I love Burnley in the prem. I love seeing world class teams and players come to turf moor, and I love it when we (used to) beat them. I love the money and the stability it (did bring) brought.


However

Il be honest I love championship away games. I loved league 1 away games. Give me Colchester away any day over arsenal.


Am I mad? Probably. Drunk? Certainly

I used to love the Championship.

Me too, love the financial stability remaining in the Premier League brings, but much prefer going to (especially away) matches in the Championship.

Inchy wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:30 pm

I love Burnley in the prem. I love seeing world class teams and players come to turf moor, and I love it when we (used to) beat them. I love the money and the stability it (did bring) brought.


However

Il be honest I love championship away games. I loved league 1 away games. Give me Colchester away any day over arsenal.


Am I mad? Probably. Drunk? Certainly

My favourite ever night as a Burnley fan was the away end at The Madejski in 2009. However, to think that I have spent 6 consecutive seasons watching my football club punch above its' weight against the world's best footballers, is something I could only have dreamt of. I understand your sentiment however, that is to look through rose-tinted (perhaps beer-infused) glasses which it's easy to do. There is no doubt that seeing us lose 6-5 at Grimsby, or 5-0 at Oxford, even 5-0 and then 6-0 at home consecutively to both Gillingham and City respectively don't compare.

If we could guarantee fighting at the top of the Championship year after year then great. But with this lot and the new structure? I am seriously concerned about what the future holds.

The last two seasons in the Championship were great, however there were a lot of years of dross (except 08/09) before that. Give me any game in the Premier League over the 17(?) match run without a win under Cotterill and ‘throw one in’ performances under Stan.

Halcyon days. But every game you’re in the championship you’re striving to get back to the top table. We’re in a tough place atm.

Cheshireclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:46 pm

My favourite ever night as a Burnley fan was the away end at The Madejski in 2009. However, to think that I have spent 6 consecutive seasons watching my football club punch above its' weight against the world's best footballers, is something I could only have dreamt of. I understand your sentiment however, that is to look through rose-tinted (perhaps beer-infused) glasses which it's easy to do. There is no doubt that seeing us lose 6-5 at Grimsby, or 5-0 at Oxford, even 5-0 and then 6-0 at home consecutively to both Gillingham and City respectively don't compare.

If we could guarantee fighting at the top of the Championship year after year then great. But with this lot and the new structure? I am seriously concerned about what the future holds.

For a club like Burnley though, adversity brings the excitement. Relegation fights, promotion battles, derbys. That’s what we have. We are never going to fight for Europe every year, at best at this level we are going to be doing what we have done for the past few years, playing awful football which is good enough to upset the opposition and put enough points on the board to stay up. That’s fine and I’ve no crape with Dyche, i love the man, but I’d be lying if I’d say the uncertainty doesn’t hold some excitement

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:51 pm

Halcyon days. But every game you’re in the championship you’re striving to get back to the top table. We’re in a tough place atm.

Yes, and that's what makes it so good.

Cheshireclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:46 pm

My favourite ever night as a Burnley fan was the away end at The Madejski in 2009. However, to think that I have spent 6 consecutive seasons watching my football club punch above its' weight against the world's best footballers, is something I could only have dreamt of. I understand your sentiment however, that is to look through rose-tinted (perhaps beer-infused) glasses which it's easy to do. There is no doubt that seeing us lose 6-5 at Grimsby, or 5-0 at Oxford, even 5-0 and then 6-0 at home consecutively to both Gillingham and City respectively don't compare.

If we could guarantee fighting at the top of the Championship year after year then great. But with this lot and the new structure? I am seriously concerned about what the future holds.

I was at The Madjeski in 2009 - and at that 5-0 rout at Oxford. And I pretty much agree that there was more fun and excitement in The Championship.

martin_p wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:51 pm

The last two seasons in the Championship were great, however there were a lot of years of dross (except 08/09) before that. Give me any game in the Premier League over the 17(?) match run without a win under Cotterill and ‘throw one in’ performances under Stan.

18 , but still idolized by some on here

I think my last away championship match was Barnsley.
Pub on way there, chippy near the ground, loads of away fans - they just kept coming in - great goal from Barnsey, crap ground but full of atmosphere. Good days.

Have really enjoyed the seasons where we have struggled in the prem, the constant looking at other fixtures, the butterflies in the stomach watching the games knowing how important they are. Strangely the seasons where we have stayed up easily haven't seemed as interesting to me when other results don't matter and you are not constantly on tenterhooks.

