Lot of lazy journalism by the looks of it but Nixon has gone with the below:

Burnley are looking for a new super scout and have hired a top headhunting firm to find him.

Fulham looking at Dean Henderson but would like Pope on a cash deal.

Bardsley to Derby in the extremely unlikely event they stay up. (Corrected)

Dyche on the wanted list for West Brom and Stoke

Rooney to Burnley is that meant to read?

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:05 pm

Lot of lazy journalism by the looks of it but Nixon has gone with the below:

Burnley are looking for a new super scout and have hired a top headhunting firm to find him.

Fulham looking at Dean Henderson but would like Pope on a cash deal.

Rooney to Derby in the extremely unlikely event they stay up.

Dyche on the wanted list for West Brom and Stoke

Rooney to Derby? He’s behind the curve on that one

It should read if Derby survive Rooney wants to sign Phil Bardsley this summer.

claretburns wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:08 pm

It should read if Derby survive Rooney wants to sign Phil Bardsley this summer.

Corrected it now.

Stoke or West Brom the exact two clubs I’d think Dyche would suit / his level to go to

What’s the deal with the payout if he now walks into another job does he still get it?

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:11 pm

Stoke or West Brom the exact two clubs I’d think Dyche would suit / his level to go to

I thought he could walk into a Prem job?

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:12 pm

What’s the deal with the payout if he now walks into another job does he still get it?

Without knowing exact details of the arrangement, in most circumstances no.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:11 pm

Stoke or West Brom the exact two clubs I’d think Dyche would suit / his level to go to

Dyche is a Pulis type of manager so makes sense the likes of. stoke being interested.

Murger wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:13 pm

I thought he could walk into a Prem job?

He can if there is a club who wants him, or he can take another job that will lead him back into the PL and he's then back in a Prem job.

Either way he will end up in the PL, probably to the disappointment of some on here.

Surely after the last 18 months here,maybe Real Madrid, Barcelona,Bayern Munich,Dortmund,Ajax, would be interested in his services

Dyche for Blackburn.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:11 pm

Stoke or West Brom the exact two clubs I’d think Dyche would suit / his level to go to

Both would struggle to fund Dyche with transfers - particularly if the changes the EFL are looking to implement on financial regulation somehow squeeze through - and both would find it difficult to replace current managers immediately if they squeeze up via the playoffs

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:18 pm

He can if there is a club who wants him, or he can take another job that will lead him back into the PL and he's then back in a Prem job.

Either way he will end up in the PL, probably to the disappointment of some on here.

I’m not sure a lot of fans remember that SD did not come in and wave a magic wand. Burnley gave him the time he needed, it was part of the reason the bond grew so strong so quickly; would another club, possibly now given SD’s subsequent record with Burnley, but its not a given.

claretandbluesky wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:18 pm

Dyche for Blackburn.

The daily journey to work at the training ground from Whalley would be a rather pleasant drive.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:23 pm

I’m not sure a lot of fans remember that SD did not come in and wave a magic wand. Burnley gave him the time he needed, it was part of the reason the bond grew so strong so quickly; would another club, possibly now given SD’s subsequent record with Burnley, but its not a given.

He got promoted in his first full season. He was pretty much an immediate success and needed only one summer to get things amazingly right.

I also think Rooney is unlikely, but not impossible this week; I (along with football in general) was reasonably confident Derby would be relegated on Friday, they once again defied the odds, which I think means Rooney stays at Derby until they ARE potted.

I said straight away that Dyche would replace Bruce at West Brom

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:23 pm

I’m not sure a lot of fans remember that SD did not come in and wave a magic wand. Burnley gave him the time he needed, it was part of the reason the bond grew so strong so quickly; would another club, possibly now given SD’s subsequent record with Burnley, but its not a given.

We needed a reasonable amount of work however Howe had already had a good clear out and left good foundations, but in all fairness Dyche got us promoted in his first full season after spending basically naff all and then we bounced straight back up at the first attempt.
A club like WBA doesn't need as much work as we did when he took over here.

gc14 wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:33 pm

I said straight away that Dyche would replace Bruce at West Brom

I think Stoke would suit him better.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:23 pm

I’m not sure a lot of fans remember that SD did not come in and wave a magic wand. Burnley gave him the time he needed, it was part of the reason the bond grew so strong so quickly; would another club, possibly now given SD’s subsequent record with Burnley, but its not a given.

