Would anybody go for BFS on a short term deal until the summer alongside a younger fresher manager such as Rooney, Carrick, Terry or Duff even?
He helps them survive passes on his experience then we've got a long term replacement already in too?
Just a thought

Unfortunately yes

If anyoneone is going to keep us up ( extremely unlikely though) BFS on a short team deal is probably the best man to do it. Long term would prefer an up and coming manager otherwise maybe Wilder/ Hughton

BFS? He shouldn’t be let anywhere near our club. He’s a corrupt has been and our club has had 10 years of honesty, integrity and hard work.

No and no

There is an article in the Sun today (maybe rubbish) that we want him in but he wants a huge survival bonus and contract for next season

Would rather go down.

What does BFS offer ? Organise defence and tw@t it forward, sideways appointment. He failed at WBA. It is so short time wise I'd leave it to Mee, he knows the squad.

Not a chance! Sideways at best.

If Bison Head comes anywhere near our club, I won’t go on again. Corrupt, greedy, fat bas***d. He wouldn’t keep us up anyway, we are that bad. So pointless. A young manager, with more ideas than that dinosaur. Not saying it has to be Critchley, but someone of that mould for me.

I have watched this slimy greaseball character from the Bob Lord many times, Relegation I accept this abmonination no thankyou.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:59 am

There is an article in the Sun today (maybe rubbish) that we want him in but he wants a huge survival bonus and contract for next season

The thought of being held to ransom by BFS makes me queasy.

I wouldn't take anyone on a short term deal to the end of the season. If we can't land our targets now (e.g. someone like Wilder who's pushing for promotion) leave Jackson in charge, wait until the end of the season and see if they become available.

Bleeding heck no, what does BFS bring to the party, I thought one of the main reasons for potting Dyche was to appoint a younger manager who'll evolve our style of play, Allardyce ticks none of those particular boxes, and he'll demand a king's ransom to boot.

Jabba the Hutt?

Nay, nay and thrice nay.

BFS wouldn’t touch the job because we could not afford his demands.
He would want a guaranteed large sum whether we stayed up or were relegated

I’d rather be relegated.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:43 am

Bleeding heck no, what does BFS bring to the party, I thought one of the main reasons for potting Dyche was to appoint a younger manager who'll evolve our style of play, Allardyce ticks none of those particular boxes, and he'll demand a king's ransom to boot.

How do you know one of the main reasons for potting dyche was to replace him with a younger manager who will evolve our style of play? Not having a pop, just curious as I haven’t seen anything reported.

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:06 am

What does BFS offer ? Organise defence and tw@t it forward, sideways appointment. He failed at WBA. It is so short time wise I'd leave it to Mee, he knows the squad.

If you want more of the same that we’ve been getting for the last few months, then by all means let Mee choose the team and the formation. Just don’t expect either to be different to what SD would have done.

If people want a change in the playing style (and many do) and the personnel in the starting 11, then new blood is required. That does NOT mean BFS tho…

If we want to stay up BFS would give us the best chance as he wouldn't have to change much. We are already defensive so he would only have to concentrate on putting the ball in the net. Anyone else would change the style which will take more than 8 games.

Bring on Warnock 'till the end of the season

There is only so much i can take even for the clarets,bfs is a step to far, no problem going down as its far better than staying up with him grabbing the glory!

Commy wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:19 am

If we want to stay up BFS would give us the best chance as he wouldn't have to change much. We are already defensive so he would only have to concentrate on putting the ball in the net. Anyone else would change the style which will take more than 8 games.

Don't think he had much success getting WBA to put the ball in the net last season.

No

Look, if they think he's the best bet for a the job for eight games, then yeah, I can cope with that*, but any longer?

But BFS runs stuff with agents to get in loads of players, and I'm not saying he's as bent as it possible to be, but he's not the sort of person we'd want at out football club, especially if it didn't work

*I wouldn't be watching, but my S/T is already paid for so the only person missing out is me

Surely a John Bond like appointment if we did it.
May work but one heck of a gamble.

Big Sam is a step up from a Dyche no matter how you want to frame it. His PL win % is 39%, Dyche’s is 28%

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:51 am

No

Look, if they think he's the best bet for a the job for eight games, then yeah, I can cope with that*, but any longer?

