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Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:32 pm
by Milltown1882
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:41 pm
by spt_claret
Even if this fits with what I think/believe based on their actions and the club's changing fortunes/outlook over the past 18 months, unnamed anonymous sources are always to be taken with a pinch of salt.
I can believe it a damn sight more than the other rumours going round, but an anonymous claim in a tabloid isn't really any better than an anonymous claim on social media.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:42 pm
by Longsidelenny1882
Time to change the saying to in pace we trust utc
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:48 pm
by claretandy
The unnamed source could have been one of the fanboys on here...
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:50 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
From that article I can see a two things.
The owners had a clear out of non-football staff who weren't pulling up any trees, which is a view I've held for a while and expressed before because the club was lagging behind in various areas.
Dyche had become bigger than the club if staff were going to him instead of the owners for certain things.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:57 pm
by quoonbeatz
It's a bit OTT that mail article isn't it.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:59 pm
by Herts Clarets
"tension with the owners had been building throughout the season". A similar pattern to that we saw with the previous Chairman then...
The departures behind the scenes for me are irrelevant when the discussion is about the loss of our Manager. There have long been complaints about the website, online shop, ticketing sales, club shop, food and drink service in the concourses amongst a fairly long list. Maybe the new owners can see where the improvements are required and felt that the incumbents were not of sufficient ability or motivated enough to bring about the changes. People in a position for too long can become stale, something that Dyche himself has mentioned previously, when he said that people get tired of hearing the same voice. In their comfort zone to paraphrase a former striker of ours. Time will tell whether they have made the right call or not.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:01 pm
by bfcjg
TBH I dont think many people get Burnley.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:02 pm
by Lancasterclaret
Look, I'm all for loyalty and all that, but changing from a local owner wanting to run a local club, to an American consortium wanting to run a club in a league that has a huge global brand was always going to result in tensions
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:06 pm
by Penwortham_Claret
I wonder if this is one of the ex employees who were removed from the gravy train?
There’s nothing to see here
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:12 pm
by Chester Perry
There is an interesting dichotomy going on with that publication - we know that Jack Gaughan is a favoured mouthpiece yet we have had these stories about internal unrest and missed payments too - part of me feels that the negatives are being put out there in a controlled manner which is quite easy to bluster over - like the prepared statement from AP, MG and JB last time
maybe I am just getting too cynical
as for the link - now you understand why I transpose content into the thread post wherever possible - it was awful to scroll through
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:36 pm
by bf2k
I don't think many would argue that change was needed. Things had gone stale. However, this wasn't the time for change. That was in December or the end of the season.
Also, change can only take place with funds. You could argue Dyche was never given the funds required to push us forward. We had a good season finishing 7th. Another good season finishing 10th. That was the time to push us forward with better players but he was never given those better players due to the financial constraints place on him. So instead of saddling the club with debt from player recruitment who would have possibly had resale value, we're now saddled with debt from a buy-out which doesn't have a resale value.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:40 pm
by Zom Zom
I haven't read the article, but the claim that they 'dont get it' may be a quotation lifted from one of Tony Livesey's Facebook posts. He used those words on Friday.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:43 pm
by BurnleyPaul
Interesting article to say the least…
Definitely feels like it’s linked to somebody who has either left or is in the process of leaving. There’s a lot of mention of the changes to personnel, strategy etc off the pitch- almost like this source has an axe to grind.
I’m not so sure about their comment re: the previous board giving Dyche time to rebuild/regroup etc and bring us back up if we do go down- seems to be totally ignoring the poor relationship between Dyche and Garlicky which would have seen Dyche gone if Garlick hadn’t sold up.
Let’s be honest; a small northern working class town club which has always been run by local people for local people has been taken over by foreign investors with very different, very modern ways of doing things which are more akin to how other clubs do things. This has caused tension and will continue to cause tension for another couple of years- think of it as growing pains; perfectly normal and natural but also painful too.
