There’s absolutely nothing wrong with a framework when it as enabling structure, giving shape and purpose to a teams play and for years it has been at the heart of SD’s success.
The players understood their roles, their limits and their responsibilities.

However when the framework becomes the be all then we have problems.

Technically more able, more adventurous players find it limiting and nullifying, creativity becomes suspicious, adventure irresponsibility. The joy is taken out of the game, the players become caged in a system, eventually boredom and resentment surface and are directed at those imposing this heavy yoke.

Now that might be exaggerating what happened but I believe SD didn’t take on board the more technically capable players he was recruiting and failed to adapt to the new situation.

Rather as results went against him he retreated into what had worked in the past rather than discover a new formula based on a greater set of resources.

It’s not as if SD couldn’t work with skilful players, Ings alone proved that but when things went wrong he all to quickly reverted to the tried and tested and now it had lost its charm.

Did you post previously under a different username, I feel like you’ve posted on here before

Sorry for being off topic, just curious

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:27 pm

Did you post previously under a different username, I feel like you’ve posted on here before

Sorry for being off topic, just curious

The OP once posted under the pseudonym Ablueclaret. A harmless sort but with some wacky suggestions on a drum that he banged away on ad infinitum.

I'm curious as to what led to such a prolonged absence from this board. Can you help us Ablue?

It’s absolutely ablueclaret- I must admit, I haven’t missed these yearning attempts to be profound.

ksrclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:31 pm

The OP once posted under the pseudonym Ablueclaret. A harmless sort but with some wacky suggestions on a drum that he banged away on ad infinitum.

I'm curious as to what led to such a prolonged absence from this board. Can you help us Ablue?

Thank you, couldn't quite place him

Ablue was suspected of growing hallucinogenics on his allotment.

Seems he may still be at it.

There's some truth in that i think. The problem this season is that we got off to a poor start and were struggling to hold onto points couple that with some early profligacy in chance conversion and that set us up for a bit of pressure.

Just as we started to look a bit more like our old selves (some decent away performances and some decent forward performances at home we didn't play for ages and have been playing catch up since- usually we've been above the bottom 3 staying out rather than trying to climb out there's a lot of pressure to get the results and again as we started ro do well we lost Mee which is a huge blow.

Not surprisingly that pressure affects players (and manager too I expect) - maybe now we can see a bit less nervousness and a bit more confidence our recent form is not bad

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:27 pm

Ablue was suspected of growing hallucinogenics on his allotment.

Seems he may still be at it.

Just shoved 5 ltrs of Ablue in my Car today

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 22, 2022 7:26 pm

Just shoved 5 ltrs of Ablue in my Car today

5 ltrs. That’s a hell of a lot Bosscat, you must drive a big posh car, I bet you’re a Jaguar driver.

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:31 pm

It’s absolutely ablueclaret- I must admit, I haven’t missed these yearning attempts to be profound.

Thanks for the information

Ah I missed you ablue. One of the more sophisticated trolls in a board riddled with amateurs.

To be fair not a bad metaphor whoever wrote it. Perhaps the framework would have continued to be effective if we had brought younger players into it. But the new owners rightly or wrongly brought in players who met their business model and who apparently SD would not adapt his framework to.

I think players can handle such a framework when everybody is on side with it. This season I have sensed a shift in it, the likes of McNeil being told by the manager that part of growing is having fans on his back. Admitting not knowing where certain players fit into the system but still playing them, headline makers like Wout and Cornet. The likes of Westwood becoming a target of boo boys would not sit well when he is doing as he told. Cork performing and dragging us back in with a chance then finding himself back on the bench.

I think when players who are doing their utmost and following a plan they are told to to then get grief for it, it must be frustrating as hell for them, especially as shown by last night, we can play football, they arent just a one trick pony, they arent lucky that they are in the top flight because of just Sean Dyche, they got there on talent, and work ethic, and values, which I think has been forgotten a little this season

beddie wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:28 pm

5 ltrs. That’s a hell of a lot Bosscat, you must drive a big posh car, I bet you’re a Jaguar driver.

"Technically more able, more adventurous players find it limiting and nullifying, creativity becomes suspicious, adventure irresponsibility. The joy is taken out of the game, the players become caged in a system, eventually boredom and resentment surface and are directed at those imposing this heavy yoke."

I agree with this and have been saying the same for years. We saw it with Defour; he was creatively adventurous and a joy to watch for the first month, and adapted to become a midfield workhorse with far less creativity, that caused him more injuries due to the high tempo.

Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:51 pm

I think players can handle such a framework when everybody is on side with it. This season I have sensed a shift in it, the likes of McNeil being told by the manager that part of growing is having fans on his back. Admitting not knowing where certain players fit into the system but still playing them, headline makers like Wout and Cornet. The likes of Westwood becoming a target of boo boys would not sit well when he is doing as he told. Cork performing and dragging us back in with a chance then finding himself back on the bench.

I think when players who are doing their utmost and following a plan they are told to to then get grief for it, it must be frustrating as hell for them, especially as shown by last night, we can play football, they arent just a one trick pony, they arent lucky that they are in the top flight because of just Sean Dyche, they got there on talent, and work ethic, and values, which I think has been forgotten a little this season

Great post Cleveleys