turns out CT was correct, head physio gone. 12 years of service to the club and booted out the backdoor without even a mention.... poor do is that

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:20 pm

turns out CT was correct, head physio gone. 12 years of service to the club and booted out the backdoor without even a mention.... poor do is that

Well if that is correct there may be something close to the mark coming from rumour control that Dyche and his back room team were lining up a gig elsewhere. No reason to fire the trusted physio otherwise.

Yes seems strange the physio is getting blamed for poor results.

Apparently that's at least 14 members of staff to have gone now since the takeover.
Plus retirements.

I thought the staff mostly remained and the new manager chose which ones to keep on. Duncan Ferguson at Everton is part of the furniture.

Yes. Becoming more likely that pace found out they had another job lined up, so he's sacked them, the goalkeeping coach and physio.

Some of those sacked pre-date Dyche don't they?

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:26 pm

Well if that is correct there may be something close to the mark coming from rumour control that Dyche and his back room team were lining up a gig elsewhere. No reason to fire the trusted physio otherwise.

If that’s the case, and I’ve no idea if it’s true or not. But the whole back room staff will have undone a near 10 year legacy that would have forever made them heroes.

What a mess. This is scorched earth. You don't sack the head physio for a results bounce. It's either lunacy from the owners, or a direct response to something more serious. But if it's a response to a Coyle-type situation you'd cut the head from the body and preserve what you can from the backroom staff, evaluating and addressing it in the summer. What use is there in sacking the head physio now and not in the June? Physios (and goalkeeping coaches while we're at it) don't have their heads turned in the way managers and players do. There's not the urgency in the line of physiotherapy in the way there is in management.

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:26 pm

Well if that is correct there may be something close to the mark coming from rumour control that Dyche and his back room team were lining up a gig elsewhere. No reason to fire the trusted physio otherwise.

Everton (cough cough)

2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:14 am

Yes. Becoming more likely that pace found out they had another job lined up, so he's sacked them, the goalkeeping coach and physio.

Some of those sacked pre-date Dyche don't they?

Beattie & Mercer for sure!

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:46 pm

I thought the staff mostly remained and the new manager chose which ones to keep on. Duncan Ferguson at Everton is part of the furniture.

Nobody dare fire him!

Ferguson is employed by the club, not by any of the managers and that's why he's never been potted with their managers.

That does happen from time to time at football clubs.

wow, can't possibly be because of results

Firing the Physio suggests more to come out in the wash.
Strange timing with so many being binned off at this time of the season , replacing very experienced staff with very inexperienced staff with 8 games remaining to give us a better chance of stopping up , something doesn't add up.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:53 am

Ferguson is employed by the club, not by any of the managers and that's why he's never been potted with their managers.

That does happen from time to time at football clubs.

What role is he in? strange the manager just has to put up with him.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:38 am

What a mess. This is scorched earth. You don't sack the head physio for a results bounce. It's either lunacy from the owners, or a direct response to something more serious. But if it's a response to a Coyle-type situation you'd cut the head from the body and preserve what you can from the backroom staff, evaluating and addressing it in the summer. What use is there in sacking the head physio now and not in the June? Physios (and goalkeeping coaches while we're at it) don't have their heads turned in the way managers and players do. There's not the urgency in the line of physiotherapy in the way there is in management.

with the timing and the fact we've sacked Mercer and Beattie I think it's evident something serious happened and this isn't just a results based decision. Maybe some of the fans need to lay off Pace until further details are potentially revealed.

Well we will have to see what comes out. If it is a kind of push before a jump to a rival then I am disappointed to say the least. To be fair if it was that I'm surprised they've not said that. Would take some of the heat off them surely (unless there's no proof)

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 2:02 am

Well we will have to see what comes out. If it is a kind of push before a jump to a rival then I am disappointed to say the least. To be fair if it was that I'm surprised they've not said that. Would take some of the heat off them surely (unless there's no proof)

wouldn't make sense to sack them - for them to jump ship would result in us receiving compensation. I fear there is far more to it than that

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:22 am

with the timing and the fact we've sacked Mercer and Beattie I think it's evident something serious happened and this isn't just a results based decision. Maybe some of the fans need to lay off Pace until further details are potentially revealed.