We have to trust the board at this moment- as soon as they can say something they will do; I’d imagine that the current silence is related to the ongoing negotiations between the club and Dyche’s representatives (LMA?) over severance payments, NDA’s etc. We may not like being kept in the dark but we have to accept that *for now* there is no alternative.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:49 pm
by paulatky
CP do you think it’s possible that Dyche and his staff including Beattie were all on the same contract.
If Dyche went , then they all went.
Can’t see it myself but someone who is normally a very good source said that was the case !!!
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:02 pm
by Chester Perry
paulatky wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:49 pm
CP do you think it’s possible that Dyche and his staff including Beattie were all on the same contract.
If Dyche went , then they all went.
Can’t see it myself but someone who is normally a very good source said that was the case !!!
With the coaches I can see it and we have seen with foreign ones that would include physios and fitness trainers - hard to say really
It has been said already that most managers want to bring their whole team in, it costs a fortune and while it may help with the initial change in group think I do think that it removes the opportunity to develop more quickly - I have always preferred there to be challengers to ideas in my managerial past
It is the key weakness in SD's time here that he did not freshen up on the coaching side - much of his time here was an aping of the Sir Alex approach right down to operating more as a Sporting Director on non match days (crikey we are hearing SD sat in on board meetings under Garlick) - except for that - the key is that Fergie's greatest successes at Man Utd came when he freshened the thinking on the coaching side
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:02 pm
by Blakesboots
paulatky wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:49 pm
CP do you think it’s possible that Dyche and his staff including Beattie were all on the same contract.
If Dyche went , then they all went.
Can’t see it myself but someone who is normally a very good source said that was the case !!!
I cannot see the legality of a ‘grouped’ contract.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:24 pm
by tarkys_ears
Funny how all the media are experts on our club that they've never given a **** about before.
Same for all these neutrals coming out of the woodwork to say what a brilliant manager Dyche is. I wonder what they'd be saying if he was headed their way...
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:26 pm
by ClaretMov
Love the media, some spent a lot of the time calling dyche and his old fashioned 442 style of football then call the club for sacking him
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:27 pm
by Sleeping Cat
Interesting article.
I do feel that the removal of a lot of the employees was not past or present performance related, but just that they wanted their own people in to implement the ALK vision for BFC. Now, that's all well and good, but by removing a lot of these people from the club, many of whom were fans of the club, or lived locally, you start to strip away some identity of the club that made us what we are.
International commercial expansion, again yes a good thing in most respects, but by shunning local sponsors & pricing out local companies from opportunities to sponsor you lose some of that identity, people and companies who have supported the club for a long time. And it could all be for nowt if relegated, as international companies won't want to advertise with a team in the championship.
Revamp of the corporate facilities, very nice, but doubling the costs to bring them inline with other premier league clubs, we're a small town not a large city with a huge number of companies based there who can afford such a huge increase in prices, again pricing out local corporations in favour of those who can afford from further afield.
Silly things too, the removal of the legends posters on the outside of the stadiums, to paint the walls from claret to black, another small stripping of some identify.
ALK have homogenised a lot of the club, used a cut and ready template for other clubs and are following it ignoring characteristics that were already present at the club. The vision is right to progress off the field but they have gone about it in a way that affects the very essence of who we are as a club.
This is what's wrong with football at the top level, loss of identity, corporate whitewashing etc. it's why many people are moving away from it to watch smaller teams, (non league football booming). We were able to sit at the top table and still maintain our identity.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:29 pm
by dandeclaret
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:50 pm
From that article I can see a two things.
The owners had a clear out of non-football staff who weren't pulling up any trees, which is a view I've held for a while and expressed before because the club was lagging behind in various areas.
Dyche had become bigger than the club if staff were going to him instead of the owners for certain things.
That's a pretty one sided equation..... have they replaced them with staff who are doing better? Are ticket sales easier, are communications better, is the club shop in better order, does the club feel more, or less connected to the community>? Granted, we've upgraded the LED installer - he's doing a cracking job.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:41 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
dandeclaret wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:29 pm
That's a pretty one sided equation..... have they replaced them with staff who are doing better? Are ticket sales easier, are communications better, is the club shop in better order, does the club feel more, or less connected to the community>? Granted, we've upgraded the LED installer - he's doing a cracking job.
