Anyone looking into this, the government are launching this later today, fantastic idea for those that need help

Government funding of £350 per month, £10 per day is hardly generous.

There is also one major hurdle - anyone hoping to sponsor a refugee will have to specifically name the Ukrainian, or Ukrainians, they are hoping to take in.

Bottom line from the telegraph article.

How the hell would someone from Burnley get in touch with a refugee and ask them if the wanted to come over?

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:28 am

There is also one major hurdle - anyone hoping to sponsor a refugee will have to specifically name the Ukrainian, or Ukrainians, they are hoping to take in.

Bottom line from the telegraph article.

How the hell would someone from Burnley get in touch with a refugee and ask them if the wanted to come over?

That's old news, previously any Ukrainians fleeing needed to have links here but now under the new scheme sponsors in the UK starting today you will not be required to know the refugees in advance and there will be no limit on numbers

ClaretMov wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:26 pm

That's old news, previously any Ukrainians fleeing needed to have links here but now under the sponsorship Under the new scheme sponsors in the UK will not be required to know the refugees in advance and there will be no limit on numbers

Can you post the link to the latest news please.

CleggHall wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:12 am

Government funding of £350 per month, £10 per day is hardly generous.

And it isn’t per person either so if you are linked up with a family that is for them all….and for a minimum of 6 months commitment…..

CleggHall wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:12 am

Government funding of £350 per month, £10 per day is hardly generous.

Pretty sure it's not designed for those wanting to make an income from these people, more that for those kind souls in a position to help who have spare rooms they are compensated for expenses.

Jellybean wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:30 pm

Pretty sure it's not designed for those wanting to make an income from these people, more that for those kind souls in a position to help who have spare rooms they are compensated for expenses.

Spot on, the money has nothing to do with it, in my opinion, I'd do it for nothing.

Jellybean wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:30 pm

Pretty sure it's not designed for those wanting to make an income from these people, more that for those kind souls in a position to help who have spare rooms they are compensated for expenses.

So if you were matched with a family of 4 people, do you think that £10 per day is sufficient for additional heating, food etc??

ClaretDiver wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:33 pm

So if you were matched with a family of 4 people, do you think that £10 per day is sufficient for additional heating, food etc??

WOW.....Words just fail me

Jellybean wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:30 pm

Pretty sure it's not designed for those wanting to make an income from these people, more that for those kind souls in a position to help who have spare rooms they are compensated for expenses.

It's not making an income though is it?

If a mother and child come to stay your heating bill would go up 350 a month never mind any other costs.

Are you expected to feed and cloth them or will they receive the 72 pound a week dole?

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:36 pm

It's not making an income though is it?

If a mother and child come to stay your heating bill would go up 350 a month never mind any other costs.

Are you expected to feed and cloth them or will they receive the 72 pound a week dole?

Explain why the heating bill goes up

Dole, these people will work there not British

ClaretMov wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:38 pm

Explain why the heating bill goes up

Dole, these people will work there not British

Twice as many rooms to heat, twice as many baths/showers. Washing machine/dryer etc..

With all fighting age men being ordered to stay and fight I'm not sure it's a straight forward answer.

It's important to find out the costs etc.. it's not a detriment to the refugees, but most working class people who are living on the edge wouldn't be able to help out.

More info might be available but nobody has put any up on here.

"Twice as many rooms to heat" do you all of a sudden have twice as many more rooms in your house

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:49 pm

Twice as many rooms to heat, twice as many baths/showers. Washing machine/dryer etc..

With all fighting age men being ordered to stay and fight I'm not sure it's a straight forward answer.

It's important to find out the costs etc.. it's not a detriment to the refugees, but most working class people who are living on the edge wouldn't be able to help out.

More info might be available but nobody has put any up on here.

I for one am wondering why Quick has an entire wing of his house currently not in use

ClaretMov wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:35 pm

WOW.....Words just fail me

Why? What's wrong with what was said?

Jellybean wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:30 pm

Pretty sure it's not designed for those wanting to make an income from these people, more that for those kind souls in a position to help who have spare rooms they are compensated for expenses.

This. Some people will moan at anything. Nothing wrong with this scheme. These people are genuinely in need unlike some that come to this country.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... e-uk-homes

Those that come here will be entitled to the full range of available services from our benefits system, along with being entitled to find work etc.

£350 may not sound like a lot, but it's really just about helping these people find somewhere safe to stay, a stepping stone so to speak.
They'll mainly be scared women and children, who will want some sort of normality/safety compared to what they've got now.

Yes the gov have been predictably rubbish in not having the website already prepared before telling everyone about the scheme, but they're at least trying to do something more than they were.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:03 pm

I for one am wondering why Quick has an entire wing of his house currently not in use

I live on my own in a big 4 story house.

