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by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:26 am
ClaretPete001 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:21 am
They put around £20 million per annum into the club, which is a small amount for people that own a $billion company.
I would think the Venky's would consider it money well spent if the club manages to get into the Premiership and the kind of global PR that would generate for them.
And I guess they would then try to sell to get as much of their money back as possible.
I just can't see how you can make money out of clubs the size of Rovers.
You can't make money out of a club the size of Rovers
Thank god we don't support a club that size..........oh
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by claret2018 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:27 am
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:07 am
Maybe someone wants to get on the pics and hasn't been available
John Terry??
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by eastcoastclaret » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:29 am
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:25 am
Perhaps a player being announced at the same time?
I was wondering if it was a new investor
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by arise_sir_charge » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:29 am
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:48 am
He can't officially work without his permit being in place.
Correct.
Also comparing our situation to Rovers. They had decided long before seasons end they weren’t sticking with Mowbray, their season finished before ours and they have seemingly scrambled around to try and persuade someone to take the job.
Where as we have identified our first choice and gone out and got him.
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by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:32 am
Does anyone seriously think that we can't do anything because we haven't announced the new manager yet?
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by ClaretPete001 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:34 am
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:26 am
You can't make money out of a club the size of Rovers
Thank god we don't support a club that size..........oh
Thankfully we don't have to make money out of the club we just have to suspend intelligent facilities enough to maintain belief
According the LET the Venkys have spent over £200 million on the club and we have just been sold for that...! So,....
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by taio » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:35 am
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:26 am
You can't make money out of a club the size of Rovers
Thank god we don't support a club that size..........oh
Pace thinks so
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by Jamesy » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:35 am
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:03 am
He's coming, it's just now a matter of announcing it which I don't think is too far away.
Hope it’s today.
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by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:36 am
ClaretPete001 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:34 am
Thankfully we don't have to make money out of the club we just have to suspend intelligent facilities enough to maintain belief
According the LET the Venkys have spent over £200 million on the club and we have just been sold for that...! So,....
Exciting times!
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by tiger76 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:36 am
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:32 am
Does anyone seriously think that we can't do anything because we haven't announced the new manager yet?
It hasn't stopped us extending existing contracts, and I've no doubt Kompany will be working behind the scenes.
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by gandhisflipflop » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:38 am
eastcoastclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:29 am
I was wondering if it was a new investor
Would explain the bizarre delay.
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by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:40 am
gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:38 am
Would explain the bizarre delay.
Be great if it is but I just can't see it
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by gawthorpe_view » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:41 am
eastcoastclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:29 am
I was wondering if it was a new investor
Mike Ashley?
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by ksrclaret » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:43 am
I’d imagine the person wanting in on any pics (and subsequently delaying the announcement) will simply be Alan Pace.
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by RumRogers » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:45 am
Rovers fan in peace (again).
JDT looks like a decent appointment on paper for us. He's got a lot of work to do in the next couple of months, but I think most Rovers supporters are just relieved it wasn't Simon Grayson.
Regarding Kompany, sounds like you're announcing him today or tomorrow. The work permit saga must have driven you nuts, and it's curious why that took so long (to do with coaching qualifications or... couldn't he have just applied for citizenship?).
Anyway, looking forward to the new season. Fixtures released in ten days, and plenty of local games to look forward to for us both. All the best (until 30th July).
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by jedi_master » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:45 am
Maybe I read it wrongly, but I just took it to mean Pace (who is in desperate need of good PR at the moment) has been abroad/on holiday/away on business or something and wants to ensure he is on the photos with Kompany.
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by eastcoastclaret » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:46 am
gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:38 am
Would explain the bizarre delay.
Wasn't there some talk towards the back end of the season about a new overseas investor?
They would presumably want to be involved with a new manger announcement and it would explain delay.
I guess we will find out soon.
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by northeastclaret » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:46 am
jedi_master wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:45 am
Maybe I read it wrongly, but I just took it to mean Pace (who is in desperate need of good PR at the moment) has been abroad/on holiday/away on business or something and wants to ensure he is on the photos with Kompany.
No , he is working on his house and not available for photos until he is ready
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by jedi_master » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:47 am
northeastclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:46 am
No , he is working on his house and not available for photos until he is ready
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by taio » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:48 am
eastcoastclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:46 am
Wasn't there some talk towards the back end of the season about a new overseas investor?
