Russia Invades

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:54 pm

I keep mentioning it, but Russia are blasting the areas with large Russian speaking populations, AND THOSE ARE THE REGIONS THAT HAVE STOPPED THE RUSSIANS DEAD.

There isn't anyway he holds on to these places whatever happens

ClaretMov · Post by **ClaretMov** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:55 pm

elwaclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:51 pm
Clearly strategic and carefully targeted attacks, either that of those fascist Ukrainian’s blowing up their own cities so they can blame Russia. Either way the West hands are clearly dirty

???????? WTF

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:02 pm

ClaretMov wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:55 pm
???????? WTF

It is called irony ClaretMov

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:05 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:46 pm
Haway man, they are what, 11 MPs and a very small % of the electorate

If Putin thinks that shows "splits in the West" then he's even madder than I thought he was

It isn’t just those though is it?

The Tories are almost certain not to follow through fully on their rhetoric of sanctions to oligarchs because of self interest (to both country and party) and the Germans are almost certain not to ban SWIFT on oil and gas.

All our countries have self interest which they weigh up against the lives of Ukrainians. It sounds harsh but that is reality. Unfortunately I am not persuaded that anything will stop Putin achieving his (revised) objectives for that reason. The West is more ‘together’ than I expected, but not as much as it needs to be, that’s as succinctly as I can put it.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:05 pm

An insight to how indoctrinated the Russian public are…

https://twitter.com/bbcworld/status/149 ... 34880?s=21

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:12 pm

Billy Balfour wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:51 am
Abramovich still isn't under UK sanctions. He's probably one of the most prominent oligarchs in the world, given his association/ownership of Chelsea, yet we hit the low-hanging fruit, rather than him. Aye, a guy who has privileged access to Putin, and even bangs on about being able to organise 'peace talks' at the drop of a hat through his privileged access to Putin, yet he remains untouched. It stinks.

100 % agree.

The government brought in emergency legislation in to put the country into the curfew known as lockdown based on what has been recently admitted to have been no better than guess work. It should bring in equivalent legislation to enable the government to seize all the liquid and physical assets of any oligarchs residing in the UK Immediately. No guess work or modelling involved here Russia has invaded another non-aggressive sovereign nation.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:15 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:05 pm
It isn’t just those though is it?

The Tories are almost certain not to follow through fully on their rhetoric of sanctions to oligarchs because of self interest (to both country and party) and the Germans are almost certain not to ban SWIFT on oil and gas.

All our countries have self interest which they weigh up against the lives of Ukrainians. It sounds harsh but that is reality. Unfortunately I am not persuaded that anything will stop Putin achieving his (revised) objectives for that reason. The West is more ‘together’ than I expected, but not as much as it needs to be, that’s as succinctly as I can put it.

I fully expect it all to be tightened up over the weekend. Britain’s legal system is far deeper and more complicated than most ‘newer’ nations. It can be argued the the Tories are reluctant… no one knows the can of worms that could result from legal challenges etc. Therefore getting sanctions to leave no wriggle room for legal challenges takes time. Probably more time than anyone is comfortable with. Most of it (not all) is there to protect out rights, so we need to be careful what we wish for. And I presume is why they are going for the banks first, much easier to take out.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:23 pm

The Abramovich situation will only become clear later. I am on the face of it all for sanctioning him. However, after so long, one has to wonder if he is proving useful to the West in ways not being publicised.

An expert on Russian Oligarchs for example last night suggested that Putin while controlling them has been desperate to get them back within Russia for some time, and that it is they who are trying to distance themselves from him s much as they could for some considerable time…

So WE really don’t know what is happening behind closed doors.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:26 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑
Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:07 pm
I work in the fuel industry and £2 a litre is not an unrealistic prediction. I talk to a lot of transport managers and one today said he saw 1.80 on the motorway.

Jumped again to 163.9p today

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:28 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:05 pm
It isn’t just those though is it?

The Tories are almost certain not to follow through fully on their rhetoric of sanctions to oligarchs because of self interest (to both country and party) and the Germans are almost certain not to ban SWIFT on oil and gas.

All our countries have self interest which they weigh up against the lives of Ukrainians. It sounds harsh but that is reality. Unfortunately I am not persuaded that anything will stop Putin achieving his (revised) objectives for that reason. The West is more ‘together’ than I expected, but not as much as it needs to be, that’s as succinctly as I can put it.

Good job that we are irrelevant compared to the sanctions from everybody else then isn't it?