We've been behind in various areas for years, you know it.
I find ticket sales easier, I order online, I get an email with an e-ticket and off I go
The last game I attended, I purchased the ticket the night before, I didn't have to allow a week for delivery
To me that's a vast improvement, I don't think you can appreciate that if you're a ST holder, because I no longer need to plan weeks in advance, I can do it on a whim.
The social media side also appears to be getting better, it still needs to speed up, but I can see an improvement
I haven't ordered anything online at the club shop for a while, but when I ordered during the pandemic I got it within the advertised 10 days wait which I felt was reasonable.
As someone who's done e-commerce I do think they could do better with the range and stock levels but that should improve gradually.
I don't feel the need to have a chat with the club about anything, because as yet I've not had an issue so I'm unable to comment on that either.
Community aspect, it was bound to change due to new owners, but as I don't live in the area anymore I'm unable to tell you if it's changed for better or worse.
Advertisement - this has changed, we've shifted some of the local business sponsors to the matchday led at the end of the road, where it's more effective for them and means we can replace them within the ground work more national or international sponsors.
We look at things differently, that's always going to be the case, but it is true that if people sit in the same job for years with no real motivation to improve then standards slip or remain low.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:30 pm
by Elizabeth
The American owners clearly don't get the club as the OP claims. They are trying to re- invent our identity and it won't work.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:00 pm
by Blakesboots
Elizabeth wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:30 pm
The American owners clearly don't get the club as the OP claims. They are trying to re- invent our identity and it won't work.
I don’t think this is true at all.
Even if it is, Burnley in the context of the wider North West isn’t a premier town or destination. So does that mean that we should retain our identity and take up our place in league one?
I feel that we need to change to bring us in line and play by the rules of the league we’re in. You want a Premier League club, then you need to accept the necessary perceived evils that may bring along for the ride.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:22 pm
by FCBurnley
I made the reverse trip to Pace eg Burnley to Florida and I certainly don’t GET Americans So it would be zero surprise if Pace doesn’t get Burnley !! Been here 14 years and understand it less than I did when I came
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:28 pm
by CrosspoolClarets
Some inconvenient truths omitted from that article and that is something that makes me more inclined to give Pace the benefit of the doubt.
One truth is the fallout between Dyche and Garlick. We know 100% that was the case. That the previous owners would have been certain to trust Dyche to get us back up is far from guaranteed yet that is claimed as a big difference in the Americans.
The other truth is the lack of quality in some of the off field areas. We have whinged about much of it for many years. Ticketing was a shambles despite the noble efforts of some of the staff. The website was and is appalling. The scouting was rubbish. The stadium was never improved in the areas most of us sit. Some of these people were either underperforming or there was underinvestment.
It is highly likely Dyche had begun to believe his own hype and grown too big for his boots. Too many players like Wood were no longer busting a gut for him (we speculate on the ‘for him’ bit but he was responsible ultimately). The football was cautious and arguably threw away leads or didn’t take games on where we drew 0-0.
So rather that believe the stuff in the Mail I tend to think Pace lost his patience and is determined to improve things. Whether that will be done successfully - we’ll have to see.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:29 pm
by Elizabeth
Blakesboots wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:00 pm
I don’t think this is true at all.
Even if it is, Burnley in the context of the wider North West isn’t a premier town or destination. So does that mean that we should retain our identity and take up our place in league one?
I feel that we need to change to bring us in line and play by the rules of the league we’re in. You want a Premier League club, then you need to accept the necessary perceived evils that may bring along for the ride.
So our identity is league 1 , where have you been ?
Well is it true or isn't it ? You don't appear to know .
My response probably sounds harsh but it is clear what our club means to fans and it's not about what division we are in.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:34 pm
by Chester Perry
Blakesboots wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:00 pm
I don’t think this is true at all.
Even if it is, Burnley in the context of the wider North West isn’t a premier town or destination. So does that mean that we should retain our identity and take up our place in league one?