ClaretMov wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:02 pm

"Twice as many rooms to heat" do you all of a sudden have twice as many more rooms in your house

Twice as many rooms would be in use yes.

I don't use a lot of heating but a child would need to.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:23 pm

I live on my own in a big 4 story house.

I was only messing, don't take it seriously!

ClaretDiver wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:29 pm

And it isn’t per person either so if you are linked up with a family that is for them all….and for a minimum of 6 months commitment…..

What an incredibly crass post . Taking someone in is very much an altruistic move and the £350 is simply to cover your expenses . If the govt had say made this £1000 pm the corruption would have been mind blowing, with HMO schemes being abused in the extreme .

Maybe the Queen could help too by opening up her vast palaces and country estates with hundreds of empty rooms..

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:50 pm

What an incredibly crass post . Taking someone in is very much an altruistic move and the £350 is simply to cover your expenses . If the govt had say made this £1000 pm the corruption would have been mind blowing, with HMO schemes being abused in the extreme .

Think whatever you want of my post but I, personally, could not afford to do this, as many many others in this country will not be able to with the daily rises in living costs. £350 will not cover expenses in many of the situations. Whilst I would like to help I just do not have the money to spend. Also, what happens if you do not get along with the people you are paired with, once in they are in for a minimum of 6 months…..sorry but I am not willing to take that risk with a 21yo girl still living at home.

Andreshotboots wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 2:02 pm

Maybe the Queen could help too by opening up her vast palaces and country estates with hundreds of empty rooms..

A better idea would be the numerous empty homes that belong to the oligarchs...might as well put them to good use

Where is saint bob geldof when you need him?

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:06 pm

I’d be happy to pledge something towards funding for food or whatever was needed but I’d stop short at letting a complete stranger into my home. I think too many people are using the war as an excuse to just move to a more desirable country.

There are plenty of ways you can donate Jakub.

I'd send Jakub to Mariupol for a couple of days to learn something about how people are using the war as an excuse to move to a more desirable country

MODERATOR - F.A.O. Aggi - Please note your post was removed, not for your comment but because it replies to a post that is both ill informed, potentially offensive and likely very hurtful to other posters.

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These two young people, Avi Schiffmann and Marco Burstein, students at Harvard, in just three days have developed and launched the website https://www.ukrainetakeshelter.com/, a website in 12 languages where Ukrainian refugees fleeing war can immediately find hosts with free rooms, apartments unused in resorts, big or small cities or school dorms.
Pass this information to other Ukrainians, who are now in European countries and not only, but also to those who would like to be a host to these people in need.



https://www.ukrainetakeshelter.com/?fbc ... 8iCgHdGHKc

I blame NATO and the USA for this

ClaretDiver wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 2:06 pm

Think whatever you want of my post but I, personally, could not afford to do this, as many many others in this country will not be able to with the daily rises in living costs. £350 will not cover expenses in many of the situations. Whilst I would like to help I just do not have the money to spend. Also, what happens if you do not get along with the people you are paired with, once in they are in for a minimum of 6 months…..sorry but I am not willing to take that risk with a 21yo girl still living at home.

Just because the scheme doesn’t fit your circumstances, there will hopefully be plenty who are in a position to help these people in dire need. That doesn’t make it a bad scheme just because it doesn’t work for you.

It’s also a rather sweeping assumption that you’ll be putting your 21 year old daughter (?) at risk by allowing a needy person or family to stay with you for six months, or however long it may be.

My understanding is that the overwhelming majority of people in need of help are women, children and the elderly. Others outside of this are staying in Ukraine to serve their country!

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:17 pm

I'd send Jakub to Mariupol for a couple of days to learn something about how people are using the war as an excuse to move to a more desirable country

Behave they've got enough to cope with from the Russian bombing without dropping Jakub on them

It is indeed very heartening to see how many people are apparently willing to support people in war refugee status in need from Ukraine. The help to do this from out government is a bit late and seems as if they have done it whilst kicking and screaming. Maybe they were wondering what the difference is between refugees from Ukraine compared to those from Syria, Iran, Irag, Somalia, etc.etc . Come to think of it so am I.

It is indeed very heartening to see how many people are apparently willing to support people in war refugee status in need from Ukraine. The help to do this from out government is a bit late and seems as if they have done it whilst kicking and screaming. Maybe they were wondering what the difference is between refugees from Ukraine compared to those from Syria, Iran, Irag, Somalia, etc.etc . Come to think of it so am I.

