At what point do you as a fan break and say that’s enough Dyche has to go?

If we do down and underperform in the Chamionship for a sustained period.

If he tries renewing all the over 30 club contracts this summer and starts with Barnes up front next season

If we get relegated, the decision, either way needs to be taken then, not 10 games into the new season

We fight like our lives depend on it and if we do go down all guns blazing a decision can then made

Willieonthewing wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:49 pm

If we get relegated, the decision, either way needs to be taken then, not 10 games into the new season

So if we get relegated you would not reconsider even if we lost the first 10 games? That's loyalty.

I think decisions on whether to sack a manager are taken on a daily basis, not once and for always. Dyche has the best record of promotion to the PL of any manager I know, and without having money to spend at that - so why would you get shut before the Championship season starts?

dsr wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:06 pm

So if we get relegated you would not reconsider even if we lost the first 10 games? That's loyalty.

I think decisions on whether to sack a manager are taken on a daily basis, not once and for always. Dyche has the best record of promotion to the PL of any manager I know, and without having money to spend at that - so why would you get shut before the Championship season starts?

If we lost the first ten games, something would have gone drastically wrong in the summer, and in reality it won't be that bad, I was thinking more like just being out of the top 4 and sacking because we're not top.

I think the manager has done enough in previous seasons to warrant a stab at getting us back up. He has credit in the bank for that, imo.

As to how long, we'll just have to see how the results go.

Firstly we HAVE to go down fighting, we need to be going for wins and Mr Dyche needs to show he isn't afraid to shake it up with under performing players.

Secondly as an above poster said, let all the OOC players 31 or older leave, arguments for Mee and then Vydra to get a couple of years, bit it has to be at the right wages.
I'd keep the latter purely as he knows the division, and u think he would work very well with Weghorst.

Third and final he would need to sign some exciting, younger, faster players and look to play on the front foot.

Obviously a good start is paramount , we would need to be top 6 after 12 games with id say 7 wins in the bag.

Firstly we HAVE to go down fighting, we need to be going for wins and Mr Dyche needs to show he isn't afraid to shake it up with under performing players.

Secondly as an above poster said, let all the OOC players 31 or older leave, arguments for Mee and then Vydra to get a couple of years, bit it has to be at the right wages.
I'd keep the latter purely as he knows the division, and u think he would work very well with Weghorst.

Third and final he would need to sign some exciting, younger, faster players and look to play on the front foot.

Obviously a good start is paramount , we would need to be top 6 after 12 games with id say 7 wins in the bag.

MACCA wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:37 pm

Firstly we HAVE to go down fighting, we need to be going for wins and Mr Dyche needs to show he isn't afraid to shake it up with under performing players.

Secondly as an above poster said, let all the OOC players 31 or older leave, arguments for Mee and then Vydra to get a couple of years, bit it has to be at the right wages.
I'd keep the latter purely as he knows the division, and u think he would work very well with Weghorst.

Third and final he would need to sign some exciting, younger, faster players and look to play on the front foot.

Obviously a good start is paramount , we would need to be top 6 after 12 games with id say 7 wins in the bag.

Therein lies the problem, Macca. When a points total is suggested after so many games like you just have, what happens if it's a point or two less? I know I'm sounding pedantic but some might ask to be in the top 6, say, at Christmas but again what if we are 10th and just 2 or 3 points off play-offs? When does league position become unacceptable? It's very similar to the well documented next game is 'a must win'. It then becomes very short term and not healthy for the players or supporters.

Being relegated it comes down to do you trust Dyche to rebuild the squad or not. He hasn’t shown in his time here he can rebuild a squad as that can has been kicked down the road season after season.

FWIW I do think the board will stick with Dyche and back room team mainly due to the ridiculous contract situation. Which is going to mean contract renewals for the older team members and picking up some journeymen. I don’t think we have the athleticism with this squad now to compete at the top end of the championship.

It’s interesting to see what happens if we were to languish mid table or below.

Willieonthewing wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:11 pm

If we lost the first ten games, something would have gone drastically wrong in the summer, and in reality it won't be that bad, I was thinking more like just being out of the top 4 and sacking because we're not top.

Good point. I was approaching from the other angle, so to speak.

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:40 pm

Being relegated it comes down to do you trust Dyche to rebuild the squad or not. He hasn’t shown in his time here he can rebuild a squad as that can has been kicked down the road season after season.