I feel that we need to change to bring us in line and play by the rules of the league we’re in. You want a Premier League club, then you need to accept the necessary perceived evils that may bring along for the ride.
Clubs like Burnley only survive in the top league by being disruptors of the norm - certainly not by playing by the rules of the leagues norms, you will just be devoured by by richer, bigger clubs doing that - If the people in ownership have not learned that simple lesson then we really are going to struggle
It is no coincidence, that our model stopped being as effective the moment that clubs with vastly deeper pockets started employing a similar approach to recruitment and deliberately raised price expectations in our well known hunting grounds. As for fertile overseas markets - are they really? given the level of competition we are seeing in them, at best we are picking up players in a combination of sellers need and our rivals having doubts about the individuals themselves - for all we appreciate the talents the concerns are there for people to see.
I was hoping that we would see some genuine disruption in the commercial arena under VSL - there is no sign of it yet - everything I am aware of is pretty much follow the leader standard fare - that will not give us the edge we/they need to boost revenues dramatically
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:35 pm
by Bosscat
Elizabeth wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:29 pm
So our identity is league 1 , where have you been ?
Well is it true or isn't it ? You don't appear to know .
My response probably sounds harsh but it is clear what our club means to fans and it's not about what division we are in.
Blakesboots has been on here since Saturday Elizabeth ... makes you think perhaps he is a stirrer of pots ... maybe his/her allegiances lie elsewhere
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:37 pm
by Elizabeth
I'll bear that in mind boss
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:42 pm
by claretandy
CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:28 pm
Some inconvenient truths omitted from that article and that is something that makes me more inclined to give Pace the benefit of the doubt.
One truth is the fallout between Dyche and Garlick. We know 100% that was the case. That the previous owners would have been certain to trust Dyche to get us back up is far from guaranteed yet that is claimed as a big difference in the Americans.
The other truth is the lack of quality in some of the off field areas. We have whinged about much of it for many years. Ticketing was a shambles despite the noble efforts of some of the staff. The website was and is appalling. The scouting was rubbish. The stadium was never improved in the areas most of us sit. Some of these people were either underperforming or there was underinvestment.
It is highly likely Dyche had begun to believe his own hype and grown too big for his boots. Too many players like Wood were no longer busting a gut for him (we speculate on the ‘for him’ bit but he was responsible ultimately). The football was cautious and arguably threw away leads or didn’t take games on where we drew 0-0.
So rather that believe the stuff in the Mail I tend to think Pace lost his patience and is determined to improve things. Whether that will be done successfully - we’ll have to see.
Agree with this from Andy Jones, the players tolerated his tactics/methods when we were getting results.
"Multiple sources have said they felt Dyche had lost the dressing room, not necessarily by doing anything bad but through a growing disconnect with some players and frustrations about a style of play that was no longer delivering positive results."
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:47 pm
by IanMcL
Sleeping Cat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:27 pm
Interesting article.
I do feel that the removal of a lot of the employees was not past or present performance related, but just that they wanted their own people in to implement the ALK vision for BFC. Now, that's all well and good, but by removing a lot of these people from the club, many of whom were fans of the club, or lived locally, you start to strip away some identity of the club that made us what we are.
International commercial expansion, again yes a good thing in most respects, but by shunning local sponsors & pricing out local companies from opportunities to sponsor you lose some of that identity, people and companies who have supported the club for a long time. And it could all be for nowt if relegated, as international companies won't want to advertise with a team in the championship.
Revamp of the corporate facilities, very nice, but doubling the costs to bring them inline with other premier league clubs, we're a small town not a large city with a huge number of companies based there who can afford such a huge increase in prices, again pricing out local corporations in favour of those who can afford from further afield.
Silly things too, the removal of the legends posters on the outside of the stadiums, to paint the walls from claret to black, another small stripping of some identify.
ALK have homogenised a lot of the club, used a cut and ready template for other clubs and are following it ignoring characteristics that were already present at the club. The vision is right to progress off the field but they have gone about it in a way that affects the very essence of who we are as a club.
