The lack of consistency when it comes to first half injury time, is astonishing, yet it just gets shrugged off.

You could say it’s a good thing today that it was only a minute, but why is it like this?

Olise received on-pitch treatment for at least two minutes today, yet Jon Moss blew after 59 seconds.

It happens in 90%+ of all games at half time.

Baffling

jdrobbo wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:50 pm

The lack of consistency when it comes to first half injury time, is astonishing, yet it just gets shrugged off.

You could say it’s a good thing today that it was only a minute, but why is it like this?

Olise received on-pitch treatment for at least two minutes today, yet Jon Miss blew after 59 seconds.

It happens in 90%+ of all games at half time.

Baffling

Frustrating isn’t it. The soft VAR check after their goal must have taken a minute too.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:51 pm

Frustrating isn’t it. The soft VAR check after their goal must have taken a minute too.

Forgot about that.

I'd like to see the averages for 1st and 2nd half injury time. I bet 2nd half stoppages are significantly longer

willsclarets wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:56 pm

I'd like to see the averages for 1st and 2nd half injury time. I bet 2nd half stoppages are significantly longer

They usually are as more substitutions happen in the second half

Yep fair point

It's the same in 2nd half injury time too, far too much time allowed to drift away with the ball not inplay, refs can't wait to get off the pitch.

Another strange thing that happens, can somebody explain? If they still toss a coin at the beginning of the game, how is it we almost always attack the cricket field stand in the first half of every home game? Laws of probability would suggest this wouldn’t happen so often.

Cabbage wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:17 pm

Another strange thing that happens, can somebody explain? If they still toss a coin at the beginning of the game, how is it we almost always attack the cricket field stand in the first half of every home game? Laws of probability would suggest this wouldn’t happen so often.

The team that wins the toss decides to either choose ends or kick off
If they choose to kick off the other team choose which end.

If we win the toss we will choose ends and I’d assume the away team generally want to be attacking towards their own supporters in the second half so if they win the toss would probably do the same

One minute given for first half stoppages this afternoon…

Why? Ref should’ve blown right on 45.

There were no injuries, no goals, no substitutions and no stoppages. Simply bizarre!!!

jdrobbo wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:39 pm

One minute given for first half stoppages this afternoon…

Why? Ref should’ve blown right on 45.

There were no injuries, no goals, no substitutions and no stoppages. Simply bizarre!!!

Daft isn't it?
I think it's time they used a "chess" style clock, visible to all, which accurately adds playing time lost.
Unfortunately what can be described as time wasting will always be at the discretion of the ref.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:43 pm

Daft isn't it?
I think it's time they used a "chess" style clock, visible to all, which accurately adds playing time lost.
Unfortunately what can be described as time wasting will always be at the discretion of the ref.

About thirty seconds into that minute, Chelsea won a corner. We could’ve gone in 1-0 down.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:43 pm

Daft isn't it?
I think it's time they used a "chess" style clock, visible to all, which accurately adds playing time lost.
Unfortunately what can be described as time wasting will always be at the discretion of the ref.

Burnley fans complaining about timewasting is phenomenal. Worst team in the league for it.

jdrobbo wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:44 pm

About thirty seconds into that minute, Chelsea won a corner. We could’ve gone in 1-0 down.

Like I say, it's down to the ref.
But how he could accurately state that time-wasting (or other delays) had happened is open to question.

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:46 pm

Burnley fans complaining about timewasting is phenomenal. Worst team in the league for it.

Are we?

Or is that a myth like being a dirty side?

jdrobbo wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:50 pm

The lack of consistency when it comes to first half injury time, is astonishing, yet it just gets shrugged off.

You could say it’s a good thing today that it was only a minute, but why is it like this?

Olise received on-pitch treatment for at least two minutes today, yet Jon Moss blew after 59 seconds.

It happens in 90%+ of all games at half time.

Baffling

In the grand scheme of things far bigger bugbears to be had there’s nitpicking & nitpicking.

jdrobbo wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:50 pm

The lack of consistency when it comes to first half injury time, is astonishing, yet it just gets shrugged off.

You could say it’s a good thing today that it was only a minute, but why is it like this?

Olise received on-pitch treatment for at least two minutes today, yet Jon Moss blew after 59 seconds.

It happens in 90%+ of all games at half time.

Baffling

It's baffling to us because we understand the rules and they're clearly not being followed.

