Would love to see how we prepare for these down gawthorpe

Same as free kicks. 9 corners and didn't trouble their defence once! 1 shot on target all game. Woeful against a team who had lost 8 out if 11

Absolutely tragic, high floated ball onto Raya every time and hope he spills one, we did the same with Meslier and Leeds last few times we played them (scored 0).

The corners and free kicks were absolutely shocking, no variety whatsoever, rinse and repeat...

Apart from the superb cross that Dwight headed wide they were the usual standard, sh1te.
Catching practise for Raya. All coming down with snow on them and on the 6yd line, pathetic for schoolboy level.

The throw in isn't even long. I was expecting a Rory Delap type thunderbolt when we signed him and it was part of his attributes..

Clearly the corners and free kicks aren’t planned or well drilled and there are no fresh ideas. There’s talk of small details and fine margins but this is a massive detail that needs fixing

We had a bucketful of corners yesterday. There was a time either Westwood or McNeil could cause mayhem with proper inswingers into the oppositions goalmouth. All came to nothing.

In game plans is the old pass around the back a couple if times then hoof and puck up the scraps tactic.

Set plays we use the high floated ( usually diagonal ) deep ball hoping for a knock down and feed off the straps.
Obviously need to win 2 or 3 1st contacts for it to be threatening, so sometimes we just over hit them so we can regroup back to the framework

Our set plays are generally very poor, but for those asking why we aren't great at crossing or passing in play, if you can't get a unchallenged free hit from a standing ball right, you'll struggle to get one right when on the run snd/or under pressure.

I'm not sure what goes on Tuesday-Friday down at gawthorpe but it doesn't seem to be developing any new styles or tactics, and it's still as dull as dishwater as it's ever been, however like people keep saying it's kept us here for 6 years so something was working somewhere

The styles never going to change, the manager simply cannot adapt.
There was a era for the Allerdyce, Pullis type if football, however its now moved on. If you don't adapt and move with the times, you fall behind in life, thar applies to football as well

I'm convinced we do no attacking coaching.

We did try one short corner yesterday

Right hand side, McNeil short to Westwood and his attempted cross blocked

Fine margins !

Our set pieces were absolutely dreadful yesterday. For someone so big on ‘fine margins’ you’d think a bit more thought would go into our corners and free kicks.

buzzclarets79 wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:20 am

I'm convinced we do no attacking coaching.

Define attacking

I agree by the way, all we ever hear about is shape, framework etc.

Never hear about a well drilled set play, or attacking intent on how we tried to hurt them.

95% of the time ( I'd say 100% but they'll be a time it looked a bit diffrent, and then there was that Everton at home experiment )
We set up the same way, with the same tactics and style regardless of opposition.

Every team has a weakness , many eill adapt to nullify us, however we just keep on going the same thing.

We are quite happy to keep lumping it up to our 2 forwards even when a side has three 6 2"+ defenders who are happy to head the ball all day long, we will do that for 90 minutes.
The change being 1 forward off and another one on to aim at

We have failed to trouble / score against..

Newcastle away, no clean sheet or win in 14 , Burnley had 1 shot was it?
Norwich at home, no win or clean sheet in 28 games, 0-0 easy peasy for them
Watford no clean sheet in 38 games was it? Spanning 5 managers... rock up to the Turf, 40 year old GK Ben Foster had his deck chair out
Brentford, 1 win in 12 on a rotten run, biggest game of our season, had 1 shot on target all game after a error at the back from Brentford

Leeds away, torn apart even after getting back in it after a wonder set peice goal.

You see the pattern here?...

The 'long throw' has too much air to get the distance, coupled with zero aim or knowledge where the next one could land.

Under Dyche we have offered very very little over the past 18+ month's, set pieces are embarrassing and schoolboy level, attacking likewise, under Dyche any player's with attack and flair like Cornet, McNeil and it will happen to Weghorst will have it coached out of them, it's all defend defend defend hope to snatch a goal and hold on for the win, we sit back on team's like we did at Brentford and pray we pinch 3 points but the minute we go a goal down it's game over no coming back, no change of shape or tactics.