This is what's wrong with football at the top level, loss of identity, corporate whitewashing etc. it's why many people are moving away from it to watch smaller teams, (non league football booming). We were able to sit at the top table and still maintain our identity.
Well said, Sleeping Cat.
Outward commercial funding sources are one thing, to rip apart the 'local' of Burnley is an absolute disgrace.
Burnley is a football town - one of the few originals. Burnley people will have to pick up the pieces.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:47 pm
by Elizabeth
If all this is true then we will see it on the field for the rest of the season. The feeling has been that too many players are not good enough and I think this is a fair assessment .
Wouldn't it be great if it was Dyche all along. That''s a difficult one to grasp considering all his excellent management over the years
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:52 pm
by Blakesboots
Elizabeth wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:29 pm
So our identity is league 1 , where have you been ?
Well is it true or isn't it ? You don't appear to know .
My response probably sounds harsh but it is clear what our club means to fans and it's not about what division we are in.
You’ve very much missed your own point.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:53 pm
by Blakesboots
Bosscat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:35 pm
Blakesboots has been on here since Saturday Elizabeth ... makes you think perhaps he is a stirrer of pots ... maybe his/her allegiances lie elsewhere
I forgot you all think I am Alan.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:00 pm
by Bosscat
Blakesboots wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:53 pm
I forgot you all think I am Alan.
Is Alan a Euphemism
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:19 pm
by Blakesboots
Bosscat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:00 pm
Is Alan a Euphemism
Good one
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:28 pm
by BabylonClaret
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:41 pm
We've been behind in various areas for years, you know it.
I order online, I get an email with an e-ticket and off I go
The last game I attended, I purchased the ticket the night before, I didn't have to allow a week for delivery
To me that's a vast improvement, I don't think you can appreciate that if you're a ST holder, because I no longer need to plan weeks in advance, I can do it on a whim.
Whilst I agree the eticket approach is definitely the way forward and a vast improvement I have ordered tickets on a whim before and simply picked up on the day. You had to get there in time to pick up tickets but you didn't HAVE to order a week in advance (which is a bit of an exaggeration anyway as tickets usually arrived within 1 or 2 days)
We look at things differently, that's always going to be the case, but it is true that if people sit in the same job for years with no real motivation to improve then standards slip or remain low.
I'm not sure that's true. Where's the evidence that people staying in a job need motivating? Many people continue to work hard in the same job. That view that people need motivating is kind of old fashioned. People work if they feel happy, if they feel they are appreciated and trusted, if they have a view that is listened to.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:54 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
BabylonClaret wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:28 pm
Whilst I agree the eticket approach is definitely the way forward and a vast improvement I have ordered tickets on a whim before and simply picked up on the day. You had to get there in time to pick up tickets but you didn't HAVE to order a week in advance (which is a bit of an exaggeration anyway as tickets usually arrived within 1 or 2 days)
I'm not sure that's true. Where's the evidence that people staying in a job need motivating? Many people continue to work hard in the same job. That view that people need motivating is kind of old fashioned. People work if they feel happy, if they feel they are appreciated and trusted, if they have a view that is listened to.
I prefer to be able to order on a whim and not have to collect from the ticket office, because I can't be bothered with the queue and people, plus there have been times I've got to the ground on or just after kick off due to traffic.
The week was if I had the tickets posted, that was the time it was best to allow for.
Yes there are people who've been in jobs for years and lack any real motivation and in many cases new ideas.
I've seen it loads of times in various places I've worked at.
People do need motivating, to get the best out of them, if they're allowed to just float along then not much will change, however some people just don't respond so that's when they need to be moved on.
I've had to do that before, it's just business and it's never been personal.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:07 pm
by claretandbluesky
Which club are we talking about, the great club of the past which brought players through on a conveyor belt
Or the pragmatic club of modern times built on a team ethic, tight knit endeavour and a fairly rigid system
Of course they’re going to bring American ideas some of which we may hate, some which will make us more efficient and inventive.
To pretend we are going to remain in some comfortable old place where time stood still is unrealistic.
The owners will find that some change is accepted some runs counter to our values and wishes.
