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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:57 am

No one please react to the above post

Just feel sorry for him that he posts stuff like that when the evidence of his own eyes is right in front of him

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:58 am

EU bans Russian banks from SWIFT

Not even remotely my area this, but this will hit hard from what I've read

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Mala591 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:02 pm

The assassination of Putin is going to be the only way out of this horrific mess. I suspect his senior military generals have a military coup nagging away in the back of their minds. It will take a lot of courage to move from thoughts to action though.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:05 pm

Ukraianian militia taking a captured Russian T-72 for what looks like a joy ride

https://www.facebook.com/diwosvit/video ... 451953544/

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:08 pm

Interesting how often we are seeing unarmed citizens obstructing troops who are unwilling to move them on physically…

https://twitter.com/marqs__/status/1498 ... 07105?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:12 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:02 pm
The assassination of Putin is going to be the only way out of this horrific mess. I suspect his senior military generals have a military coup nagging away in the back of their minds. It will take a lot of courage to move from thoughts to action though.
Might not be so straight forward… Putin gets rid of them as soon as they seem to question him in any way. The evidence came on day two or three when he fired his Chief of Staff…. The last thing a leader normally does at the start of a war.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by ClaretInLeeds » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:14 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:08 pm
Interesting how often we are seeing unarmed citizens obstructing troops who are unwilling to move them on physically…

https://twitter.com/marqs__/status/1498 ... 07105?s=21
At least it proves that frontline troops are abiding by some sort of rules of war. You can’t attack unarmed civilians.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by TheFamilyCat » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:14 pm

ClaretInLeeds wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:45 am
You laugh, but what companies are effectively doing is ostracising Russia in any way possible. Advertising, promotion, buying from Russian suppliers and procuring Russian made assets will hurt Putin because his own people will turn on him and, at worst, remove him from power.

As trivial as it seems, every little statement like this will help Ukraine.
Is this the case for beer though? Isn't most foreign beer brewed in the UK under licence?

Probably the cynic coming out in me but I think there's also a fine line between organisations taking genuine action to support Ukrainians or hurt Russia and exploiting the situation for self-promotion.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Hipper » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:15 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:12 pm
Might not be so straight forward… Putin gets rid of them as soon as they seem to question him in any way. The evidence came on day two or three when he fired his Chief of Staff…. The last thing a leader normally does at the start of a war.
Has that been confirmed though?

If it has he could have been sacked for any number of reasons including proper military ones like a failure to achieve objectives that Putin was told were achievable with the forces at hand.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Hipper » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:17 pm

If Putin is replaced, what sort of person do you think will have the authority required to do it? My guess is only someone similar to Putin, one of his cronies.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:18 pm

Hipper wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:17 pm
If Putin is replaced, what sort of person do you think will have the authority required to do it? My guess is only someone similar to Putin, one of his cronies.
No idea at all

Unlikely to be worse when you look at the last six days though

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by The Enclosure » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:22 pm

Perhaps a few of the guys from Hereford may relish the chance of a trip to Moscow.
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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:32 pm

Hipper wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:17 pm
If Putin is replaced, what sort of person do you think will have the authority required to do it? My guess is only someone similar to Putin, one of his cronies.
I think anyone willing and able to take Putin from power will be well aware of his backing. After years of staking Parliament it is going to take someone incredibly brave within the Duma, more likely they will align once a populist leader emerges outside Parliament, those within will start switching sides.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:39 pm

The Enclosure wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:22 pm
Perhaps a few of the guys from Hereford may relish the chance of a trip to Moscow.
It would most likely be a one way trip unfortunately

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:13 pm

Everton have, with immediate effect, suspended it's sponsorship deals with 3 Russian companies, Yota, USM and Megafon.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by duncandisorderly » Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:18 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:13 pm
Everton have, with immediate effect, suspended it's sponsorship deals with 3 Russian companies, Yota, USM and Megafon.
Can't see the Decepticons being happy about that.
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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:19 pm

Suspect this is pretty accurate map of where Russia is

Only 95% more of the country to conquer, and almost all the cities

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/14 ... 1770288132

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by ClaretLoup » Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:19 pm

There have been several assassination attempts on Putin already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pxJE02lksw