Just signed up, finger's crossed we are picked to help out a family, we live in a large four floored five bed house and all but one of our children have moved out meaning we have two spare bedrooms and a bathroom on a entire floor going spare, we were considering down scaling but will put this off for a while, if you can do this do it you never know you may need someone's help one day

I can see how for many people the scheme is not a possibility for them- because of house size, costs etc but criticising the scheme out-of-hand is a bit crass.

Anyway, I see that 1500 folks volunteered in the first hour of the website's launch; hopefully many tens of thousands more will following.

These people are genuine refugees fleeing from war; quite a big difference from economic migrants fleeing France.

Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:29 pm

Maybe they were wondering what the difference is between refugees from Ukraine compared to those from Syria, Iran, Irag, Somalia, etc.etc . Come to think of it so am I.

I can give you two very big differences off the top of my head.

Ukraine is on the same continent as the UK.

Ukraine is, like the UK, an historically Christian country. Albeit different denominations.

Maybe the are not relevant factors to consider when deciding to give offer sanctuary/asylum? Maybe these are very relevant factors to consider? But there certainly are clear and large differences and between Ukraine and the countries you listed.

ClaretMov wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:39 pm

Just signed up, finger's crossed we are picked to help out a family, we live in a large four floored five bed house and all but one of our children have moved out meaning we have two spare bedrooms and a bathroom on a entire floor going spare, we were considering down scaling but will put this off for a while, if you can do this do it you never know you may need someone's help one day

That's a very kind and noble thing to have offered. Well done and I hope it works out well for you and whoever comes to live with you. I'm sure they will be grateful.

Rowls wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:14 pm

That's a very kind and noble thing to have offered. Well done and I hope it works out well for you and whoever comes to live with you. I'm sure they will be grateful.

Anything left over from the 350 a month we'll give to the family, I might even start a Ukrainian clarets supporters club

Rowls wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:13 pm

I can give you two very big differences off the top of my head.

Ukraine is on the same continent as the UK.

Ukraine is, like the UK, an historically Christian country. Albeit different denominations.

Maybe the are not relevant factors to consider when deciding to give offer sanctuary/asylum? Maybe these are very relevant factors to consider? But there certainly are clear and large differences and between Ukraine and the countries you listed.

I don’t think the UN charter or Geneva convention discriminates against non Europeans or non Christians but I do take your point. Also ironic if true since one of main cornerstones of Brexit was to restrict Europeans and I think the government has tied itself in knots because of this. Not really trying to over politicise to save the tread being pulled. Really do hope everyone can sort this for those in peril.

ClaretMov wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:03 pm

Anything left over from the 350 a month we'll give to the family, I might even start a Ukrainian clarets supporters club

Don’t you think these poor people have been through enough?

Terrier wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:48 pm

Where is saint bob geldof when you need him?

Probably actually doing something rather than bitching from the sidelines......

According to Daily Telegraph: 43,000 volunteers in the first 5 hours. Very promising and humanitarian response.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:28 am

How the hell would someone from Burnley get in touch with a refugee and ask them if the wanted to come over?

Tinder?

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:25 pm

Twice as many rooms would be in use yes.

I don't use a lot of heating but a child would need to.

Obviously the scheme isn't aimed at you. Even if you have a mostly empty big 4 storey house. It's aimed at people who have space they might "want" to use to help people in their hr of need.

In fact maybe you should try it, I'd encourage you to sign up to it. I can imagine it would be very rewarding and you would have made life long friends with someone or some family. I would jump at the chance if circumstances were slightly different for my family.

I’m sure the Ukrainians will be eternally grateful to the country and the people helping them out. I’ve been really impressed with the resourcefulness of the women who have stayed behind to help and feed the front line fighters, the medical staff there and the men who are fighting are true patriots with balls of steel. They’ve become most peoples favourite other nation. The opposite of their invaders.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:06 pm

I think too many people are using the war as an excuse to just move to a more desirable country.

Jesus wept! Their country is being reduced to rubble and people are being annihilated. Any country is more desirable in comparison right now. The fact that the vast majority of the refugees are in Poland, Moldova, Hungary etc hardly shows them to be trying to milk the system for the best deal.

walter the softy wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:59 pm

Jesus wept! Their country is being reduced to rubble and people are being annihilated. Any country is more desirable in comparison right now. The fact that the vast majority of the refugees are in Poland, Moldova, Hungary etc hardly shows them to be trying to milk the system for the best deal.

Don't worry, when they arrive in the UK, Jakub will be on hand to offer his counselling advice.

CNN just said 100,000 Brits have registered, and added 'In a show of generosity not shared by their government'.

The Government have been put under huge pressure from the public to do more for the refugees.

They have responded by saying they will let them in but the public will have to do all the work.

Their will be a more detailed form to fill in on Friday with Visa details of the people you wish to house. That's right you have to sort that out yourself.