They will be the "four more years four more years" brigade that wil come on and talk crap about Dyche being the best man to get us straight back up but that's okay but the minute we come back it will be the same rigid boring non attacking hoof 442 football again that doesn'twork anymore, for us to go down from the weakest premier leagues in years says it all, Leeds have shipped in record goals yet will stay up, yes Dy he has been fantastic for us but like his tactics they are outdated and stuck in the past and living off history, a rebuild in the summer is much needed from the team to manager and tactics. Massive summer for Mr Pace and he needs to start with replacing Dyche, thanks for the fantastic memories Sean but your time is up, to those that will come on hear and ask me to name his replacement I'll tell you that's the chairman's job not mine.

ClaretMov wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:53 am

Under Dyche we have offered very very little over the past 18+ month's, set pieces are embarrassing and schoolboy level, attacking likewise, under Dyche any player's with attack and flair like Cornet, McNeil and it will happen to Weghorst will have it coached out of them, it's all defend defend defend hope to snatch a goal and hold on for the win, we sit back on team's like we did at Brentford and pray we pinch 3 points but the minute we go a goal down it's game over no coming back, no change of shape or tactics.

They will be the "four more years four more years" brigade that wil come on and talk crap about Dyche being the best man to get us straight back up but that's okay but the minute we come back it will be the same rigid boring non attacking hoof 442 football again that doesn'twork anymore, for us to go down from the weakest premier leagues in years says it all, Leeds have shipped in record goals yet will stay up, yes Dy he has been fantastic for us but like his tactics they are outdated and stuck in the past and living off history, a rebuild in the summer is much needed from the team to manager and tactics. Massive summer for Mr Pace and he needs to start with replacing Dyche, thanks for the fantastic memories Sean but your time is up, to those that will come on hear and ask me to name his replacement I'll tell you that's the chairman's job not mine.

You are absolutely correct Claret Mov-I often wonder what the coaches do all week (other than Billy Mercer). We were brilliant at corners up to last season, and it proved a source of goals. Our short corners are a disaster as is our shooting from a direct free kick. I think Dyche/Woan/Stone has become a sleepy trio, accountable to no one. You would have thought that the two coaches would speak their mind on issues like selection , substitutions and tactics. Otherwise why has Westwood played in the last three games, and why did Westwood not get subbed. For these three their worth is cascading by the game. I dont see them with us past November, if that long. I also see it as a major failing by SD not to have pushed for more players in the transfer market, though when he goes the media can now say he was not supported

My god, the long throw is dreadful. On the (increasingly rare) occasions we actually get into the attacking third, we decide to float in one of the easiest to defend long throws in the football league. Defence easily clears, all done. Just serves to make out football look even more one dimensional and industrial.

MACCA wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:38 am

Define attacking

I agree by the way, all we ever hear about is shape, framework etc.

Never hear about a well drilled set play, or attacking intent on how we tried to hurt them.

95% of the time ( I'd say 100% but they'll be a time it looked a bit diffrent, and then there was that Everton at home experiment )
We set up the same way, with the same tactics and style regardless of opposition.

Every team has a weakness , many eill adapt to nullify us, however we just keep on going the same thing.

We are quite happy to keep lumping it up to our 2 forwards even when a side has three 6 2"+ defenders who are happy to head the ball all day long, we will do that for 90 minutes.
The change being 1 forward off and another one on to aim at

We have failed to trouble / score against..

Newcastle away, no clean sheet or win in 14 , Burnley had 1 shot was it?
Norwich at home, no win or clean sheet in 28 games, 0-0 easy peasy for them
Watford no clean sheet in 38 games was it? Spanning 5 managers... rock up to the Turf, 40 year old GK Ben Foster had his deck chair out
Brentford, 1 win in 12 on a rotten run, biggest game of our season, had 1 shot on target all game after a error at the back from Brentford

Leeds away, torn apart even after getting back in it after a wonder set peice goal.

You see the pattern here?...

Hard to disagree with any of that really

I posted a thread on here after Roberts second game saying his throw was useless, seen nothing to change my mind on that.

Sorry to say though that I’m increasingly coming to the opinion that Roberts is a long way off the standard required in this league. Lowton a far superior player defensively and at the very least is just as good going forward. A right back who cannot cut a cross out is pointless.

jedi_master wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:13 am

I posted a thread on here after Roberts second game saying his throw was useless, seen nothing to change my mind on that.

Sorry to say though that I’m increasingly coming to the opinion that Roberts is a long way off the standard required in this league. Lowton a far superior player defensively and at the very least is just as good going forward. A right back who cannot cut a cross out is pointless.

So blaming Roberts for Eriksens cross? Watch the goal back and check what Westwood did, he literally ran away. Or Lennon who ducked under the ball.