If (and it's still an if) we go down then at least there won't be 10 games or so in the season where you pretty much know that usually the best you can get is a point from it.

Don't try and tell me playing at Barnsley or Colchester compares with a game at Anfield. (for example)

It doesn't.

Let's be the best we can.

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:12 pm

Don't try and tell me playing at Barnsley or Colchester compares with a game at Anfield. (for example)

It doesn't.

Let's be the best we can.

This

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:12 pm

Don't try and tell me playing at Barnsley or Colchester compares with a game at Anfield. (for example)

It doesn't.

Let's be the best we can.

Whilst totally getting that I'd say the PL is Ok if you are (or think you are) some kind of football expert. There are many who enjoy the Championship day out. Nothing wrong with that.
Let's face it, you can see the PL games any time you want.

Get us out of there.

We are so far off the pace it really must hurt the players.

Yes we dig in and fight, but the quality is obviously lacking, even the most simple of football tasks look.a struggle.

Geek fighting Burnley , but the focus snd plans really need to be aimed towards hitting the ground running in the championship come August

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:18 pm

Whilst totally getting that I'd say the PL is Ok if you are (or think you are) some kind of football expert. There are many who enjoy the Championship day out. Nothing wrong with that.
Let's face it, you can see the PL games any time you want.

Yeah but I have no interest other than a passing one watching others In the Prem.

It's watching my team there that .akes it interesting.

I really can't understand why enyone would prefer watching us in tha Championship. Last weeks game against Norwich would be one of the better games.

I wholeheartedly endorse electroclaret here.

joey13 wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:00 pm

18 , but still idolized by some on here

I don't think idolized is the correct word, he comes across as a good fella does SC, he did a very very good job to keep us in the division given the finances and mess he walked into. When he walked in we had something like 6 signed first team players. Signed some very good players with little to work with. The football wasn't the most pleasing on the eye and it ended poorly with the long winless run but there was a period in that run where he had to use Michael Duff as a striker.

The Championship and English football in general would be much better if tickets were priced to fill up stadiums, football in half empty stadiums isn't that great imo. Birmingham's stadium holds around 30,000 people yet they get 50% of that through the gates, soulless.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:30 am

The Championship and English football in general would be much better if tickets were priced to fill up stadiums, football in half empty stadiums isn't that great imo. Birmingham's stadium holds around 30,000 people yet they get 50% of that through the gates, soulless.

But charging less doesn't fill stadiums. We have tried it at Burnley. What fills stadiums in lower leagues is pushing for promotion

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:34 am

But charging less doesn't fill stadiums. We have tried it at Burnley. What fills stadiums in lower leagues is pushing for promotion

Why do German clubs fill stadiums though?

The Championship is great. But I’d like to hear from fans of Stoke, Hull, Reading etc as to whether they prefer being towards the bottom of the Premier League and losing to Chelsea, or being at the bottom of the Championship and losing to Peterborough.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:59 am

The Championship is great. But I’d like to hear from fans of Stoke, Hull, Reading etc as to whether they prefer being towards the bottom of the Premier League and losing to Chelsea, or being at the bottom of the Championship and losing to Peterborough.

Have a look on their forums then and find out for yourself rather than try to semi-rhetorically ask the question here.

addisclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:02 am

Have a look on their forums then and find out for yourself rather than try to semi-rhetorically ask the question here.

No thanks, got better things to do with my time. And I doubt that particular question is being discussed on their forums. I expect they would prefer to be battling relegation from the Premier League than the Championship though.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:35 am

Why do German clubs fill stadiums though?

Is Turf Moor in Germany?

MACCA wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:43 pm

Get us out of there.

We are so far off the pace it really must hurt the players.

Only until payday.

No doubt you would have better things to do. If you would like to hear from them then go ask them. It's not that difficult.

addisclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:13 am

No doubt you would have better things to do. If you would like to hear from them then go ask them. It's not that difficult.

Any particular reason why you’re being a dick?

yes, because it's you.

addisclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:16 am

yes, because it's you.

Cool. Enjoy your Easter holiday.

It's not a holiday for me, thankfully I am an atheist so no need to differentiate one day from the other. But thanks for the good vibes.

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:10 am

Is Turf Moor in Germany?

No but German clubs pack stadiums, why can't English clubs?

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:31 am

No but German clubs pack stadiums, why can't English clubs?

Because on average they have more disposable income?

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:31 am

No but German clubs pack stadiums, why can't English clubs?