They would presumably want to be involved with a new manger announcement and it would explain delay.
I guess we will find out soon.
I think you might be reading too much into things. It will
be about Pace wanting his photo taken, that's all.
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by Belgianclaret » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:54 am
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:07 am
Maybe someone wants to get on the pics and hasn't been available
Drat, you've got me there
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by CrosspoolClarets » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:20 am
I’d be interested in knowing which of the sides who didn’t bounce back (Stoke, Derby, Bolton etc) didn’t gamble in year 1.
We seem to be going for it within the parameters having a very delicate financial situation to address, i.e. paying VK what we are etc. We seem to be doing it “progressively” with a young exciting manager who plays good football (which many of us wanted even in the PL). What I don’t know is what all the other clubs did.
To put it another way, for once I feel I can’t gauge our chances of success,
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by BurnleyPaul » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:22 am
RumRogers wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:45 am
Regarding Kompany, sounds like you're announcing him today or tomorrow. The work permit saga must have driven you nuts, and it's curious why that took so long (to do with coaching qualifications or... couldn't he have just applied for citizenship?).
More that priority is being given to Ukrainian nationals seeking refugee status or visas to come here…
The division of the Home Office that deals with this stuff is massively overworked, incredibly understaffed, and to be honest, we’re not that important as an entity in the grand scheme of things…
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by Smile » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:23 am
claret2018 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:27 am
John Terry??
Made me laugh, and deserved a like.
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by Bigvince » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:29 am
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:07 am
Maybe someone wants to get on the pics and hasn't been available
So that’s it then, Bertie Bee must be on holiday!
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by dsr » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:30 am
CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:20 am
I’d be interested in knowing which of the sides who didn’t bounce back (Stoke, Derby, Bolton etc) didn’t gamble in year 1.
We seem to be going for it within the parameters having a very delicate financial situation to address, i.e. paying VK what we are etc. We seem to be doing it “progressively” with a young exciting manager who plays good football (which many of us wanted even in the PL). What I don’t know is what all the other clubs did.
To put it another way, for once I feel I can’t gauge our chances of success,
To be fair, we played good football in the Championship when we got promotion under Dyche. I don't recall many people saying that we were getting the ball forward and putting it in the net in too few passes.
A very high proportion of what makes entertaining football depends on how effective it is. Take a look at the Brighton forum when they've gone 6 games without a goal, and we can see how un-entertained they are by their "good football".
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by burnley007 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:33 am
This is utterly bonkers.
Pace needs a rocket up his arse.
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by Oldparkwood » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:36 am
I think the whole Vincent Kompany saga has been an absolute PR disaster from the club. and should and could of been handled a lot better
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by Andreshotboots » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:40 am
tom210 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:36 am
I think the whole Vincent Kompany saga has been an absolute PR disaster from the club. and should and could of been handled a lot better
If we have a good start to the season this will all be forgotten about in a few weeks..
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by CoolClaret » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:40 am
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:26 am
You can't make money out of a club the size of Rovers
Thank god we don't support a club that size..........oh
Mike Garlick would beg to differ…
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by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:41 am
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:32 am
Does anyone seriously think that we can't do anything because we haven't announced the new manager yet?
Clearly some do, only on the previous page there is a poster hinting he isn't even coming
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by Oldparkwood » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:53 am
Andreshotboots wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:40 am
If we have a good start to the season this will all be forgotten about in a few weeks..
Completely agree.... It will be forgotten however it doesn't look great on the PR team and whoever is advising on it.
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by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:54 am
tom210 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:53 am
Completely agree.... It will be forgotten however it doesn't look great on the PR team and whoever is advising on it.
Apart from some on here who else in the world of football is struggling with it ? Bad PR ? 99% of the football world couldn't care less that it hasn't been announced just yet.
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by arise_sir_charge » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:58 am
PR disasters and rockets up arses.
This board:-)
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by Stockbrokerbelt » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:59 am
Like kids who want to open their xmas pressies in the early hours & are forced to wait until after breakfast. How anyone thinks that there is nothing going on behind the scenes regarding recruitment needs to understand how things work in football. I can’t believe our new manager would not have had some input into contract extensions….
