The deal that we’d all think was super, if only you could tell us about it, (a very Trump like statement) apparently accounted for the possibility of relegation.

Well, relegation is here, so we will soon see how well the plan unfolds with a huge drop in revenue, players wanting to leave, interest payments on a massive debt to be paid and a squad in need of a massive overhaul.

Lack of appropriate investment prior to and during your tenure is going to prove very costly. I’m sure your LED screens will look lovely in the division below, but it’s what happens on the pitch that’s the bread and butter.

Over to you Alan, time to earn your corn!

The only unbelievable part of the deal is that they managed to buy a Premier League football club in the first place.

He’s not the first and he certainly won’t be the last, but he’s another American that really hasn’t got a clue about running a football club.

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 4:28 pm

The only unbelievable part of the deal is that they managed to buy a Premier League football club in the first place.

He’s not the first and he certainly won’t be the last, but he’s another American that really hasn’t got a clue about running a football club.

Very true. If he had any idea about running a football club he would never have given Dyche a long term contract and he would also have got rid of him long before now.

Said this before i will repeat it Pace bought two football teams a mid table championship men team and a WSL premiership bound team.
The investment, future and vision is for the women's team not the mens.

brexit wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:04 pm

Said this before i will repeat it Pace bought two football teams a mid table championship men team and a WSL premiership bound team.
The investment, future and vision is for the women's team not the mens.

Bloody hell, if that’s his plan he’s off his tits!

Football clubs should not be taken over using heavily leveraged buyouts. They are not only businesses, they are also massive community assets.

brexit wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:04 pm

Said this before i will repeat it Pace bought two football teams a mid table championship men team and a WSL premiership bound team.
The investment, future and vision is for the women's team not the mens.

Don’t talk daft.

How would they ever make any money from the women’s team?

It's going to be interesting to see how they approach relegation.
The Cash Cow they thought they were buying is going to be grazing on far less lush grasses next season.
My fear is, can they Asset Strip to the bare bones before riding off into the sunset chewing their bacca?
They came in with less than the fee we got for an average striker gone poor, if what I'm led to believe is true, so it's it was never going to be a risk that made them homeless.

Wonder where the first parachute payment is earmarked to go ? Why do I not trust these owners ?

brexit wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:04 pm

Said this before i will repeat it Pace bought two football teams a mid table championship men team and a WSL premiership bound team.
The investment, future and vision is for the women's team not the mens.

Been some bizarre posts over the years, but this is right up there

Are u all blaming Alan Pace for our utterly inept display today?

Give the guy a break he got Cornet the brightest star in a while scorer of some great goals that I will remember for many a year and Wout Weghorst who looks a top player who just needs people to pass to his feet
We are struggling in cm with only Brownhill worth the shirt but this will get addressed come July.

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:18 pm

Give the guy a break he got Cornet the brightest star in a while scorer of some great goals that I will remember for many a year and Wout Weghorst who looks a top player who just needs people to pass to his feet
We are struggling in cm with only Brownhill worth the shirt but this will get addressed come July.

Also got Collins and was very close to Orisic, even flying out there himself to try to save the deal. He's secured our best manager since Potts (we won't get anyone better) and he's dragging the club into the 21st century. He often speaks to the fans at games too, to find out how he can further improve the club. I'm not sure what people want in terms of 'running the club'.

BLH_Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:01 pm

Very true. If he had any idea about running a football club he would never have given Dyche a long term contract and he would also have got rid of him long before now.

Notice you joined the forum in the summer. That you big Al? Care to tell us exactly what you did and didn't do at Citibank and Lehman Brothers yet? Your titles sounded cracking must have seen all sorts in your time.

Fretters wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:46 pm

Also got Collins and was very close to Orisic, even flying out there himself to try to save the deal. He's secured our best manager since Potts (we won't get anyone better) and he's dragging the club into the 21st century. He often speaks to the fans at games too, to find out how he can further improve the club. I'm not sure what people want in terms of 'running the club'.

Not putting us in debt with a leveraged buyout that endangers the club without risking any of ALK Capital's own capital would be capital for a start.
As for his night flight, sounds good doesn't it. Much like his initial Twitter activity. Very good PR fluff which has equal achievement and evidence.

I’m wondering where the hate for the owners has come from today?
Where was this yesterday?

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:16 pm

I’m wondering where the hate for the owners has come from today?
Where was this yesterday?

It’s not hate, it’s concern for what we might be heading towards.

Worrying times.

DCWat wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:19 pm

It’s not hate, it’s concern for what we might be heading towards.

Worrying times.

There is a lot of hatred as well.

Whatever it is, why does there seem to be so many posts about the owners after a defeat?

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:25 pm

Whatever it is, why does there seem to be so many posts about the owners after a defeat?

I could ask the question as to why there are so many posts about the manager after a defeat when the same posters don't comment after a win. I suppose you need to ask those who start the threads, encouraging others to join in.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:25 pm

There is a lot of hatred as well.

Whatever it is, why does there seem to be so many posts about the owners after a defeat?