MACCA wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:38 am

Define attacking

I agree by the way, all we ever hear about is shape, framework etc.

Never hear about a well drilled set play, or attacking intent on how we tried to hurt them.

95% of the time ( I'd say 100% but they'll be a time it looked a bit diffrent, and then there was that Everton at home experiment )
We set up the same way, with the same tactics and style regardless of opposition.

Every team has a weakness , many eill adapt to nullify us, however we just keep on going the same thing.

We are quite happy to keep lumping it up to our 2 forwards even when a side has three 6 2"+ defenders who are happy to head the ball all day long, we will do that for 90 minutes.
The change being 1 forward off and another one on to aim at

We have failed to trouble / score against..

Newcastle away, no clean sheet or win in 14 , Burnley had 1 shot was it?
Norwich at home, no win or clean sheet in 28 games, 0-0 easy peasy for them
Watford no clean sheet in 38 games was it? Spanning 5 managers... rock up to the Turf, 40 year old GK Ben Foster had his deck chair out
Brentford, 1 win in 12 on a rotten run, biggest game of our season, had 1 shot on target all game after a error at the back from Brentford

Leeds away, torn apart even after getting back in it after a wonder set peice goal.

You see the pattern here?...

Spot on I'm afraid Macca, and that dire stat against our fellow strugglers is one of the reasons we're heading down, if we can't even beat the dregs what hope have we got.

And the 1 win in that bunch was against a Brentford side shorn of their 1st choice keeper and several others on the day, and even then we nearly allowed them back into the game, despite boosting a 3-0 HT lead.

And for those who seemingly think it'll simply be a case of dropping down, and then tweaking a few things then bouncing straight back, let's have a reality check, we've struggled against all 3 newly promoted teams this season, and there's some clubs in the Championship who are most definitely on an upward curve, Forest & Huddersfield are just 2 that spring to mind, and they can't all get promoted, so as well as Norwich & Watford who'll both be strong at that level, there's plenty of competition for the play-off's, and if we persist with this squad we'll struggle to even claim a top 6 slot next season, and this is what worries me if SD stays, he'll no doubt reward his ageing favourites with new contracts again, when what we need to do is clear out the dross, and recruit some energy and youth.

Time for a change at the top, SD has been great for Burnley, but it's becoming increasingly obvious that he's lost his knack of getting the players up for key games, and I don't see this changing even in the Championship, something is missing whether it's tactics or attitude I don't know, but a change is needed, as Sean is in severe danger of overstaying his welcome, and after all he's achieved during his tenure it would be a sad end if he didn't decide his times up, unfortunately he's sitting on a long contract now, so if Pace wants to replace him it will cost us, but on balance I think it's time to take the plunge, if not now then certainly over the summer, who comes in like yourself I have no idea, but the word stale has cropped up in many threads recently, and I have to agree we've become tedious to watch now.

So many thanks Sean but time for you to go and some fresh ideas to be given a go.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:37 am

Spot on I'm afraid Macca, and that dire stat against our fellow strugglers is one of the reasons we're heading down, if we can't even beat the dregs what hope have we got.

And the 1 win in that bunch was against a Brentford side shorn of their 1st choice keeper and several others on the day, and even then we nearly allowed them back into the game, despite boosting a 3-0 HT lead.

And for those who seemingly think it'll simply be a case of dropping down, and then tweaking a few things then bouncing straight back, let's have a reality check, we've struggled against all 3 newly promoted teams this season, and there's some clubs in the Championship who are most definitely on an upward curve, Forest & Huddersfield are just 2 that spring to mind, and they can't all get promoted, so as well as Norwich & Watford who'll both be strong at that level, there's plenty of competition for the play-off's, and if we persist with this squad we'll struggle to even claim a top 6 slot next season, and this is what worries me if SD stays, he'll no doubt reward his ageing favourites with new contracts again, when what we need to do is clear out the dross, and recruit some energy and youth.

Time for a change at the top, SD has been great for Burnley, but it's becoming increasingly obvious that he's lost his knack of getting the players up for key games, and I don't see this changing even in the Championship, something is missing whether it's tactics or attitude I don't know, but a change is needed, as Sean is in severe danger of overstaying his welcome, and after all he's achieved during his tenure it would be a sad end if he didn't decide his times up, unfortunately he's sitting on a long contract now, so if Pace wants to replace him it will cost us, but on balance I think it's time to take the plunge, if not now then certainly over the summer, who comes in like yourself I have no idea, but the word stale has cropped up in many threads recently, and I have to agree we've become tedious to watch now.