FWIW I do think the board will stick with Dyche and back room team mainly due to the ridiculous contract situation. Which is going to mean contract renewals for the older team members and picking up some journeymen. I don’t think we have the athleticism with this squad now to compete at the top end of the championship.

It’s interesting to see what happens if we were to languish mid table or below.

His very first summer here he had to make some very astute signings to rebuild said squad, unless I'm very much mistaken.

There's also the idea that he's done pretty well at gradual replacement that he hasn't needed to do a full rebuild until recently.

does he have a clause in his contract so we can actually afford to pay him in the Championship or does he have a clause in his contract that allows him to be potted with little compensation if we drop ?

Big questions that will dictate a lot

If he sticks with four four frikkin two

If we’re nowhere near the play offs come Christmas time, although I’m not convinced that Sean will actually start next season as our manager.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he walks away if we’re relegated. He’s on a hiding to nothing.

His reputation with prospective employers has never matched his fine achievements with us. You could see him walking in the summer, then biding his time and taking on a Premier League relegation scrap or big club project in the Championship.

If we go down and he struggles to bring us back up he could become the forgotten man.

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:40 pm

Being relegated it comes down to do you trust Dyche to rebuild the squad or not. He hasn’t shown in his time here he can rebuild a squad as that can has been kicked down the road season after season.

FWIW I do think the board will stick with Dyche and back room team mainly due to the ridiculous contract situation. Which is going to mean contract renewals for the older team members and picking up some journeymen. I don’t think we have the athleticism with this squad now to compete at the top end of the championship.

It’s interesting to see what happens if we were to languish mid table or below.

You've not been watching for the last 8 years then?

He's totally reworked our squad 2 or 3 times

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:38 pm

At what point do you as a fan break and say that’s enough Dyche has to go?

10 years will do

Personally I’d had enough at the Watford game and after the pathetic Leeds display. Whilst players aren’t good enough Dyche’s methods are tired. It needed a brave decision by the board pre window. They didn’t make nor did they make the signings needed. If we go down limping with the same inept displays fire him in Summer. If we go down showing some steel then give him 10 games in the Champ max.

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:38 pm

At what point do you as a fan break and say that’s enough Dyche has to go?

When the players do.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:45 pm

If he tries renewing all the over 30 club contracts this summer and starts with Barnes up front next season

THIS! we need to start building a younger hungrier squad, and this summer with an impending relegation, and so many OOC players, should present the ideal opportunity for us to do precisely that, and possibly promote a few of the development squad if we're stretched for numbers, otherwise you have to wonder exactly what the point of having a development squad is.

This is my biggest concern if Sean stays, he's far too loyal to players who've been tremendous for us, but who now aren't up to the task even in the Championship, and because we've continually kicked the can down the road we now face the prospect of having to completely overhaul the squad in a couple of windows, which isn't easy to do well remaining competitive.

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:38 pm

At what point do you as a fan break and say that’s enough Dyche has to go?

Should have got rid of him when we went down in 2015. It would have avoided us having to go through another promotion and another six seasons in the Premier League.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:26 pm

Should have got rid of him when we went down in 2015. It would have avoided us having to go through another promotion and another six seasons in the Premier League.

I remember there were people on here calling for just that in 2015!

I am really looking forward to Championship footie again.

Weghorst and Ings upfront! - Let's have it!


If we are playing dull negative football and/or miles of the play offs at Christmas then SD's credit would taking a hit.

About 4 months ago

Guller Bull wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:33 pm

I am really looking forward to Championship footie again.

Weghorst and Ings upfront! - Let's have it!


If we are playing dull negative football and/or miles of the play offs at Christmas then SD's credit would taking a hit.

Ings? What have I missed

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:35 pm

Ings? What have I missed

I just had a small piece of wishful thinking.

Guller Bull wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:37 pm

I just had a small piece of wishful thinking.

If only.

Although, I am going to be intrigued as to who even stays after this season, regardless of division.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:32 pm

I remember there were people on here calling for just that in 2015!

Different times CT. Different Chairman and we are in danger of getting left behind. For me it all depends who is making the decisions re signings/ contracts etc. if that’s Sean and we struggle in the Championship then that might be the time to part company. However if he is working with what The Chairman gives him then he should be given At least another season
Relegation with the current squad is almost inevitable. Sadly there are at least 17 teams better than us

If he plays Westwood ahead of a fit jack Cork in our next winnable game

FCBurnley wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:26 pm

Different times CT. Different Chairman and we are in danger of getting left behind. For me it all depends who is making the decisions re signings/ contracts etc. if that’s Sean and we struggle in the Championship then that might be the time to part company. However if he is working with what The Chairman gives him then he should be given At least another season
Relegation with the current squad is almost inevitable. Sadly there are at least 17 teams better than us

I agree. I'm not for a minute saying that Dyche is unsackable. However, given that we've been promoted twice from the championship under him, I still can't think of anyone better to manage us if, or rather when, we go down. I also agree that should we struggle in the division below, then the pressure will obviously mount.