I'm not laying off the owners until we're debt free and commercially self sustainable. These people took that from us in a Faustian pact over which the fans had no say, done on an assumption that we'd move forward, not backward. And nothing whatsoever is "evident". The likeliest scenario is a wholesale regime change borne of panic in an attempt to assert a sense of control — a commonly seen business practice when companies come under new ownership. Fewer assumptions need to be made according to this interpretation. Scorched earth reconfiguration in response to the entire staff being tapped-up/transgressing standards of conduct en-masse? Unanimously? It's technically possible, but it seems illogical, and makes too many assumptions. I'm going to assume it's economics-driven panic until proven otherwise.

And all done with the knowledge (and backing) of Mike Garlick.

Assuming it’s economics driven, in what scenario would the club likely save a few Bob when all those appointments will need to be replaced? When you look at the money In football, we are talking pennies, so I reckon that’s out.

Dyche and his team found another job and moving en masse? Not having that either. Surely if we are skint and so desperate for cash we are letting the physio go, we’d wait for them all to leave so we don’t have to pay their contracts up, whilst looking for replacements now?

I don’t know what’s gone on, who said what and why certain things have been done a certain way, but one things for sure. No one else on here does yet either.

You’ll be happy that we’ve got a chairman who isn’t afraid to make big decisions and stick by his guns.

Brand Dyche drew a line in the sand and the chairman has gone scorched earth.

I back him and I back BFC.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 6:44 am

And all done with the knowledge (and backing) of Mike Garlick.

Assuming it’s economics driven, in what scenario would the club likely save a few Bob when all those appointments will need to be replaced? When you look at the money In football, we are talking pennies, so I reckon that’s out.

Dyche and his team found another job and moving en masse? Not having that either. Surely if we are skint and so desperate for cash we are letting the physio go, we’d wait for them all to leave so we don’t have to pay their contracts up, whilst looking for replacements now?

I don’t know what’s gone on, who said what and why certain things have been done a certain way, but one things for sure. No one else on here does yet either.

You can roughly read into what posts are allowed to stay and which are removed by the mods. That gives you a direction of thought!

Granted you have to wade through the board bully’s and loony’s to get a picture!

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 2:14 am

wouldn't make sense to sack them - for them to jump ship would result in us receiving compensation. I fear there is far more to it than that

Agree, it makes no sense in sacking people if the people already had another job lined up, you’d save yourself that expense & wait for the compensation when they did leave. It’s rubbish that he was preparing to leave he didn’t expect the sacking & had no intentions of leaving.

Another scenario could be, Pace had SD’s replacement lined up prior to sacking and he wants to bring his entire backroom staff with him, including physio.

But if the Everton rumour is true, wouldn't the Club report them to the PL for approaching Dyche without permission and get them sanctioned?

“ team Dyche” ie SD, Woan, Mercer et al were only ever gonna stay or go as a team . It’s pretty much the way it is in football , certainly when you’ve built and worked within that tight unit for so long .

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:00 am

Agree, it makes no sense in sacking people if the people already had another job lined up, you’d save yourself that expense & wait for the compensation when they did leave. It’s rubbish that he was preparing to leave he didn’t expect the sacking & had no intentions of leaving.

On the other hand, the way it usually works is that compo is only paid until they take another job so its only a couple of months wages it'll cost us.

If its true, it certainly couldn't wait until the end of the season - its Everton. The team that are we could catch if we can manage to put a performance in for just 50% of our remaining games. Would Dyche really want us to survive at their expense if he's off there?

I think the replacement will give us some clues too. Whether we take on a firefighter until the end of the season suggesting it was a reaction to something, or one for the future that gets a good look at the squad before a summer rebuild.

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:22 am

“ team Dyche” ie SD, Woan, Mercer et al were only ever gonna stay or go as a team . It’s pretty much the way it is in football , certainly when you’ve built and worked within that tight unit for so long .