Because the impending relegation will likely spell disaster for our club as a result of how the takeover has been structured.

Time will tell, but it’s not looking good at all.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:29 pm

I could ask the question as to why there are so many posts about the manager after a defeat when the same posters don't comment after a win. I suppose you need to ask those who start the threads, encouraging others to join in.

Managers and players are directly involved in the games.
As for those joining in….

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:29 pm

I could ask the question as to why there are so many posts about the manager after a defeat when the same posters don't comment after a win. I suppose you need to ask those who start the threads, encouraging others to join in.

So you mean the same posters haven't commented 4 times in 18 months?

Your chasing a losing battle, were done and Dyche is done accept it move on we may just may end up in a happier place

bumba wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:37 pm

So you mean the same posters haven't commented 4 times in 18 months?

Your chasing a losing battle, were done and Dyche is done accept it move on we may just may end up in a happier place

I think you've missed the point of my post or I've written it badly.

I can not for the life in me comprehend why Pace gave Dyche a four year contract: perhaps, like a lot on here, he thinks that Dyche is infallible. I have never called for Dyche to go, but now if he were to leave, I wouldn't be the slightest concerned.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:25 pm

There is a lot of hatred as well.

Whatever it is, why does there seem to be so many posts about the owners after a defeat?

You're right. People only criticise ALK when we lose.
Well. And during the net-profit transfer window. Oh and every time a new article or report comes out regarding our current financial situation. Or when loan repayments are delayed. Or when the share buyback is delayed. Or from day one when the leveraged takeover was disclosed.
But apart from all those times it's only when we lose and totally equivalent to the armchair managers.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:43 pm

I think you've missed the point of my post or I've written it badly.

You said we don't comment after a win...which is 4 times in 18 months?
Or without sounding rude has it just sunk in?
An I honestly don't mean to be rude there, I really hope you are seeing the magnitude of the issue

spt_claret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:46 pm

You're right. People only criticise ALK when we lose.
Well. And during the net-profit transfer window. Oh and every time a new article or report comes out regarding our current financial situation. Or when loan repayments are delayed. Or when the share buyback is delayed. Or from day one when the leveraged takeover was disclosed.
But apart from all those times it's only when we lose and totally equivalent to the armchair managers.

Yet not last Thursday. Or Friday. Or Saturday. Or today prior to full time.

Bumba just be careful here. Or you may find posts removed. That’s the big boy way to win arguments.

Papabendi wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:50 pm

Bumba just be careful here. Or you may find posts removed. That’s the big boy way to win arguments.

Grow up or go and find somewhere else to play

Grow up like the post remover?

bumba wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:47 pm

You said we don't comment after a win...which is 4 times in 18 months?
Or without sounding rude has it just sunk in?
An I honestly don't mean to be rude there, I really hope you are seeing the magnitude of the issue

I fully understand the situation, the point I was trying to make that after a performance that is deemed horrendous (and there haven't just been one or two this season) there are a group of posters who are on this message board making it a very toxic place to go. When the performance (or result really) is considered OK then they are not here. That's all I was trying to say, and not for one minute happy in any way with the current situation.

spt_claret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:15 pm

Notice you joined the forum in the summer. That you big Al? Care to tell us exactly what you did and didn't do at Citibank and Lehman Brothers yet? Your titles sounded cracking must have seen all sorts in your time.
Not putting

Lol. Is that the best you’ve got sweetheart? My you really have got your panties in a twist today. You’re trying to hard.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:49 pm

Yet not last Thursday. Or Friday. Or Saturday. Or today prior to full time.

You'd prefer people say it every single day?
I know that some of the Dyche Out lot like that but I reckon that would get tiresome and also diminish the impact of criticism. But glad to know that if people make regular habits of questioning ALKs stewardship you'll be supportive of it.

BLH_Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:55 pm

Lol. Is that the best you’ve got sweetheart? My you really have got your panties in a twist today. You’re trying to hard.

Not as much as you wanting to sack our most successful manager in decades with a 2 for 2 in the Championship because of an admittedly poor season. Very long term stable vision for the club that, just the Lehman Leadership we need.

spt_claret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:57 pm

Not as much as you wanting to sack our most successful manager in decades with a 2 for 2 in the Championship because of an admittedly poor season. Very long term stable vision for the club that, just the Lehman Leadership we need.

No place for sentiment in football. You take the plaudits you must accept the opposite. Yours in sport, Alan.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:54 pm

I fully understand the situation, the point I was trying to make that after a performance that is deemed horrendous (and there haven't just been one or two this season) there are a group of posters who are on this message board making it a very toxic place to go. When the performance (or result really) is considered OK then they are not here. That's all I was trying to say, and not for one minute happy in any way with the current situation.

I hope I'm not considered one of those posters, win lose or draw, you will hear my opinion

spt_claret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:55 pm

You'd prefer people say it every single day?
I know that some of the Dyche Out lot like that but I reckon that would get tiresome and also diminish the impact of criticism. But glad to know that if people make regular habits of questioning ALKs stewardship you'll be supportive of it.