He needed literally one pre season to get it right. Pretty much waved a magic wand I would say given the inept performances at Palace and Cardiff before he started. He’s been waving the magic wand ever since pretty much given the discrepancy in finances against the teams he has competed with.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:35 pm

I think Stoke would suit him better.

I don't think there's much in it.
The owners at both clubs have deep pockets, they'd probably both be willing to dip into them to support Dyche.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:35 pm

I think Stoke would suit him better.

I think Bruce's contract is only till the end of the season, West Brom is closer to Northampton and i would
say have a better chance of promotion than Stoke ..

Nothing about him going to Everton then?

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:34 pm

We needed a reasonable amount of work however Howe had already had a good clear out and left good foundations, but in all fairness Dyche got us promoted in his first full season after spending basically naff all and then we bounced straight back up at the first attempt.
A club like WBA doesn't need as much work as we did when he took over here.

If you look at the accounts we spent over £3m that first promotion year on signings, most of it over the summer - as I have said quite a bit lately there are other costs besides transfer fees and sometimes they surprise you - I know this did for me when I was researching something else last week.

Dyche remains in talks with Burnley over contract settlement https://mol.im/a/10725035 via https://dailym.ai/android

Chester Perry wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:44 pm

If you look at the accounts we spent over £3m that first promotion year on signings, most of it over the summer - as I have said quite a bit lately there are other costs besides transfer fees and sometimes they surprise you - I know this did for me when I was researching something else last week.

Is that £3 million after the money we got for Austin?

I know we signed Barnes for £400k and there were agents/signing on fees for the lads we signed as free agents in the summer.

Wherever he goes he will play a better football style with better players

Or so he says

If he goes to stoke , would they still be our " feeder " club

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:35 pm

I think Stoke would suit him better.

At least at Stoke he wouldn’t need to buy any players their all already there

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:12 pm

What’s the deal with the payout if he now walks into another job does he still get it?

depends on the terms - there is press speculation that they are entitled to one years wages

It used to be that all the contract had to be paid up either immediately or over the life of the contract, canny clubs starting opting for the latter as they were allowed to deduct any new job income from that payment (think Joe Hart joining Burnley from Man City).

More recently after clubs like Chelsea have had to pay out monies approaching £100m down the years (Conte won multiple court cases against them) clubs have started negotiating for a shorter term but guaranteed sum - hence the 1 year story

It must be remembered that the severance negotiations are not just about Dyche, the back room team will be getting similar terms pro rata - in the same way they got the new contracts with Dyche.

Good gig if you can get it £6m to fail in your job , must be up there with bank executives pay offs.

I must say that the most astonishing thing in today's press is just how little there is about Friday's events and what led to them

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:00 pm

Good gig if you can get it £6m to fail in your job , must be up there with bank executives pay offs.

Do you think Dyche failed in his job?

Wherever SD goes, I don't think he'll be afforded the patience and control he's enjoyed at Burnley.

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:00 pm

Good gig if you can get it £6m to fail in your job , must be up there with bank executives pay offs.

but if you sign a contract to do a job, which incorporates a restriction on the freedom of movement, find the circumstances you are working in change through no fault of your own and additional constraints are added - then it can be seen as reasonable to expect the contract to be honoured. Dyche has Premier League terms, many others in football do not and the number of mangers who only get 1 or 2 chances is very high.

I suspect one of the key agenda items in the negotiations will be the relegation clauses in the contracts - assuming that they are still there in the new ones

Chester Perry wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:02 pm

I must say that the most astonishing thing in today's press is just how little there is about Friday's events and what led to them

Bank holiday weekend. All the sports journalists that aren't away on holiday were already allocated other responsibilities. Apart from us Burnley fans for most people "football club in relegation position fires manager" isn't a "big" story.

A win this afternoon.. that will be a bigger story. "Michael Jackson's Claret and Blue Army!"

Chester Perry wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:07 pm

but if you sign a contract to do a job, which incorporates a restriction on the freedom of movement, find the circumstances you are working in change through no fault of your own and additional constraints are added - then it can be seen as reasonable to expect the contract to be honoured. Dyche has Premier League terms, many others in football do not and the number of mangers who only get 1 or 2 chances is very high.