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:47 pm

Staff of Russian TV station ‘Rain’ resigned on mass live on air. Ending the broadcast with “No War!” Before leaving the rest of the show to play the symbolic Swan Lake, which was played across Russia at the falling of the wall.

https://twitter.com/robbierinder/status ... 97448?s=21

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:50 pm

Another Russian soldier wondering what the hell they are fighting for…

https://twitter.com/swatiikr/status/149 ... 55680?s=21

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:54 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:26 pm
Jumped again to 163.9p today

Seen €191.9 in Galway this morning

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:55 pm

Russia turns their attention to BBC world service and BBC Russian service.

https://twitter.com/bbcworld/status/149 ... 41601?s=21

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:56 pm

Tribesmen wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:54 pm
Seen €191.9 in Galway this morning

So roughly £1.58?

What's it normally there without stuff like Ukraine going on?

Tribesmen · Post by **Tribesmen** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:57 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:56 pm
So roughly £1.58?

What's it normally there without stuff like Ukraine going on?

Before the war it was €177.9

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:09 pm

Visible signs the West are turning away from Russian Gas supplies.

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1499 ... 72961?s=21

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:12 pm

https://twitter.com/ywnreporter/status/ ... 99425?s=21

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:50 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:46 pm
Haway man, they are what, 11 MPs and a very small % of the electorate

If Putin thinks that shows "splits in the West" then he's even madder than I thought he was

The problem is, as in most Western Societies, but especially UK, is we put that tiny minority all over the press and media. It gives them an audience they don't deserve. It wouldn't be difficult for Putins propaganda machine to make 2 and 2 look like 6.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:54 pm

grim, more targeted civilian shelling
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/statu ... j0y9TiGRqQ

Sottpark1 ! · Post by **Sottpark1 !** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:06 pm

To be fair the World Service have been fantastic throughout this War , the breadth and ability to get to all parts of the Ukraine has been impressive and courageous , those who underestimate how much soft power this exerts throughout the world do so at their peril no wonder Moscow is starting to clamp down on it, millions of people in Eastern Europe tune in !

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:29 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:32 am
I read it and liked it because I think putting up with some disruption to what we normally do is worth it

I assume (well hope to be honest) that you think its profiteering and isn't necessary, rather than the slightly more darker explanation

Some disruption?
Do you understand what effect £2 per litre will have on this country?
I mean if you are just looking at a slight rise on cost getting to and from your weekly trip to Tesco, then yeah, it's not a big deal, but that's not where it ends is it?
£2 a litre will raise the cost of everything and will push a fair portion of this country into relative poverty.
Industries will collapse. People will lose their jobs and infant mortality rates will rise.
All because of a stupid war between the West and Russia.
A war that some people seem weirdly excited about.
I'll happily make sacrifices for the people displaced by this pointless conflict, but I certainly won't celebrate its impact for a few likes on here.

I'm off this thread for good now.
I'm sorry if I've offended anyone.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:41 pm

Damo wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:29 pm
Some disruption?
Do you understand what effect £2 per litre will have on this country?
I mean if you are just looking at a slight rise on cost getting to and from your weekly trip to Tesco, then yeah, it's not a big deal, but that's not where it ends is it?
£2 a litre will raise the cost of everything and will push a fair portion of this country into relative poverty.
Industries will collapse. People will lose their jobs and infant mortality rates will rise.
All because of a stupid war between the West and Russia.
A war that some people seem weirdly excited about.
I'll happily make sacrifices for the people displaced by this pointless conflict, but I certainly won't celebrate its impact for a few likes on here.

I'm off this thread for good now.
I'm sorry if I've offended anyone.

Yes, fully

But its up the governments to do something about that Damo, and what is the alternative?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:49 pm

Some sort of hand held missile taking out a tank

https://twitter.com/ArmedForcesUkr/stat ... 6776445959

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:51 pm

Russian air losses today

Very hard to operate effectively in an airspace that is contested and the other side has effective and plentiful stocks of SAM missiles

https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/statu ... 1875876872

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:53 pm

Sottpark1 ! wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:06 pm
To be fair the World Service have been fantastic throughout this War , the breadth and ability to get to all parts of the Ukraine has been impressive and courageous , those who underestimate how much soft power this exerts throughout the world do so at their peril no wonder Moscow is starting to clamp down on it, millions of people in Eastern Europe tune in !

I listen to it a lot over here in the US just because it reports on stuff from everywhere.

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:55 pm

Was going to reply to Damo but it’s perhaps best I don’t as I don’t want the thread to be pulled. Let’s just say I’m happy they’ll be no more contributions from him.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 4:00 pm

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:55 pm
Was going to reply to Damo but it’s perhaps best I don’t as I don’t want the thread to be pulled. Let’s just say I’m happy they’ll be no more contributions from him.

