2 matches against the worst team in the division and not a goal.
Why? Because they have Krul, Gibson & Hanley yet we persist in looping high crosses into the box, which they gobble up. The one real chance came when Dwight fizzed one in low and Max should have scored. The major problem is our midfield don’t get close enough to the penalty area that we can play it up to feet and the strikers can have options. We are stuck with this awful system.

The gamelplan? Leave your most talented player on the bench and lump high balls in from deep positions.

The game plan?

Same as

Norwich H
Newcastle A
Watford H
Leeds A
Brentford A
Norwich A

Absolutely dross when it comes to playing on the front foot in games you should be strong in, against teams bang out of form thst cannot win or defend..

The goals for column tells tou all you need to know.

I doubt there's even too many genuine scoring chances in there either!

The game plan of relying on percentages and luck only gets you do far, sometimes you need a bit of knowledge and application

We actually knocked it about a bit in the first half and created a few chances.

Second we replaced our 6ft 6 striker with Vydra we starting lumping aimless long balls forward.

Bizarre.

We don't have one.

Embarrassing when bottom of the league are screaming “hoof” at you.

Big Dyche fan but absolutely had enough of watching this dreadful hoofball. Why they (the coaching staff) can’t coach the lads to play it on the deck, get in to the box and create chances without lumping crosses in every time is beyond me.

Prime example: ball falls to Lennon in the box today, our fastest/trickiest player. Does he take his man on? Nope. Passes it away from goal to Lowts to scuff a **** cross in.

We have a single corner routine, persist with Brownhill taking fks with no imagination or invention whatsoever. See Norwich who had some creativity today.

Note to coaching staff: look how we scored the second half goals vs Everton and encourage more of that. Commit players to the box. Stop hooping aimless floaty balls in to the box. Work on set pieces. And if you can’t, turn in your cards & let us find someone who can.

I have no idea what the gameplan is, sub off your best technical striker because he can't get into the game without service and replace him with a smaller striker and kick the ball even higher thus providing even less service?

We are using Jay Rod like he's a prime Kevin Davies, when has that ever been Jay Rods game? He's never been a 6ft 3 big target man and never will be.

Who is supposed to be crossing the ball? Aaron Lennon in his prime at 24 years old couldn't cross a ball for toffee, he offers us nothing going forwards and never did in his first spell. Whilst the 1 player who keeps the ball moving on the ground and can cross a ball is sat on the bench because unsurprisingly he's out of form.

And dont even get me started on Brownhill taking free kicks.......

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:58 pm

And dont even get me started on Brownhill taking free kicks.......

If that happens again this season I’m cancelling my ST next year

what_no_pies wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:55 pm

We actually knocked it about a bit in the first half and created a few chances.

Second we replaced our 6ft 6 striker with Vydra we starting lumping aimless long balls forward.

Bizarre.

This happens time after time.
Two big centre halves with no pace and the turning circle of an oil tanker and we persist with lobbing it up to Vydra.
Play it on the floor pleeeease.
We create chances when we do.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:32 pm

Embarrassing when bottom of the league are screaming “hoof” at you.

Big Dyche fan but absolutely had enough of watching this dreadful hoofball. Why they (the coaching staff) can’t coach the lads to play it on the deck, get in to the box and create chances without lumping crosses in every time is beyond me.

Prime example: ball falls to Lennon in the box today, our fastest/trickiest player. Does he take his man on? Nope. Passes it away from goal to Lowts to scuff a **** cross in.

We have a single corner routine, persist with Brownhill taking fks with no imagination or invention whatsoever. See Norwich who had some creativity today.

Note to coaching staff: look how we scored the second half goals vs Everton and encourage more of that. Commit players to the box. Stop hooping aimless floaty balls in to the box. Work on set pieces. And if you can’t, turn in your cards & let us find someone who can.

beautifully put

Fao Newclaret, good points but things will get better ,trust me I've seen far worse from Burnley

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:32 pm

Embarrassing when bottom of the league are screaming “hoof” at you.

Big Dyche fan but absolutely had enough of watching this dreadful hoofball. Why they (the coaching staff) can’t coach the lads to play it on the deck, get in to the box and create chances without lumping crosses in every time is beyond me.

Prime example: ball falls to Lennon in the box today, our fastest/trickiest player. Does he take his man on? Nope. Passes it away from goal to Lowts to scuff a **** cross in.

We have a single corner routine, persist with Brownhill taking fks with no imagination or invention whatsoever. See Norwich who had some creativity today.

Note to coaching staff: look how we scored the second half goals vs Everton and encourage more of that. Commit players to the box. Stop hooping aimless floaty balls in to the box. Work on set pieces. And if you can’t, turn in your cards & let us find someone who can.

If your expecting our squad to consistently play the ball on the ground your on a hiding for nothing.

They don’t have the ability, look at our CMs none of them can pass. That’s why we go long all the time.

I did think on 20 mins that you could see how it was going to pan out, it needed Vydra at that stage.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:32 pm

Embarrassing when bottom of the league are screaming “hoof” at you.