I suspect one of the key agenda items in the negotiations will be the relegation clauses in the contracts - assuming that they are still there in the new ones

Manager/coach contracts, just like all contracts will include terms that cover changes, whether these changes are introduced by new owners/board or the existing owners/board. That would be the case if there are "new constraints" or "new freedoms." Everyone, whoever they are, always has a "bigger boss."

My speculation is that Sean Dyche contract included a big bonus for retaining Premier League status and two levels of base pay. The higher level would apply to Premier League, the lower level, EFL. Bonuses would be determined by the position at the end of the season, regardless of whether manager was still employed at that time.

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Paul Waine wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:21 pm

Manager/coach contracts, just like all contracts will include terms that cover changes, whether these changes are introduced by new owners/board or the existing owners/board. That would be the case if there are "new constraints" or "new freedoms." Everyone, whoever they are, always has a "bigger boss."

My speculation is that Sean Dyche contract included a big bonus for retaining Premier League status and two levels of base pay. The higher level would apply to Premier League, the lower level, EFL. Bonuses would be determined by the position at the end of the season, regardless of whether manager was still employed at that time.

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yep, concur

are you still on the upward trend in your recovery from covid?

Dyche going to Everton in the summer seems the best explanation for the timing of his abrupt departure

Chester Perry wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:02 pm

I must say that the most astonishing thing in today's press is just how little there is about Friday's events and what led to them

Not really, Burnley aren't a big fish or going to have people hogging the TV channel waiting for news.

We will be forgotten about very quickly, within a day once we leave this league, and it'll be like we were never here.

If I were Everton I would take Dyche ASAP. If I were Burnley I would try to get Carrick who was unlucky at Man U and prob Phelan ( lives locally) with him. Sadly neither are Americans!!!!!

FCBurnley wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:57 pm

If I were Everton I would take Dyche ASAP. If I were Burnley I would try to get Carrick who was unlucky at Man U and prob Phelan ( lives locally) with him. Sadly neither are Americans!!!!!

Theirfans couldn’t stomach allardyce for more than six months , can’t see it.

Chester Perry wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:44 pm

If you look at the accounts we spent over £3m that first promotion year on signings, most of it over the summer - as I have said quite a bit lately there are other costs besides transfer fees and sometimes they surprise you - I know this did for me when I was researching something else last week.

A chunk of that would be the fee for Kightley which was payable on promotion. Maybe he had a loan fee as well.

Woonderbah wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 1:05 pm

Wherever SD goes, I don't think he'll be afforded the patience and control he's enjoyed at Burnley.

Too true, until last week he was accountable to no one in almost 10 years

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:05 pm

Lot of lazy journalism by the looks of it but Nixon has gone with the below:

Burnley are looking for a new super scout and have hired a top headhunting firm to find him.

Fulham looking at Dean Henderson but would like Pope on a cash deal.

Bardsley to Derby in the extremely unlikely event they stay up. (Corrected)

Dyche on the wanted list for West Brom and Stoke

Not too far to look: Steve Walsh, former chief scout at Chelsea, Newcastle United, Leicester City when they won the Premier League and Everton,lives in Chorley. He is currently Special Advisor at Charlotte F.C., North Carolina.

MT03ALG wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:30 pm

Not too far to look: Steve Walsh, former chief scout at Chelsea, Newcastle United, Leicester City when they won the Premier League and Everton,lives in Chorley. He is currently Special Advisor at Charlotte F.C., North Carolina.

Pretty sure it was him who found Mahrez and Kante from relative obscurity. Get him in

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:05 pm

Fulham looking at Dean Henderson but would like Pope on a cash deal.

Don't think there's any doubt Pope will be off if we go down, but he can do a hell of a sight better than Fulham,
who themselves will most likely come straight back down.

MT03ALG wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:30 pm

Not too far to look: Steve Walsh, former chief scout at Chelsea, Newcastle United, Leicester City when they won the Premier League and Everton,lives in Chorley. He is currently Special Advisor at Charlotte F.C., North Carolina.

Would be an excellent appointment