It’s more Brand Dyche. He’s very protective of his image and he wants to be a big 6 manager one day, and then England manager.

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:26 pm

Well if that is correct there may be something close to the mark coming from rumour control that Dyche and his back room team were lining up a gig elsewhere. No reason to fire the trusted physio otherwise.

Except you don’t get compensation for sacked staff. It’s one of the weakest bits of info currently doing the rounds.

Either that, or the owners are even more clueless than first impressions.

Blakesboots wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:36 am

It’s more Brand Dyche. He’s very protective of his image and he wants to be a big 6 manager one day, and then England manager.

Ah, an ambitious manager….. good.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 6:44 am

And all done with the knowledge (and backing) of Mike Garlick.

Assuming it’s economics driven, in what scenario would the club likely save a few Bob when all those appointments will need to be replaced? When you look at the money In football, we are talking pennies, so I reckon that’s out.

Dyche and his team found another job and moving en masse? Not having that either. Surely if we are skint and so desperate for cash we are letting the physio go, we’d wait for them all to leave so we don’t have to pay their contracts up, whilst looking for replacements now?

I don’t know what’s gone on, who said what and why certain things have been done a certain way, but one things for sure. No one else on here does yet either.

How do you know it was done with MG’s backing ?

Blakesboots wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:36 am

It’s more Brand Dyche. He’s very protective of his image and he wants to be a big 6 manager one day, and then England manager.

There is absolutely no chance Dyche gets near a top 6 club. None what so ever. England I can see as he would suit the FA and he won’t be required conduct any transfer business.

dandeclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:43 am

Ah, an ambitious manager….. good.

He’s ambitious at a cost to BFC. Our chairman has put BFC at the top of the agenda and I’m fine with the actions taken.

Dyche wanted a move to escape the BFS image he was getting. Let’s be fair he’s been off the script for the last three years.

The way the club was bought wasn’t ideal, but I do feel this chairman has the best intentions for BFC now and in the future.

paulatky wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:02 am

How do you know it was done with MG’s backing ?

Because without it, it wouldn’t have gone ahead. He must’ve known how the deal was being financed, and he went along with it because it meant his own pockets were being filled.

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:03 am

There is absolutely no chance Dyche gets near a top 6 club. None what so ever. England I can see as he would suit the FA and he won’t be required conduct any transfer business.

I think Dyche is better thought of than we give credit. He has cultivated influential relationships with a number of top current and past managers over the years. He’s a bright man, and invested in himself.

Don’t be fooled, Dyche is pragmatic, he developed a system that worked for the tools he had. It’s gone stale because he couldn’t refresh the squad with the newer tools he wanted.

Ferguson was the same mold, although he had the backing and means to refresh and reinvent. The message stayed the same from start to finish.

He needs a job to help him springboard up the league (Everton/Aston Villa/Leicester) and then he will get a top six job.

He will be England Manger one day.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:07 am

Because without it, it wouldn’t have gone ahead. He must’ve known how the deal was being financed, and he went along with it because it meant his own pockets were being filled.

And rightly so. He made an investment that was very unlikely to pay off. No one saw us getting promoted and better staying there.

He is allowed to make money and get all he deserves for his family.

It's looking increasingly like the Dyche lovers will have to start thinking about their excuses.

Nonayforever wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:12 am

It's looking increasingly like the Dyche lovers will have to start thinking about their excuses.

As much as i would love that to be the case, got to wait until we know the full picture.

At the moment there's very little actual information regarding the sacking.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:07 am

Because without it, it wouldn’t have gone ahead. He must’ve known how the deal was being financed, and he went along with it because it meant his own pockets were being filled.

Ah sorry , thought you meant MG was aware of the sacking before it was announced

bumba wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:12 am

Everton are our competitors to go down, Dyche has agreed to join Everton, our performances have been awful...why?? Because he's setting us up to go down he won't want us to survive and Everton go down will he.
If pace waited for compensation we'd be in the championship, I hope to god now we survive and they go down and it back fires spectacularly on Dyche

We beat Everton.