But BFS runs stuff with agents to get in loads of players, and I'm not saying he's as bent as it possible to be, but he's not the sort of person we'd want at out football club, especially if it didn't work

*I wouldn't be watching, but my S/T is already paid for so the only person missing out is me

His number one priority is himself - It’s a job to whoever comes in but I want someone that I can buy into, who I think might care for more than just their bank balance.

If it’s true that Pace was considering this move in January (three months after giving Dyche a four year deal ) he should have a list of decent options. That names like Bruce and Allardyce are being bandied about suggests the opposite. In fact, it suggests that they’re far less forward thinking than they’d like us to believe.

claret2018 wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:59 am

Big Sam is a step up from a Dyche no matter how you want to frame it. His PL win % is 39%, Dyche’s is 28%

Whats his recent win %

WBA barely improved under him for starters

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:04 am

Whats his recent win %

WBA barely improved under him for starters

you want to use recent win % as an argument... check out Dyche's recent win %

I'd offer it to someone like kante personally, or anyone who'll improve our midfield for 8 games.

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:09 am

you want to use recent win % as an argument... check out Dyche's recent win %

I don't think anyone has suggested Dyche as the new manager.

Neil Critchley or Steve Cooper

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:17 am

I don't think anyone has suggested Dyche as the new manager.

No but yer man Lancaster was trying to be smart by suggesting that BFS recent win % was poor at WBA, forgets to consider SYawn Dyches most recent record since that’s what was being compared in the post previous.

Egg on face yet again from the self proclaimed intelligent man.

Anyone with half a brain cell knows that BFS > SD, yes the football isn’t fantastic but it’s still a step up from the utter dross served up under SD.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 6:57 am

How do you know one of the main reasons for potting dyche was to replace him with a younger manager who will evolve our style of play? Not having a pop, just curious as I haven’t seen anything reported.

I don't but if we're replacing one experienced manager with another, especially if the newbie coaches in a similar manner to what SD did, then this change makes little sense.

It appears to me that Pace prefers a younger squad, just look at the incomings of Collins, Cornet & Roberts as evidence, whereas SD certainly in recent years has preferred to persist with the experienced pros.

And throughout football despite the admiration for what Sean has achieved our style of play is often derided, now whether people think this is fair or not it definitely impacts on how far we can grow the club, and probably more importantly for AP increase revenue and investment.

Burnley's problems right now aren't a quick fix, in my view anyway, so it makes sense to get a younger manager with new ideas, who can gradually build a sustainable team that doesn't rely on too many 30+ signings, this is one of the reasons I'm not expecting an instant PL return if we do go down this season, it'll likely take a couple of years to right the ship, therefore we might as well go down a different route to what we have over the previous decade, as successful as that method undoubtedly was it was also becoming increasingly stale during the last 18 months, and we've been crying out for a new approach, which for all his attributes SD wouldn't have offered.

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:09 am

you want to use recent win % as an argument... check out Dyche's recent win %

Won three of our last nine, 33%. So his recent win percentage is higher than the number posted for his overall PL win percentage.

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:23 am

No but yer man Lancaster was trying to be smart by suggesting that BFS recent win % was poor at WBA, forgets to consider SYawn Dyches most recent record since that’s what was being compared in the post previous.

Egg on face yet again from the self proclaimed intelligent man.

Anyone with half a brain cell knows that BFS > SD, yes the football isn’t fantastic but it’s still a step up from the utter dross served up under SD.

Lancaster was stating a fact about BFS's last job.

Dyche has gone - forget him. This is about who could possibly save us this season then take us forward. BFS's recent record suggests he is not that man.

Sadly, I'd probably agree to this (which says a lot about how desperate I am!)

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:53 am

Lancaster was stating a fact about BFS's last job.

Dyche has gone - forget him. This is about who could possibly save us this season then take us forward. BFS's recent record suggests he is not that man.

I can understand some fans wanting SD to go, however when they advocate BFS as his replacement the mind boggles,

Plus he'll demand a huge salary at a time when we need to watch every penny that goes out the door.

If BFS is seen as the answer to our problems, then Pace really doesn't know what he's doing.

In response to the OP, absolutely not Alan. You will be seeing the return of two season tickets if you appoint him.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:59 am

I can understand some fans wanting SD to go, however when they advocate BFS as his replacement the mind boggles,

Plus he'll demand a huge salary at a time when we need to watch every penny that goes out the door.