Big Dyche fan but absolutely had enough of watching this dreadful hoofball. Why they (the coaching staff) can’t coach the lads to play it on the deck, get in to the box and create chances without lumping crosses in every time is beyond me.

Prime example: ball falls to Lennon in the box today, our fastest/trickiest player. Does he take his man on? Nope. Passes it away from goal to Lowts to scuff a **** cross in.

We have a single corner routine, persist with Brownhill taking fks with no imagination or invention whatsoever. See Norwich who had some creativity today.

Note to coaching staff: look how we scored the second half goals vs Everton and encourage more of that. Commit players to the box. Stop hooping aimless floaty balls in to the box. Work on set pieces. And if you can’t, turn in your cards & let us find someone who can.

Speaking of corner routines.... City scored one against us at home a couple of seasons ago where they passed short then layed it off to someone at the corner of the box who hit it in. Leeds did the same at their place this season, and Norwich tried it yesterday. There's been quite a few teams who've tried it. It's a worry that we don't seem to have adapted to it and just leaves us open to am easy goal every time

beddie wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:45 am

I did think on 20 mins that you could see how it was going to pan out, it needed Vydra at that stage.

Vydra was just as bad as the rest of the forwards, non of them could get a touch of the ball. The forwards aren't the issue, lumping it to them is. Look at the Pukki goal, how many attempted passes did our midfield make like that? into the forwards feet on the edge of the area? the midfield spent the entire time giving the ball away on the half way line or booting it long.

Vydra isn't beating Grant Hanley in the air but we keep hitting it long.

It strikes me that the game plan hasn't changed much from the heady days of 5 years ago. Back then we would win a lot of second balls from the hoofs thus creating more chances. It just isn't working now. For whatever reason our midfield doesn't support the attack as adequately as it used to. When we do get an opportunity we waste it. In the first half yesterday, from where I was stood, it was obvious (for one example) that Brownhill had 3 or 4 clear opportunities for an attempt on goal from 18-20 yards. Instead the ball is played sideways and the chance was gone. I reckon that most Premier League midfielders in that position would have had a pop on at least one occasion. The fact that Brownhill didn't suggests to me that he either doesn't have the confidence to do so or he is being told not to. I suspect the latter. Dycheball seems to require that his players get within 10 yards of goal before pulling the trigger. Statistically it is possibly correct that most PL goals are scored from that range but we just aren't currently good at doing it or creating the initial chance quickly enough for it to work. We haven't been for the last 18 months or so. We play pro-forma football without any flair or pace and with no apparent plan B. Sadly, for me, given our recent Cup performances against lesser opposition, it doesn't bode well for next season if we are relegated.

If we are just gonna knock it long all game and hope the ball bounces off the defenders arse to create a chance then what hope do we have? If we are gonna pump it all game, at least bring in the right players to play that way?

Vydra, Cornet, Weghorst, Jay have been our strikers for the most part, which of these does pumping it long suit? 0 is the answer

So why are they here? Surely you recruit players to fit the style of play, no?

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 10, 2022 4:30 pm

2 matches against the worst team in the division and not a goal.
Why? Because they have Krul, Gibson & Hanley yet we persist in looping high crosses into the box, which they gobble up. The one real chance came when Dwight fizzed one in low and Max should have scored. The major problem is our midfield don’t get close enough to the penalty area that we can play it up to feet and the strikers can have options. We are stuck with this awful system.

We are not stuck with it, we just choose to play it, and it's mind-bogglingly stupid. For some strange reason SD picks the same team, with the same tactics, and expects different results.
The only slight comfort is I wasn't lifted by the Everton result, I could see yesterday coming from a long way. We aren't just bad, but predictably bad.

There was a plan?

Can we please stop this immediately-we are showing up our coaches

I'm not sure there's been a plan since Cornet joined. We've shoe horned players into the team all season without knowing our best 11, we've persisted with woefully out of form players and since the arrival of Weghorst the 'tactic' of hitting it up top looks even less likely to yield results due to him actually operating better with his feet. (Something that looks blindly obvious but doesn't appear to be being noticed).
There is nothing tactical and no game plan being employed currently. Nothing appears to link up.
And the nice professional squad ideals that Dyche pings around has been lost when you consider we've had two done for drink driving and Wood who couldn't wait to get through the door in January. Also plenty of other rumours around such as Rodriguez not happy with his chances earlier in the season.
We have completely lost our identity.

Why do I keep mistaking this for a thread about Indonesian music?

Lumping the ball forward won't change , it's set in "stone " .

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:50 am

If your expecting our squad to consistently play the ball on the ground your on a hiding for nothing.

They don’t have the ability, look at our CMs none of them can pass. That’s why we go long all the time.

I disagree, Newcastle.

There are times when we do play football. And it works.

Everton’s goals, Brentford at home, Dwight’s low ball to Cornet yesterday (the only low ball). We can do it, we just don’t.

Taylor & Tarks hoofing every ball yesterday, only Lowton showed any composure at the back and carried it out/passed it.