Aren’t attendances in the PL higher than the Bundesliga? And don’t Championship attendances absolutely dwarf Bundesliga 2?

Don't answer a question with a question, just give figures.

addisclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:45 am

Don't answer a question with a question, just give figures.

I will do, as long as you promise to get a life. Deal?

Too late, I already have one. Any other deal to offer? (P.S. Don't bother trying to answer KRBFC's question).

addisclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:57 am

Too late, I already have one. Any other deal to offer? (P.S. Don't bother trying to answer KRBFC's question).

Go to sleep fella. Easter bank holiday is a bit too long for some. Sleep it off in the morning. Sweet dreams x

Still to answer the original question, try to bully then run away, normal for you.

addisclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:02 am

Still to answer the original question, try to bully then run away, normal for you.

Really not sure what your beef is, or why you’re spoiling for an argument. I believe the English leagues are better attended than the German leagues. But as I could only find statistics from 2018 which I’ve linked below, I was posing the question to KRBFC who may have contradictory and more current stats to share. Continue with your childlike behaviour by all means, but you’ll be the one cringing in the afternoon when you wake up with a headache.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42704713.amp

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:31 am

No but German clubs pack stadiums, why can't English clubs?

Tickets are cheap, packed standing terraces, great atmosphere, and last time I was at a Bundesliga game, good beer you could drink while watching. Oh, the football was ok as well.

RammyClaret61 wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:14 am

Tickets are cheap, packed standing terraces, great atmosphere, and last time I was at a Bundesliga game, good beer you could drink while watching. Oh, the football was ok as well.

Agree with everything you said. Starts with the pricing though, just looking at ticket price for Stoke v QPR, £33 for an adult ticket, £19 for an u18 ticket. Stoke have 4 games of the season left, they're 15th in the league so aren't going up or down. Daylight robbery prices for a meaningless match.

If tickets were highly demanded and like gold dust, huge demand, I'd understand the pricing a little but the stadium holds 30,000 people and their average home attendance this season has been 20,000. If it was a hugely important match and there was huge demand, fair enough but £33 an adult ticket for a meaningless end of season kick about is a joke.

Why would I wake up in the afternoon? Trying pathetically to insinuate something?

You're such a sad ****,

The longer you can stay up the better stead you'll be in the future. We've already seen that with the changes to our academy and training ground.

The longer you stay up the more you grow your fan base and reputation vis-a-vis you can attract better staff and players. Not only that, but playing at a higher level will mean you have the chance to develop better players too.

We'll always be Burnley fans no matter the division and of course games where you stand a good chance to win are more fun but I'll take struggling knowing it increases our prospects in the long term.

Championship football especially if we don't get promoted again in 1 or 2 years could really hurt us. It's just far better to stay in the league as long as possible if we can.

Watching football is about enjoyment for me. I've hardly enjoyed any of the last few years BUT we've pulled out some amazing results, mind blowing stuff considering our squad. I'd much rather stay in the PL and see if they can manufacture a good rebuild than drop and see us struggle to do one

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 1:06 am

No thanks, got better things to do with my time. And I doubt that particular question is being discussed on their forums. I expect they would prefer to be battling relegation from the Premier League than the Championship though.

It would but you would have to trawl through the oatcakes archives back to when pulis was about as an example, but that necessarily wouldn’t be a sure fire indicator because what 1 person might feel another might feel the opposite, it’s no different to here with some people saying the PL won’t be missed & bring on the championship & some people saying staying in the PL is the preferred option, you are looking for a consensus what doesn’t exist!

No nowt about German football but I bet there 3rd tier league clubs don't get crowds of 20,000 plus like Sunderland and Sheffield Wednesday do

It’s always most enjoyable when your side is playing good football and winning. That makes the Premier League experience slightly masochistic. Feeling your club is on the way up is when things get exciting. Always loved the time when Trevor Steven came on the scene and started making us tick, or when Ings and Vokes were looking world beaters.
Yes aiming for the top is what we should be doing, but watching the often unequal battles can become tiring.

It’s a sad indictment of the modern game when fans prefer not to play in the top division. How bad has football become for this to happen?

Claret wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:07 am

It’s a sad indictment of the modern game when fans prefer not to play in the top division. How bad has football become for this to happen?

It's a sad indictment of our supporters that so many would rather we play prettier football at a lower level, where the club's future was in doubt for much of the last 20+ years, than less attractive but effective football at the highest level.
It's even sadder that these same supporters often then accuse other people of lack of ambition for wanting grinding Premier League survival over flashy Championship unpredictability.