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:24 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:19 pm
Suspect this is pretty accurate map of where Russia is

Only 95% more of the country to conquer, and almost all the cities

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/14 ... 1770288132
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/a ... pment.html

I think Russia runs out of tanks before Ukraine runs out of land based on that

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:34 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:18 pm
Can't see the Decepticons being happy about that.
My autocorrect did try and put Megatron in there

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:35 pm

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/14 ... 4934705154

Couple of damaged (captured) Ukrainian T-64s

Btw, capturing undamaged stuff that can be used against the opposition is only really helpful if you have the trained crews to man them

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:39 pm

Russian troops in Balikaya (Khark'iv oblast)

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1499015116922277891

Worth mentioning that this lot appear to know what they are doing, notice that they are not bunched together so not as easy to ambush

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:55 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:39 pm
Russian troops in Balikaya (Khark'iv oblast)

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1499015116922277891

Worth mentioning that this lot appear to know what they are doing, notice that they are not bunched together so not as easy to ambush
Downside to travelling at speed through unfamiliar territory can create its own problems. A decent road block and drivers reacting to sudden halts… Archduke Ferdinand or Enniskillen type traps.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:04 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 1:55 pm
Downside to travelling at speed through unfamiliar territory can create its own problems. A decent road block and drivers reacting to sudden halts… Archduke Ferdinand or Enniskillen type traps.
To be honest, judging by the amount of pics from Balikaya, may well be a captured town now

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Re: Russia Invades

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:07 pm

Boris Johnston remains tight lipped over RA sanctions..

https://twitter.com/reutersuk/status/14 ... 40808?s=21

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:07 pm

Worth mentioning here that the shelling of Kyi'v and Khark'iv (and others) and clear targeting of civilians could result in more refugees, and that may well be part of the Russian plan now

Flood the west with them, and hope that people we all know exist start to moan about it

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:11 pm

Farmers recovering a Russian TOR SAM system

Ukraine had no TOR systems before the invasion, now they have more than one at least (assuming it still works)

If they work, then these are state of the art (well, for Russia) systems and will make it harder for their aircraft to operate over Ukrainian air space

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/stat ... 1908630530

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by elwaclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:14 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:07 pm
Worth mentioning here that the shelling of Kyi'v and Khark'iv (and others) and clear targeting of civilians could result in more refugees, and that may well be part of the Russian plan now

Flood the west with them, and hope that people we all know exist start to moan about it
Watched Biden’s State of the Union address, he is attempting to keep ‘America First’ on side with a whole raft of ‘Buy American’ measures, reducing medical cost and a huge infrastructure rebuild and generally “Let’s make America great” and future-proof… a balance no doubt for the amount America react to ‘foreign wars’… as we know they have form against ‘European’ wars.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:15 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:07 pm
Worth mentioning here that the shelling of Kyi'v and Khark'iv (and others) and clear targeting of civilians could result in more refugees, and that may well be part of the Russian plan now

Flood the west with them, and hope that people we all know exist start to moan about it
I know this was controversial originally, but wasn't this what Belarus tried to do with their attempt to lure refugee's/migrants in and then send them into the EU via Poland?
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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:22 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:15 pm
I know this was controversial originally, but wasn't this what Belarus tried to do with their attempt to lure refugee's/migrants in and then send them into the EU via Poland?
Yeah

They flew Syrians into Belarus, telling them they could cross to the West without an issue, which (of course) turned out to be false

The reasons the queues are so big at the border is that they are checking who is coming over I think

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Spijed » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:24 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:11 pm
Farmers recovering a Russian TOR SAM system

Ukraine had no TOR systems before the invasion, now they have more than one at least (assuming it still works)

If they work, then these are state of the art (well, for Russia) systems and will make it harder for their aircraft to operate over Ukrainian air space

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/stat ... 1908630530
Lancaster, when the opposition manage to secure such equipment how long does it normally take them to learn how to use them correctly in battle conditions?

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:26 pm

So much info flying around

Who knew the potential political implications of maps showing Russian control?

https://twitter.com/Calthalas/status/14 ... 8755680260

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:28 pm

Spijed wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:24 pm
Lancaster, when the opposition manage to secure such equipment how long does it normally take them to learn how to use them correctly in battle conditions?
Not a scooby doo!