No I’m wondering what has changed in the ownership after todays game.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:49 pm

Yet not last Thursday. Or Friday. Or Saturday. Or today prior to full time.

Comments relating to concerns about the board have been aired since the takeover, not just following defeats.

People could quite easily and justifiably have criticised the performance after the Everton game. Let’s be brutally honest here, we were bloody poor in that game too. At least we showed some bottle though.

Whether criticism of Dyche, The Board or players is made after a win or after a defeat, whoever posts such a sentiment can’t win.

If we’ve won it’s why are you criticising after we’ve won, if we’ve lost it’s you only criticise when we are losing. Are we saying there isn’t a time for criticism at all?

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:01 pm

I hope I'm not considered one of those posters, win lose or draw, you will hear my opinion

Now that's a totally different concern

Not read all the thread as golf's on but was thinking thinking during the week that pace has gone very quickly quiet since January, is he keeping away to let it run its course or is he staying away since it never went his way.

This might be complete conjecture but he has been vocal since he came in but since January he seems to have gone to sleep again.

I'm not personally fussed but it might say something

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:01 pm

No I’m wondering what has changed in the ownership after todays game.

People want scapegoats, easiest targets. Usual people individually to blame. Most don’t believe what they type in anger, sadly a lot do.

alboclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:05 pm

Not read all the thread as golf's on but was thinking thinking during the week that pace has gone very quickly quiet since January, is he keeping away to let it run its course or is he staying away since it never went his way.

This might be complete conjecture but he has been vocal since he came in but since January he seems to have gone to sleep again.

I'm not personally fussed but it might say something

He's on Twitter on a fairly regular basis, as often since January as before I reckon

BLH_Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:00 pm

No place for sentiment in football. You take the plaudits you must accept the opposite. Yours in sport, Alan.

Nothing to do with sentiment,to do with the choice of a manager with a proven track record of promotion in both of his full seasons in the Championship with a poor budget, or rolling the dice on a replacement when the club is already debt ridden and facing major turnover on the pitch with little sign of investment coming.
One is a proven quantity taking the risk that it's ran out, the other is a high risk total unknown. And so far ALKs leadership has been taking high risks, but it's the club on the line, not their money. The last thing the club needs is more risk and instability.

alboclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:05 pm

Not read all the thread as golf's on but was thinking thinking during the week that pace has gone very quickly quiet since January, is he keeping away to let it run its course or is he staying away since it never went his way.

This might be complete conjecture but he has been vocal since he came in but since January he seems to have gone to sleep again.

I'm not personally fussed but it might say something

Still pops up on Twitter occasionally. I think there is not much a chairman can do after January. You then are pretty much then in the same boat as the rest of us when the players run out. SD for good or ill depending on your view is in control then… and is why he gets tthe ‘big bucks’, as they’d say.

DCWat wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:03 pm

Comments relating to concerns about the board have been aired since the takeover, not just following defeats.

People could quite easily and justifiably have criticised the performance after the Everton game. Let’s be brutally honest here, we were bloody poor in that game too. At least we showed some bottle though.

Whether criticism of Dyche, The Board or players is made after a win or after a defeat, whoever posts such a sentiment can’t win.

If we’ve won it’s why are you criticising after we’ve won, if we’ve lost it’s you only criticise when we are losing. Are we saying there isn’t a time for criticism at all?

Well if it’s that’s concerning why wouldn’t you criticise the ownership after a win? What difference is there?
Did they contribute to the win on Weds but fail to contribute to the loss today?

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:05 pm

People want scapegoats, easiest targets. Usual people individually to blame. Most don’t believe what they type in anger, sadly a lot do.

This has absolutely nothing to do with scapegoats or easy targets, fans are rightly concerned about the finances around the takeover and that's now ten fold with relegation almost confirmed this weekend. These have been unanswered questions and concerns since ALK arrived, our income being slashed imminently was always going to bring up these questions again.

“ and Wout Weghorst who looks a top player who just needs people to pass to his feet ”. Oh dear, It must be true then I obviously haven’t a clue about football.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:08 pm

Well if it’s that’s concerning why wouldn’t you criticise the ownership after a win? What difference is there?
Did they contribute to the win on Weds but fail to contribute to the loss today?

Maybe the questions have been raised again because our income is set to be slashed imminently with relegation almost confirmed this weekend, just a thought....

I’d have thought that it was obvious that my post was driven by todays defeat, because in all likelihood, we now face championship football and the challenges that is going to bring, because of how the club has been taken over.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:08 pm

Still pops up on Twitter occasionally. I think there is not much a chairman can do after January. You then are pretty much then in the same boat as the rest of us when the players run out. SD for good or ill depending on your view is in control then… and is why he gets tthe ‘big bucks’, as they’d say.

I get that and it's more than plausible that is all it is but it just seems that he was daily vocal way before January and since there is nothing. Let's hope he's not shifting his undies

I've been boring you all with these questions all season long

I'm not a financial expert but it doesn't look good when they allegedly defaulted on further payments required to Garlick and had to renegotiate payment terms.