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by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:01 pm
Been re-opened for a while. he was 1/20 when it came back on the market and he is still 1/20. In other words nothing has changed
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by Oldparkwood » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:01 pm
claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:54 am
Apart from some on here who else in the world of football is struggling with it ? Bad PR ? 99% of the football world couldn't care less that it hasn't been announced just yet.
So what are you saying that there are only a few members on this message board that are bothered?
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by joey13 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:02 pm
Stockbrokerbelt wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:59 am
Like kids who want to open their xmas pressies in the early hours & are forced to wait until after breakfast. How anyone thinks that there is nothing going on behind the scenes regarding recruitment needs to understand how things work in football. I can’t believe our new manager would not have had some input into contract extensions….
Going off the last few transfer windows I think the majority of Burnley fans have a genuine right to be worried.
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by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:02 pm
tom210 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:01 pm
So what are you saying that there are only a few members on this message board that are bothered?
Who else would you imagine is arsed ?
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by Steddyman » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:03 pm
RumRogers wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:45 am
Rovers fan in peace (again).
JDT looks like a decent appointment on paper for us. He's got a lot of work to do in the next couple of months, but I think most Rovers supporters are just relieved it wasn't Simon Grayson.
Regarding Kompany, sounds like you're announcing him today or tomorrow. The work permit saga must have driven you nuts, and it's curious why that took so long (to do with coaching qualifications or... couldn't he have just applied for citizenship?).
Anyway, looking forward to the new season. Fixtures released in ten days, and plenty of local games to look forward to for us both. All the best (until 30th July).
Good luck to you too.
I've got to admit I was excited with the thought of dropping to the Championship because of all the local derbies. Matches will mean more this year for sure and we will win far more games than in the last few years. Combine that with a new attacking football style, and I can't wait for it to get started.
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by brexit » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:07 pm
claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:01 pm
Been re-opened for a while. he was 1/20 when it came back on the market and he is still 1/20. In other words nothing has changed
ah ok
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by Burnley1989 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:24 pm
Stockbrokerbelt wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:59 am
Like kids who want to open their xmas pressies in the early hours & are forced to wait until after breakfast. How anyone thinks that there is nothing going on behind the scenes regarding recruitment needs to understand how things work in football. I can’t believe our new manager would not have had some input into contract extensions….
yup
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by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:27 pm
They only reopened the betting on the off chance that the people who post on here would dump in their life savings because its been "too long"
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by 1HappyClaret » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:39 pm
tom210 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:36 am
I think the whole Vincent Kompany saga has been an absolute PR disaster from the club. and should and could of been handled a lot better
How, if it is believed that it is down to a work permit, could it have been handled any better? How is a PR disaster. It is the people on this message board that making it a 'PR disaster'.
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by martin_p » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:42 pm
tom210 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:36 am
I think the whole Vincent Kompany saga has been an absolute PR disaster from the club. and should and could of been handled a lot better
I’m not sure that people who bandy this phrase around know what a PR disaster actually is!
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by CnBtruntru » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:47 pm
Now I know what is going on, AP is putting a shed load of bets on @ 1/20 , so we could be waiting a while for him to make £120 million back, probably need to borrow at least another £2 billion
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by RumRogers » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:52 pm
Steddyman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:03 pm
I've got to admit I was excited with the thought of dropping to the Championship because of all the local derbies. Matches will mean more this year for sure and we will win far more games than in the last few years. Combine that with a new attacking football style, and I can't wait for it to get started.
A number of ours weren't bothered about being in the Championship when we were bobbing around in the Premier League. You get the odd smattering of that on message boards, but I don't think even they would "prefer to be in the lower leagues". The local games this coming season certainly adds a bit of match-day excitement, mind.
I cringe when I read managers (or the media) telling us they like to play an "attacking style". We've had plenty of plodders in the last decade talking about a "style of football" and an "identity". It's just ********, really, and I've seen what an absolute shambles of a defence that "style" can create. Give me a team built on a solid defence over an "attacking style" any day of the week. Not to blaspheme on here, but Graeme Souness (for a time) and Mark Hughes brought us the best runs of success since Dalglish, and they certainly focused on a solid defence first and foremost. Dyche seemed to do that for you, too.
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by BuryClaret » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:58 pm
No Kompany announcement today, according to Chris Boden.
Sigh
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by Lancasterclaret » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:59 pm
BuryClaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:58 pm
No Kompany announcement today, according to Chris Boden.
Sigh
Gives us something to argue about till tomorrow I suppose