An AK-47? Half an hour

A RPG? Even less than that

But more sophisticated stuff like vehicles not a clue

I don't even know long it takes to learn how operate the Western "fire and forget" anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, but I guess it can't be that long

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:29 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:22 pm
Yeah

They flew Syrians into Belarus, telling them they could cross to the West without an issue, which (of course) turned out to be false

The reasons the queues are so big at the border is that they are checking who is coming over I think
I've seen the hoo hah about the non-ukrainians being stuck in Ukraine until their own countries can do something about getting them out, many appear to be students.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:31 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:26 pm
So much info flying around

Who knew the potential political implications of maps showing Russian control?

https://twitter.com/Calthalas/status/14 ... 8755680260
That's quite informative and encourages a different way of thinking about maps during wars etc.

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:32 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:29 pm
I've seen the hoo hah about the non-ukrainians being stuck in Ukraine until their own countries can do something about getting them out, many appear to be students.
Yeah, think the BBC had something on that

Its a problem no doubt

Pretty easily solvable as long as the West remains united though

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:38 pm

ClaretInLeeds wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:45 am
You laugh, but what companies are effectively doing is ostracising Russia in any way possible. Advertising, promotion, buying from Russian suppliers and procuring Russian made assets will hurt Putin because his own people will turn on him and, at worst, remove him from power.

As trivial as it seems, every little statement like this will help Ukraine.
been a huge push here (Vegas) for liquor stores, bars etc to bin the Russian stuff and replace it with Ukrainian and it seems most are getting on board. Sounds trivial, but like you say, every bit hurts Putin
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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:40 pm

Words fail me

I mean, does it even work?

https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/1498804403658178563

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:46 pm

Bit on why the Russian air force might not be as active as everyone expected

https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/p ... -air-force

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by ClaretInLeeds » Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:49 pm

Spijed wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:24 pm
Lancaster, when the opposition manage to secure such equipment how long does it normally take them to learn how to use them correctly in battle conditions?
Depends if they have a Haynes manual with them
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Re: Russia Invades

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:00 pm

https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/sta ... O8MIw&s=19

John Deere's marketing department are trying to work out if this is good or bad for them :lol:

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:29 pm

Russian Duma proposes imprisonment for spreading "false news" about the war in Ukraine

Pretty much anything that doesn't show Russian troops in a heroic light will come under that

Show how worried they are, but I'm not sure it will stop the information getting through

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Spijed » Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:33 pm

And you don't need to declare any captured Russian tanks on your Ukrainian tax return
https://twitter.com/MatthewBevan/status ... 2951763970

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:35 pm

Couple of destroyed Ukrainian tanks on the outskirts of Mariupol

https://twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1499026550628433923

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by dsr » Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:48 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 2:28 pm
Not a scooby doo!

An AK-47? Half an hour

A RPG? Even less than that

But more sophisticated stuff like vehicles not a clue

I don't even know long it takes to learn how operate the Western "fire and forget" anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, but I guess it can't be that long
You can be fairly sure that if there is anyone in the world outside Russia who knows how these things work, then the very best online training will be available to the Ukrainians on request. Which will hopefully speed up the learning process.
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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:51 pm

NATO reinforcements in Germany from the US

1st Air Cavalry Brigade

https://twitter.com/USArmyEURAF/status/ ... 4672051200

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:58 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:51 pm
NATO reinforcements in Germany from the US

1st Air Cavalry Brigade

https://twitter.com/USArmyEURAF/status/ ... 4672051200
the mystic and pointless Apache helicopter - spend most of their time on the deck with mechanical issues unfortunately

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:59 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:58 pm
the mystic and pointless Apache helicopter - spend most of their time on the deck with mechanical issues unfortunately
The ones that fly over my house regularly seem to be okay!

Like anything though, no one knows how useful they will be until they are tested in a combat environment

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Re: Russia Invades

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 02, 2022 4:01 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Wed Mar 02, 2022 3:59 pm
The ones that fly over my house regularly seem to be okay!

Like anything though, no one knows how useful they will be until they are tested in a combat environment
The British ones tend to be better, but that's because we upgraded them.
I've seen them mooching around Salisbury when I worked that way

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