He's sound is Damo

And he's right about millions being pulled into poverty, but that can be laid at the door of one man, Vladimir Putin

Sottpark1 ! · Post by **Sottpark1 !** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 4:01 pm

Interestingly China not showing any Premier league games this week on tv as worried about shows of support for the Ukraine, their media is unanimously in support of Russia showing footage and interviews from Russia Today and other Russian broadcasters without veracity, it’s virtually a propaganda tool for Putin with nothing from the Ukranian side ...so much for China as an honest broker !

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 4:05 pm

Mala591 wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:18 pm
If NATO ‘stands by’ and doesn’t intervene Russia will succeed in their illegal occupation of Ukraine. To save thousands of lives Ukraine should accept the inevitable and surrender. Europe will have changed drastically and will be a much more unstable and dangerous place to live.

I think you're seriously underestimating the strength of the Ukrainians if you think they should just surrender their land. After that Putin will invade Georgia, you will be telling them to roll over and have their belly tickled too. The Ukrainians can win this war, they have the numbers to do so.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:27 pm

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -for-putin

Interesting article about Ukraine cutting the water supply to Crimea after Russia annexed it and this has increased tensions since.

That dam was destroyed the other day by Russian soldiers apparently.

SalouClaret · Post by **SalouClaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:29 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:27 pm
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... -for-putin

Interesting article about Ukraine cutting the water supply to Crimea after Russia annexed it and this has increased tensions since.

That dam was destroyed the other day by Russian soldiers apparently.

I'd argue the invasion of Crimea was what raised tensions somewhat.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:37 pm

SalouClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:29 pm
I'd argue the invasion of Crimea was what raised tensions somewhat.

I agree with that, however the Russians have made a clear point of restoring the flow of water to the area during this invasion

Looking back at various reports, there was a belief that cutting the water to Crimea had the potential to lead to another armed conflict.

Mayoclaret · Post by **Mayoclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:37 pm

Tribesmen wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:54 pm
Seen €191.9 in Galway this morning

Ordered 650 litres of Heating Oil (Kerosene) on Monday night at 671 euros here in Mayo, this morning it would cost 896 euros.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:40 pm

https://twitter.com/CodaStory/status/14 ... ZZlFg&s=19

Worth a read

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:52 pm

Antonov AN-225, the world's largest plane, has been destroyed at Hostomel airport during heavy fighting.

https://twitter.com/AntonovCompany/stat ... cx6Qw&s=19

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:58 pm

I wish the Americans had a reasonable handle on their rhetoric ( as well as their geography) . For them it’s a war far far away and I’m a tad concerned with the whole “just assasinate Putin “ nonsense . While I appreciate Biden is riddled with degenerative cognitive issues , I hope the people who actually make the decisions appreciate how dangerous Vlad is

claret2018 · Post by **claret2018** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:00 pm

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:58 pm
I wish the Americans had a reasonable handle on their rhetoric ( as well as their geography) . For them it’s a war far far away and I’m a tad concerned with the whole “just assasinate Putin “ nonsense . While I appreciate Biden is riddled with degenerative cognitive issues , I hope the people who actually make the decisions appreciate how dangerous Vlad is

Ironically Russia is only 50 miles away from the USA

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:01 pm

Two captured T-80s - certainly the first one is fully usable by the Ukrainians (judging by the translations below)

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/stat ... 2944564225

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:27 pm

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/statu ... 8572070914

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:28 pm

Russia using cluster munitions against civilians

https://twitter.com/N_Waters89/status/1 ... 6866178066

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:35 pm

Ukrainian Supermarket chains are terminating their deals with Coca-Cola, as the company is still operating in Russia.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:37 pm

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Saw this in Didcot earlier.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:54 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 6:37 pm
Screenshot_20220304-183647.png

Saw this in Didcot earlier.

They do great parts for vehicles

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:07 pm

Interesting article

https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/let ... or-rossii/

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:36 pm

JarrowClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:07 pm
Interesting article

https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/let ... or-rossii/

Lots of articles similar to that around

They are all drawing the same conclusions as well

I'd love to know what is working in the south, but not working at all in the north

Trading space for time?

I don't think its that now

Quality of troops better?

The NATO trained Ukrainian troops are certainly around Kiev, but there must be combat experienced troops all over the front, due to the ongoing fighting in the East

Who knows?

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:41 pm

Question for Lancaster, did you collect Commando comics as a kid?

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:45 pm

I know one persons suffering doesn't make another persons suffering any less but whatever economic suffering we have to go through I don't think it will even come close to this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60578293

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:45 pm

Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:41 pm
Question for Lancaster, did you collect Commando comics as a kid?

Nah, Victor I think it was!

Been a military history buff since I was a kid though

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:51 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:45 pm
Nah, Victor I think it was!

Been a military history buff since I was a kid though

Well I did and I had 100's of them. And I'm not ashamed to admit that some were bought when I wasn't a kid.

It's where I learned to speak German, well not every day use German, but still, it was German.