It's not at all baffling to the refs though: They're reffing the game as a spectacle rather than implement the rules of a sporting event in a disinterested manner.

Remember watching the WWE wrestling as a kid. It's like that.

The refereeing culture is rotten to the core.

Rowls wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:54 pm

It's baffling to us because we understand the rules and they're clearly not being followed.

It's not at all baffling to the refs though: They're reffing the game as a spectacle rather than implement the rules of a sporting event in a disinterested manner.

Remember watching the WWE wrestling as a kid. It's like that.

The refereeing culture is rotten to the core.

Absolutely correct.

Second half was very interesting

Four goals
Five substitutions
Delay when James was injured

Two minutes added. Not as though I wanted any more.

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:46 pm

Burnley fans complaining about timewasting is phenomenal. Worst team in the league for it.

How do you come to that conclusion???

Cabbage wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:17 pm

Another strange thing that happens, can somebody explain? If they still toss a coin at the beginning of the game, how is it we almost always attack the cricket field stand in the first half of every home game? Laws of probability would suggest this wouldn’t happen so often.

Burnley traditionally kick towards the Bee-hole second half. We always run to the Jimmy Mac as most visitors neither know or care for the tradition. Occasionally an ex -claret will get us to turn around, after winning the toss; but more often they choose kick off. So we don’t have to chose ends if we win the toss.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:59 pm

Second half was very interesting

Four goals
Five substitutions
Delay when James was injured

Two minutes added. Not as though I wanted any more.

Precisely.

And the mindset of the referee (and seemingly all of the other officials) is 'ah well, Chelsea have this wrapped up so it doesn't matter.'

The same thinking was evident when he wasn't bothered about the two minutes they wasted when James was "injured" (and off the field of play BTW).

The same thinking was evident when we got no penalty for the foul on Mawel (which didn't appear to be reviewed by VAR).

'Ah well, Chelsea have this wrapped up so it doesn't matter.'

Of course, it didn't affect the result but when that's their mindset, it certainly affects the flow of the game - witness the James charade. And it certainly affects their decision making so it well and truly can and will affect results. Not today, but on other days it will.

The refereeing culture in this country is rotten to the core. If I were in charge of the PL I'd rip up all their contracts and go back to them being part-time. Refereeing expenditure might not be a big expense for the league but it's an utter waste and it has given us worse refs.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 05, 2022 9:18 pm

Burnley traditionally kick towards the Bee-hole second half. We always run to the Jimmy Mac as most visitors neither know or care for the tradition. Occasionally an ex -claret will get us to turn around, after winning the toss; but more often they choose kick off. So we don’t have to chose ends if we win the toss.

Why would any team who wins 'the toss' decide to kick off? The team that kicks off the game has always lost the toss.

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 05, 2022 10:09 pm

Why would any team who wins 'the toss' decide to kick off? The team that kicks off the game has always lost the toss.

That is their choice, but unless advised otherwise they will say ‘stay as we are’… playing to their own fans (these days), second half. That suits Burnley whose tradition goes back a long long time.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 05, 2022 10:31 pm

That is their choice, but unless advised otherwise they will say ‘stay as we are’… playing to their own fans (these days), second half. That suits Burnley whose tradition goes back a long long time.

That's what I said. 'Stay as we are' is choosing which way to play. Last time I heard 'we'll take the kick off' was on the school yard in junior school.

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 05, 2022 11:16 pm

That's what I said. 'Stay as we are' is choosing which way to play. Last time I heard 'we'll take the kick off' was on the school yard in junior school.

Not sure what point you are trying to make to be honest.

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:46 pm

Burnley fans complaining about timewasting is phenomenal. Worst team in the league for it.

Look at it another way, more positively from our perspective. We’re the best team in the PL at managing the clock when necessary. Pope’s ‘where’s the ball’ against Spurs being the best one so far this season.

15th October v Swansea

2nd half…

FIVE separate substitutions (minutes 62, 63, 75, 77 and 85)… equalling a minimum of 2 mins 30 seconds…

…all of this is before additional stoppages…

ONE minute of injury time given.

jdrobbo wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 15, 2022 10:29 pm

15th October v Swansea

2nd half…

FIVE separate substitutions (minutes 62, 63, 75, 77 and 85)… equalling a minimum of 2 mins 30 seconds…

…all of this is before additional stoppages…

ONE minute of injury time given.