Nonayforever wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:12 am

It's looking increasingly like the Dyche lovers will have to start thinking about their excuses.

Why?

Not saying he isn’t blakesboots. What I AM saying is that all these people slating the way the club has been bought and slating the people that bought it that way should also be looking at the person who sold it. We are repeatedly told ALK are so bad for the club, and MG was so good for the club, yet he sold out to them in the way he did all whilst KNOWING that it was bad for the club.

Blakesboots wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:03 am

He’s ambitious at a cost to BFC. Our chairman has put BFC at the top of the agenda and I’m fine with the actions taken.

Dyche wanted a move to escape the BFS image he was getting. Let’s be fair he’s been off the script for the last three years.

The way the club was bought wasn’t ideal, but I do feel this chairman has the best intentions for BFC now and in the future.

2nd to his own best interests.
Only came to the party as he thought he saw an opportunity for his own gravy chain.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:16 am

We beat Everton.

Just.

Bangers&Mash wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:17 am

Just.

The point still stands. I saw no evidence that we had been set up to lose that game. Did you?

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:17 am

Not saying he isn’t blakesboots. What I AM saying is that all these people slating the way the club has been bought and slating the people that bought it that way should also be looking at the person who sold it. We are repeatedly told ALK are so bad for the club, and MG was so good for the club, yet he sold out to them in the way he did all whilst KNOWING that it was bad for the club.

MG has been stated by many people on here.

Blakesboots wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:10 am

I think Dyche is better thought of than we give credit. He has cultivated influential relationships with a number of top current and past managers over the years. He’s a bright man, and invested in himself.

Don’t be fooled, Dyche is pragmatic, he developed a system that worked for the tools he had. It’s gone stale because he couldn’t refresh the squad with the newer tools he wanted.

Ferguson was the same mold, although he had the backing and means to refresh and reinvent. The message stayed the same from start to finish.

He needs a job to help him springboard up the league (Everton/Aston Villa/Leicester) and then he will get a top six job.

He will be England Manger one day.

I can see where you are coming from, however a couple of things stick out for me. If a bigger club was going to come in and get him surely it would have happened before now? there's been plenty over the past few seasons and Dyche hasnt been considered/targeted.

I can only see a club struggling to survive take a chance on Dyche or a large championship club looking for promotion. He would essentially need improve a clubs position and keep them there whilst playing more attractive football. Contacts and transfers also appear to be a big problem for Dyche. These are what a top 6 club look for. Whilst theres people like Rafa on the side lines waiting the Dyche will be overlooked.

My opinion of course. Where ever he does end up though i hope it ends in spectacular failure.

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:19 am

The point still stands. I saw no evidence that we had been set up to lose that game. Did you?

Clearly it was all part of his plan. If we got beat by Everton then it would have given it all away.

More realistically though, if this is all to be believed its probably started moving since the Everton match. Probably even since the Norwich match. Realistically would Dyche want to leave Premiership Burnley for Championship Everton? After last weekend the odds have gone much more in favour of Everton and their planning for next season will be taking that into account

taio wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:21 am

MG has been stated by many people on here.

I think that on the plans that were put forward it was a good deal. The pandemic has meant any funding/investment that was sought has come through and that’s just left us a little stagnant.

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:23 am

I can see where you are coming from, however a couple of things stick out for me. If a bigger club was going to come in and get him surely it would have happened before now? there's been plenty over the past few seasons and Dyche hasnt been considered/targeted.

I can only see a club struggling to survive take a chance on Dyche or a large championship club looking for promotion. He would essentially need improve a clubs position and keep them there whilst playing more attractive football. Contacts and transfers also appear to be a big problem for Dyche. These are what a top 6 club look for. Whilst theres people like Rafa on the side lines waiting the Dyche will be overlooked.

My opinion of course. Where ever he does end up though i hope it ends in spectacular failure.

I think his new contract was because there was a club that came in for him. I’m led to believe that clubs have come in for him (Villa) being one in recent years.

I can see a club like Southampton going for them. I can’t imagine their manager staying for too much longer