It’s going to be a journey for all parties.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:52 pm
by BabylonClaret
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:54 pm
People do need motivating, to get the best out of them, if they're allowed to just float along then not much will change, however some people just don't respond so that's when they need to be moved on.
I've had to do that before, it's just business and it's never been personal.
Maybe they don't like working for you?
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:04 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
BabylonClaret wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:52 pm
Maybe they don't like working for you?
Not fussed if they did or not, I always expected their best.
If I didn't get it moved them on, I was there to improve the business, not molly coddle people.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:23 pm
by arise_sir_charge
Couple of things that have wound me up in recent days.
This talk of “the Burnley way” etc…..I was brought up on us having flying wingers, goal scorers and flair on the field. Mullen, Heath, Ternent being notable exponents of this. What we’ve seen was the Dyche way, not the Burnley way. It worked until fairly recently but I don’t see it as our identity.
Also, all this talk of Sean getting the fans and the town and stuff like that. I was never convinced he did to the level some people suggested: let’s be honest, he couldn’t even bring himself to go for a pint in a pub named in his honour.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:28 pm
by spt_claret
arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:23 pm
Couple of things that have wound me up in recent days.
This talk of “the Burnley way” etc…..I was brought up on us having flying wingers, goal scorers and flair on the field. Mullen, Heath, Ternent being notable exponents of this. What we’ve seen was the Dyche way, not the Burnley way. It worked until fairly recently but I don’t see it as our identity.
Also, all this talk of Sean getting the fans and the town and stuff like that. I was never convinced he did to the level some people suggested: let’s be honest, he couldn’t even bring himself to go for a pint in a pub named in his honour.
I'm sure if he had drank in a pub named after him that his perennial detractors would have called it egotistical & vain.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:33 pm
by deanothedino
dandeclaret wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:29 pm
That's a pretty one sided equation..... have they replaced them with staff who are doing better? Are ticket sales easier, are communications better, is the club shop in better order, does the club feel more, or less connected to the community>? Granted, we've upgraded the LED installer - he's doing a cracking job.
Well one would probably still be at the club if they didn’t hit reply all…
That guy they hired to sort the match day experience should be next out of the door.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:36 pm
by CharlieinNewMexico
arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:23 pm
Couple of things that have wound me up in recent days.
This talk of “the Burnley way” etc…..I was brought up on us having flying wingers, goal scorers and flair on the field. Mullen, Heath, Ternent being notable exponents of this. What we’ve seen was the Dyche way, not the Burnley way. It worked until fairly recently but I don’t see it as our identity.
Also, all this talk of Sean getting the fans and the town and stuff like that. I was never convinced he did to the level some people suggested: let’s be honest, he couldn’t even bring himself to go for a pint in a pub named in his honour.
Also, “at Turf”
On the Turf
On’t Turf
At the Turf
Never At Turf
Darren Bentley should have corrected him the first day he said that. Instead club officials changed to the way HE said it.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:51 pm
by Papabendi
Interesting coincidence that the lead up the clarets article on Dyche and the Mail article both seem to draw quite heavily on the Arsene Wenger analogy.
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:08 am
by Vegas Claret
Half the problems in the world are caused by people living in the past. History is just that and shouldn't dictate the future
Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:55 am
by Bangers&Mash
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Re: Burnley’s owners ‘don’t get the club’
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:11 am
by dandeclaret
arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:23 pm
Couple of things that have wound me up in recent days.
This talk of “the Burnley way” etc…..I was brought up on us having flying wingers, goal scorers and flair on the field. Mullen, Heath, Ternent being notable exponents of this. What we’ve seen was the Dyche way, not the Burnley way. It worked until fairly recently but I don’t see it as our identity.
Also, all this talk of Sean getting the fans and the town and stuff like that. I was never convinced he did to the level some people suggested: let’s be honest, he couldn’t even bring himself to go for a pint in a pub named in his honour.
I too was brought up on Mullen, Heath et Al. Where one sees flying wingers and goal scorers, another sees a big club bullying 4th division and 3rd division teams to promotion. It’s easier to have those things when your budget is bigger than most.