This isn't for the referee to decide if one team 'has had enough', Swansea could get into the play offs by one goal, this affects the rest of the division.

Ignoring the substitutions, the goal and injuries were more than a minute.

I mustcadmit I was expecting at least 4 minutes, I was hoping for 5 -0, . Has an official explanation been given ,?

Is there something in the laws of the game giving a referee the right to cut short a game because one team is taking a pounding?

Dreadful decision and one which only benefited one team whilst giving paying spectators less match than they’ve paid for.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 15, 2022 10:41 pm

Is there something in the laws of the game giving a referee the right to cut short a game because one team is taking a pounding?

Absolutely not

I thought I heard 4 minutes, and I thought that sounded about right

1 minute was a joke. Could easily be 1 goal in it at the end of the season in this league. Disgraceful stuff

I wish to buggery they'd ended all our games after 1 minute of injury time.

We'd be out of sight.

Crikey. We absolute batter a team who have won 7 out of 9 and we can still find summat to kick off about. We were not going to score again, we were just playing with them. They hardly made it into our half in the last 20 mins. Relax.

I'm not sure he even played a minute.

Who cares. When you're winning, the sooner the game finishes the better

Given how they (SWA) were acting in the last 20 anything could have happened

Entirely missing the point of, and purpose for, added on time.

Had it been 1-0 or 0-0 should the time added on have been different because it could have made a material difference to the final result?

Play that out to the end of the season and potentially we could miss automatic promotion by one goal or another team misses out on the play offs to Swansea, by one goal.

Every game should be played to the end and the way time is added on should be consistent. Today was a nonsense.

It’s not kicking off or moaning, it’s a fair point.

Get the point, but the game was done. Just be sensible, for me it's not a day to get pedantic. Stop the fight and blow the whistle.

I was fuming about that minute added on! Surely it’s not on for the ref just to forget everything that’s happened - injuries, red card, subs - just because he feels a bit sorry for the other team.

I can roll with it when we've won 4-0 but as others have pointed out it's is not fair and it's against the rules.

The rules for referees are clear. They should no more make up the rule for calculating additional time than they should, for example, start awarding free penalties if a team is 4-0 down and getting thrashed.

What was the injury time against West Brom?

8 minutes or so and there were zero goals and a similar amount of subs made in that game.

The consistency & standard of reffing in England is awful

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 16, 2022 12:13 am

I was fuming about that minute added on! Surely it’s not on for the ref just to forget everything that’s happened - injuries, red card, subs - just because he feels a bit sorry for the other team.

It weirdly proper ****** me off, should have been 5-6. Consistently **** poor

8 substitutions
1 Goal
1 Red card
+ Injuries

We should have had a minimum of 5 minutes.

I posted the same topic after the Wigan game. Its so frustrating the lack of consistency or clarity. Today and at Wigan it didn't matter, but it is frustrating and like pretty much everyone else, I do think how do the 4th officials get injury time so wrong week in week out.

I think in cases like this the managers may be consulted. I could be wrong.

Is it solely the referee's decision as to how much stoppage time is added? I suspect it's not.

BigJay wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 16, 2022 12:58 am

I posted the same topic after the Wigan game. Its so frustrating the lack of consistency or clarity. Today and at Wigan it didn't matter, but it is frustrating and like pretty much everyone else, I do think how do the 4th officials get injury time so wrong week in week out.

The 4th official doesn’t decide on the amount of time added. He is told by the referee

This is one of the reasons you can never get consistency from officials. The job of the officials is to make decisions based on the laws of the game and they should do just that for the entire length of the game. How you can add 1 minute in a game with a sending off, bookings/speaking to players and several substitutions is just an incorrect application of the laws of the game. Really basic stuff that brings the games integrity into play tbh.

As others have said goal difference affects the whole league and if we miss out on promotion on goal difference we have not been allocated the correct amount of playing time in our games. This is before you get into the number of betting options on games these days that are dependent on actual results. This basic lack of judgement confirms officials get the very easiest decisions wrong and many of them are not for for purpose.

Could this be investigated by the EFL? Imagine if there were a number a rather large bets going on at the final result being 4-0???

Swansea were time wasting and after the sending off Burnley were avoiding injury and conserving energy for Wednesday. The probability of another goal was almost non existent.

I would not be surprised if the fourth official asked both managers if they fancied knocking off earlier.