If BFS is seen as the answer to our problems, then Pace really doesn't know what he's doing.

Not serious posters mate, just a troll

BFS record with Bolton was brilliant, absolutely no doubt about that, plus Rovers (West Ham as well I think) but all a long time ago

The West Brom job was his swansong, in which he bought in loads of players, and improved them to the stage where they still get relegated with gmaes to go, and that money he spent on loan players and agents fees was wasted

I don't think we can afford to risk him

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:08 am

Not serious posters mate, just a troll

BFS record with Bolton was brilliant, absolutely no doubt about that, plus Rovers (West Ham as well I think) but all a long time ago

The West Brom job was his swansong, in which he bought in loads of players, and improved them to the stage where they still get relegated with gmaes to go, and that money he spent on loan players and agents fees was wasted

I don't think we can afford to risk him

Yes I've realised that now, and if that poster thinks Dyche played hoofball (which BTW isn't true) then goodness knows what they'd make of BFS and his progressive style.

Now the decision to sack Sean has been taken it's time to move on, but we all fervently need to hope the board make the right appointment, because if they don't it could set us back for many years.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:14 am

Yes I've realised that now, and if that poster thinks Dyche played hoofball (which BTW isn't true) then goodness knows what they'd make of BFS and his progressive style.

Now the decision to sack Sean has been taken it's time to move on, but we all fervently need to hope the board make the right appointment, because if they don't it could set us back for many years.

There isn't an argument for sacking SD with eight games to go unless the replacement is already here. As its clear he is not, then the sacking must be for a different reason, and one that plenty on here (including me) would argue actually jeopardises our chances of staying up

So it must have been really, really, really serious

But we probably will never know, and we are relying on the U23 coach and Ben Mee to motivate the side to get a result at a team in the running for a champions league spot.

I just hope we have a better idea who it is closer to Thursday, and they have something to work with from this weekend

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:08 am

Not serious posters mate, just a troll

BFS record with Bolton was brilliant, absolutely no doubt about that, plus Rovers (West Ham as well I think) but all a long time ago

The West Brom job was his swansong, in which he bought in loads of players, and improved them to the stage where they still get relegated with gmaes to go, and that money he spent on loan players and agents fees was wasted

I don't think we can afford to risk him

He couldn't bring any players in though, if he was on a short term contract until this June. We need experience of a dogfight instantly. A long term appointment can be sorted after May and tailored to which League we are in.

It would be unbearable seeing him in the dugout, but worse would be short arse Sammy Lee running up & down the touchline in his tracksuit, screaming his fcuking head off !

Aclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:04 pm

It would be unbearable seeing him in the dugout, but worse would be short arse Sammy Lee running up & down the touchline in his tracksuit, screaming his fcuking head off !

Totally agree with that, not something I want to see either.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:19 am

There isn't an argument for sacking SD with eight games to go unless the replacement is already here. As its clear he is not, then the sacking must be for a different reason, and one that plenty on here (including me) would argue actually jeopardises our chances of staying up

I think you're very much in the minority if you think we weren't 100% doomed under Dyche. Limp performance after limp performance, zero indication he was gonna suddenly start coaching us to wins.

We have 100% a better shot at survival now Dyche has gone, that new manager bounce is exactly what is required, a bounce we were never ever getting with flat Dyche performances like the ones at Norwich and Brentford and Leeds and Newcastle and home to Watford and the rest.

In many ways I am dreading the announcement of our new manager. I really, really don’t want an Allardyce/Bruce type of appointment.

I’ve been pretty accepting all season that we’re going down, so I have no issue if Jackson/Jenkins/Mee continue the temporary management until the end of the season.

Isn’t Allardyce known for having lots of back room staff follow him around? Losing Mercer and Beattie is not a great indicator in this respect.

He’s definitely worth a gamble as a last throw of the dice with a bonus for ensuring survival. He won’t be around for long enough to cost that much & he would only receive the incentive upon success which would benefit us & him. We have to try something before the season finishes to maximise our chances & BFS represents that on a short term basis.

A big fat no from me.

I don't actually think he could motivate the players following on from Dyche. The only way ( without a transfer window) to freshen things up is to get someone in who could inspire them to find that extra yard. With 7 games to go nothing can be done about fitness, personal, tactics to an extent and formation. It's purely about reinvigorating the players.