Dyche should be on the sidelines urging calmness and composure. Telling the midfield to offer themselves. Not just talking to his hand. We also have Cork on the bench who he should maybe try playing when we resort to such tactics.

What I just cannot fathom is that we don’t have forwards who like it banged in to them. They want it to their feet and are decent when they get it there. Meanwhile they were up against Hanley/Gibson and we make it meat and drink for them.

Tbh we were **** against Everton & got away with that one too. Might’ve done the same vs Norwich had Cornet bagged but it would not detract from the fact that we can play football but continually choose not to and that is a coaching and in-game management issue.

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:47 am

Fao Newclaret, good points but things will get better ,trust me I've seen far worse from Burnley

I really, really, really hope you’re right mate because I’m finding it so depressing at the moment.

expoultryboy wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:30 am

Lumping the ball forward won't change , it's set in "stone " .

Well Dyche is still here sad but true, however if we're going to persist in playing direct football, then sign a couple of forwards who can at least make it effective, Barnes and Wood did manage to make this approach work for 3-4 years, but the former is now a bit-part player, and the latter has moved onto Newcastle.

Funny isn't it that the few times when we've actually got the ball on the ground, and played some footy we've scored goals, Leicester away 1st half, Brighton away, Everton at home 2nd half, yet for some reason Sean then reverts to adopting this strategy which simply isn't working now.

Norwich made us look mugs yesterday, bottom of the league Norwich, who coasted to victory, that doesn't bode well for our looming Championship campaign does it.

Belial wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:53 am

Speaking of corner routines.... City scored one against us at home a couple of seasons ago where they passed short then layed it off to someone at the corner of the box who hit it in. Leeds did the same at their place this season, and Norwich tried it yesterday. There's been quite a few teams who've tried it. It's a worry that we don't seem to have adapted to it and just leaves us open to am easy goal every time

I take a kids team. Defensively ask the wide players to watch the short corners and striker to defend the players on the edge of the box, then get upfield quickly if we win back possession. They know their jobs and I can see them get on with it as they concede one.

I’ve got 0 coaching badges - pretty simple stuff that appears to work and whilst appreciating you cannot compare this to PL, I find it hard to understand how or why we continually look disorganised from short corners and never mark any players on the edge of the box… preferring to “close them down” which seems to just run the risk of a deflection to me (vs marking them so they are never “on”).

Offensively I have the luxury of a fantastic corner taker. Much more consistent than Westwood! He whips balls in on the keeper and at this age/level they can’t handle it. But I have 4 corner routines. Two inswinging with a) players grouped at far post by edge of the 6 yard box running forward as it comes in, or b) standard positions, an outswinger with a bus stop at edge of box, and a short one. I insist we do 70% in swingers with the others for variety/to catch them out and also that we get every one in the box. I go mad if we don’t from a short corner. We create masses of chances/goals from them, mainly since at our age group they can’t defend them.

Cornet’s corners are much better. Low with whip. Westwoods won’t cause issues for experienced defenders now. Too high and loopy. When they beat the first man that is.

I just find it hard to understand how I can come up with four routines in the one hour per week I get to work with them and we have one when they have all week.

Same with FKs. Villa have a set piece coach. Ings nearly scored from a well worked one vs Spurs. They won’t all come off of course but it’d at least be nice to feel we were trying different things.

I can honestly see us not wining another game this season.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:08 am

I take a kids team. Defensively ask the wide players to watch the short corners and striker to defend the players on the edge of the box, then get upfield quickly if we win back possession. They know their jobs and I can see them get on with it as they concede one.

I’ve got 0 coaching badges - pretty simple stuff that appears to work and whilst appreciating you cannot compare this to PL, I find it hard to understand how or why we continually look disorganised from short corners and never mark any players on the edge of the box… preferring to “close them down” which seems to just run the risk of a deflection to me (vs marking them so they are never “on”).

Offensively I have the luxury of a fantastic corner taker. Much more consistent than Westwood! He whips balls in on the keeper and at this age/level they can’t handle it. But I have 4 corner routines. Two inswinging with a) players grouped at far post by edge of the 6 yard box running forward as it comes in, or b) standard positions, an outswinger with a bus stop at edge of box, and a short one. I insist we do 70% in swingers with the others for variety/to catch them out and also that we get every one in the box. I go mad if we don’t from a short corner. We create masses of chances/goals from them, mainly since at our age group they can’t defend them.

Cornet’s corners are much better. Low with whip. Westwoods won’t cause issues for experienced defenders now. Too high and loopy. When they beat the first man that is.

I just find it hard to understand how I can come up with four routines in the one hour per week I get to work with them and we have one when they have all week.

Same with FKs. Villa have a set piece coach. Ings nearly scored from a well worked one vs Spurs. They won’t all come off of course but it’d at least be nice to feel we were trying different things.

There's often talks of getting the basics right. As a supporter, watching this same corner routine against us by several teams, I'm struggling to see how it hasn't been rectified when it's already cost us goals