, but it could be. Big ******* missile, though.
Anyway, this is wild. https://twitter.com/SidraSaeed07/status ... nlf8U1mRIQ
**** me. lol. I thought it was too cool to be real.
Deeply depressing that people I admired in my youth for their anti-war/anti-west stance (though I didn't agree with them) have been completely unable to deal with the changes in the ex-Soviet bloc and their input has suffered massively as a resultRicardoMontalban wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 6:10 amYes, I do wonder what has happened to John Pilger. He has tied himself up in knots to the point that he’s unable to condemn the completely unjustified invasion of a sovereign state by an aggressive despot. Makes you wonder really.
Absolutely. They appear stuck in a world where it’s still East vs West, capitalism vs communism, and the world has moved on. Pilgers’s retreat to accusations of fascism are interesting, as if Russia has any shortage of viciously nationalistic right wing thugs. Fascism as a term in the former Soviet Union has very different connotations to us in Western Europe.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:33 amDeeply depressing that people I admired in my youth for their anti-war/anti-west stance (though I didn't agree with them) have been completely unable to deal with the changes in the ex-Soviet bloc and their input has suffered massively as a result
Corbyn is probably the classic example from a political point of view, Pilger from a writing point of view
Azov Battalion based in the east near Mariupol. Far right nationalistic infantry unit that I think have now been incorporated into the Ukrainian army proper.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:34 amLooking up more on Putin’s comments of ‘De-Nazification’ of Ukraine, which seemed perplexing to me as the President is Jewish and actually had 3 of his family die in the holocaust…
But on the further inspection it seems like in 2014 in the Donbass regions Ukraine had Neo-Nazi militia groups fighting alongside them and had no issue arming them.
Can anyone shed any more light on these accusations/severity of them?
Obviously I know Putin is using that sentiment/angle and vastly amplifying it - ie there’s not like widespread Nazis in Ukraine or anything
Cheers