So many thanks Sean but time for you to go and some fresh ideas to be given a go.

You are without doubt the most fickle poster on here - you go from one extreme to the other in a flash. At least other posters are consistent in their view. It's pathetic. You say we have become tedious to watch but how often do you really watch us.

Andreshotboots wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:31 am

The throw in isn't even long. I was expecting a Rory Delap type thunderbolt when we signed him and it was part of his attributes..

You are correct, the throw isn’t long. However, as other posters have alluded to we could still make use of his throws by strategically placing Weghorst/Jay in the area where we know he is going to reach hoping for a good flick on for us to profit from the second ball.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:37 am

and this is what worries me if SD stays, he'll no doubt reward his ageing favourites with new contracts again, when what we need to do is clear out the dross, and recruit some energy and youth.

Exactly this!

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:19 am

So blaming Roberts for Eriksens cross? Watch the goal back and check what Westwood did, he literally ran away. Or Lennon who ducked under the ball.

I never mentioned Eriksen’s cross?

My observation is that he cannot defend a cross, and that’s across most games he’s played so far. I think he’s incredibly lacking defensively. Too easy for a winger to get a ball in as he’s stood too far off to block most of the time.

jedi_master wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:31 am

I never mentioned Eriksen’s cross?

My observation is that he cannot defend a cross, and that’s across most games he’s played so far. I think he’s incredibly lacking defensively. Too easy for a winger to get a ball in as he’s stood too far off to block most of the time.

Always looks a bit frantic in what he does, to me.

I’m a hell of a long way from being convinced that he’s a decent long term option. He will presumably be half decent at the level below, but at this level, I’ve not seen anything like enough to suggest he’s even up to Lowton’s levels.

DCWat wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:01 pm

Always looks a bit frantic in what he does, to me.

I’m a hell of a long way from being convinced that he’s a decent long term option. He will presumably be half decent at the level below, but at this level, I’ve not seen anything like enough to suggest he’s even up to Lowton’s levels.

Totally agree with this. Was trying to think how I’d describe his play and I think frantic is spot on. Lowton the better player for me and should be starting.

MACCA wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:38 am

Define attacking

I agree by the way, all we ever hear about is shape, framework etc.

Never hear about a well drilled set play, or attacking intent on how we tried to hurt them.

95% of the time ( I'd say 100% but they'll be a time it looked a bit diffrent, and then there was that Everton at home experiment )
We set up the same way, with the same tactics and style regardless of opposition.

Every team has a weakness , many eill adapt to nullify us, however we just keep on going the same thing.

We are quite happy to keep lumping it up to our 2 forwards even when a side has three 6 2"+ defenders who are happy to head the ball all day long, we will do that for 90 minutes.
The change being 1 forward off and another one on to aim at

We have failed to trouble / score against..

Newcastle away, no clean sheet or win in 14 , Burnley had 1 shot was it?
Norwich at home, no win or clean sheet in 28 games, 0-0 easy peasy for them
Watford no clean sheet in 38 games was it? Spanning 5 managers... rock up to the Turf, 40 year old GK Ben Foster had his deck chair out
Brentford, 1 win in 12 on a rotten run, biggest game of our season, had 1 shot on target all game after a error at the back from Brentford

Leeds away, torn apart even after getting back in it after a wonder set peice goal.

You see the pattern here?...

Was thinking exactly the same about this mini league this morning, kinda tells you something

Still 3 to play from this mini league, has to be 9 points to have any chance at all.

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:45 am

Clearly the corners and free kicks aren’t planned or well drilled and there are no fresh ideas. There’s talk of small details and fine margins but this is a massive detail that needs fixing

What i can't understand and never have is why we have 2 men stood over the ball for freekicks, its not fooling anyone because who ever takes it just aims to put the ball into the box. We were doing well from corners at one point but now sides seem to know what's coming and just block off the runners, there isn't any variation in any of our freekicks, corners or even throw ins really.

Corners is definitely one area where we miss Chris Wood. Tarks, Mee and Wood worked really well together as a trio attacking corners hit between the penalty spot and the back post and so losing one of them for that type of corner was always going the reduce our success in that area

I also think Barnes and the way he got in amongst the goalkeeper also was a big part of why along with the other three for a couple of seasons we looked a constant goal threat from corners and no we look a bit clueless

The less said about the long throw the better