My aside about him not being sacked in 2015 was how he proved people wrong. I hope he will again, but time will tell.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:32 pm

I remember there were people on here calling for just that in 2015!

Applauded off the pitch in our last home game of 2015, totally the opposite to our other relegations

Wokingclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:14 pm

Applauded off the pitch in our last home game of 2015, totally the opposite to our other relegations

I know, which is why I stated it was certain posters on here. Probably the ones who only ever attend when we're winning.

Wokingclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:14 pm

Applauded off the pitch in our last home game of 2015, totally the opposite to our other relegations

This. I think most posters/ fans were happy for him to stay as I remember. He did a good job with the team we had even though we went down. This time is different and his methods look very tired.

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:39 pm

This. I think most posters/ fans were happy for him to stay as I remember. He did a good job with the team we had even though we went down. This time is different and his methods look very tired.

At what point do you think these methods got tired Boss?

I suspect when he leaves many supporters who think he should go will be in for a massive shock that they'll come to regret.

It wouldn't surprise me if we don't get back into the Prem for many, many years.

How we finish the season off will be a factor on whether he should go or stay. If we go down “fighting” and push it to the last 1 or 2 matches I would keep him and reassess next season.

The danger is if we fail to pick up a win and if that happens the atmosphere will get toxic and he may not survive into next season.

Should we go down I’d give him until Christmas 2023. That gives him and Pace 3 transfer windows to revitalise a number of positions when signing players should be a lot easier.

Obviously Dyche doesn't want a relegation on his cv, to me it's almost like the players have lost faith in him and the tactics employed.
For me he has more then enough in the bank to have another crack at getting us up, he will be the best man for the job next season as let's face it we won't have much of a budget thanks to ALK saddling us with debt.
If he has options for younger fitter faster players but opts for the tried and trusted good lad in the changing room signings then for me that is the breaking point.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:44 pm

I suspect when he leaves many supporters who think he should go will be in for a massive shock that they'll come to regret.

It wouldn't surprise me if we don't get back into the Prem for many, many years.

It’s impossible to know this. I’m sure many thought that when we were last relegated under Coyle / Laws. What you are saying is that there is literally no other manager who can take over a Championship promotion favourite with a good core squad and get us promoted/challenge for promotion. I think thats incredibly naive.

I think it would be better for him (not necessarily for us!) for us to part ways if we go down

But I'd be happy for him to stay even if we go down

There's nothing in the last 2 seasons to suggest that he could get us back up.
Time for a change for both SD and the club.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:44 pm

I suspect when he leaves many supporters who think he should go will be in for a massive shock that they'll come to regret.

It wouldn't surprise me if we don't get back into the Prem for many, many years.

No guarantees he’d get back us in the prem, you shouldn’t fear change when the alternative isn’t working. You like many have become conditioned that nobody else can do the same job if not better.

I’m not sure when the time is, but 11 games to go needing a great run to save our skins - now is not even the time for discussing it. Same with the players - we know some are set to go but need to forget about that for now.

What's all this ' credit in the bank' nonsense? Surely he's used all that up with his 19 months of shite.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:01 pm

I’m not sure when the time is, but 11 games to go needing a great run to save our skins - now is not even the time for discussing it. Same with the players - we know some are set to go but need to forget about that for now.

There is little or no chance of the current squad and manager turning this around It's been happening for two seasons, last season we just managed it mainly due to the ineptitude of 3 other clubs.

Murger wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:04 pm

What's all this ' credit in the bank' nonsense? Surely he's used all that up with his 19 months of shite.

Not for me he hasn't

But I'm realistic about where we are and what we are

I just wish more fans were realistic about it

Doesn't mean I don't think he could have done a better job over the past couple of seasons, but to keep us up with what we are able to invest with is still a job that I don't think gets the credit it deserves

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:05 pm

There is little or no chance of the current squad and manager turning this around It's been happening for two seasons, last season we just managed it mainly due to the ineptitude of 3 other clubs.

All true, but all Crosspool is asking for is the fans (for example, the ones shouting at McNeil from the start) to concentrate on backing the team