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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by IanMcL » Tue May 03, 2022 12:48 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon May 02, 2022 4:14 pm
the biggest problem here is if they don't ban him then they can't ban anyone in the future for lobbing one. All about precedent
Yes it is not really about smoke bombs, although they are dangerous. It is about OBHECTS being thrown, either way. A player sets an example. So must the FA. Immediate suspension. Club fine also possible.
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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by Buxtonclaret » Tue May 03, 2022 1:29 pm

longside72 wrote:
Mon May 02, 2022 3:31 pm
Its called Passion !!
Or crass stupidity, depending on your politics.

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by IanMcL » Tue May 03, 2022 1:36 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 12:48 pm
It is about OBHECTS being thrown.
OBJECTS OBJECTS OBJECTS

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by matucana » Tue May 03, 2022 2:13 pm

Nothing will happen that could have a detrimental effect on their run in. Wrap on the knuckles and a small fine that would sit nicely alongside their £373 million losses over the last three seasons that the PL are working with them to address this unfortunate situation as a founder member instead of imposing strong penalties.
If they were to be relegated both Sky and the PL would be in meltdown at the loss of two Merseyside derbies that are so lucrative in advertising sales and betting in the far East. This is why I do not think their relegation will happen. All stops will be pulled out to ensure their safety.
Leeds now being referred to as another big club that should not be relegated by many. Look at the number of times they have been on TV. In the Championship promotion season the coverage was quite exceptional. I am fearing the worst that sympathetic support could be directed their way by whatever means. It will be interesting to see who the refereeing appointments are in the final run in particularly as several referees on the current list are retiring.
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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by Zlatan » Tue May 03, 2022 3:32 pm

matucana wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 2:13 pm
Nothing will happen that could have a detrimental effect on their run in. Wrap on the knuckles and a small fine that would sit nicely alongside their £373 million losses over the last three seasons that the PL are working with them to address this unfortunate situation as a founder member instead of imposing strong penalties.
If they were to be relegated both Sky and the PL would be in meltdown at the loss of two Merseyside derbies that are so lucrative in advertising sales and betting in the far East. This is why I do not think their relegation will happen. All stops will be pulled out to ensure their safety.
Leeds now being referred to as another big club that should not be relegated by many. Look at the number of times they have been on TV. In the Championship promotion season the coverage was quite exceptional. I am fearing the worst that sympathetic support could be directed their way by whatever means. It will be interesting to see who the refereeing appointments are in the final run in particularly as several referees on the current list are retiring.
You have a valid point, I’m expecting collusion of a monumental scale to make sure it is us who drop
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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by 1HappyClaret » Tue May 03, 2022 5:23 pm

FA will now not investigate until the Police have concluded theirs which means no ban this season.

Why am I not surprised

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue May 03, 2022 5:49 pm

1HappyClaret wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 5:23 pm
FA will now not investigate until the Police have concluded theirs which means no ban this season.

Why am I not surprised
Police have just issued a statement saying that they will not investigate until Sue Gray completes her investigation and releases her report.
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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by Andreshotboots » Tue May 03, 2022 6:02 pm

Richarlison could kick the ref in the ******** and not get a ban the way he's going. Kicks a player at Anfield, no red and resulting ban, throws a flare that would result in us mere mortals more than likely in prison, let alone banned from a football ground..nothing.
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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by IanMcL » Wed May 04, 2022 2:43 pm

Merseyside police hardly going to pull up any trees.

FA could be accused of corruption, if anyone was inclined. It is definitely Burnley against the establishment here.

Our team deserve only the very best support we can give them.

Up the Clarets.
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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by IanMcL » Wed May 04, 2022 2:44 pm

Beware referees and VAR for the rest of the season.

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by fidelcastro » Wed May 04, 2022 3:10 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Wed May 04, 2022 2:44 pm
Beware referees and VAR for the rest of the season.
Please stop posting such utter crap.

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by bfcjg » Fri May 06, 2022 7:49 pm

The silence is deafening.

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by NewClaret » Fri May 06, 2022 8:02 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Fri May 06, 2022 7:49 pm
The silence is deafening.
Will get let off because he’s an Everton player.

If JRod did it he’d get a 10 game ban.

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by IanMcL » Fri May 06, 2022 10:15 pm

These things are sorted a few days after the incident, by the FA....unless the big team need their man, of course!
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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by claretblue » Wed May 11, 2022 10:08 pm

when is this going to be determined?

…close season? :roll:

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by NewClaret » Wed May 11, 2022 10:10 pm

As I understand, police are investigating, so FA “paused” their investigation. Like the local police are incentivised to conclude that investigation promptly!!

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by Burnley Ace » Wed May 11, 2022 10:44 pm

What are they actually investigating?

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by IanMcL » Wed May 11, 2022 11:18 pm

Exactly!
Merseyside police for gawds sake!
Prem stinks.

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by NRC » Thu May 12, 2022 11:46 am

Love how Richarlison jogged two Watford players off the pitch for their substitutions. I’d have given him a Will Smith slap if that was me

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by elwaclaret » Thu May 12, 2022 12:30 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 10:44 pm
What are they actually investigating?
How best to not get him suspended for the remaining games, mostly.
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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by Commy » Thu May 12, 2022 12:58 pm

NRC wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 11:46 am
Love how Richarlison jogged two Watford players off the pitch for their substitutions. I’d have given him a Will Smith slap if that was me
I would have gone down like I had been shot, rolling round and holding my face. :D

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by AlargeClaret » Thu May 12, 2022 1:11 pm

Bearing in mind these are hand held 100% legal coloured powder “ flares” that are far safer than a turf moor bovril. He picked it up in a moment of celebration and lobbed it back , he’s Brazilian ffs .

Always cracks me up how the cameras adore these big euro nights and flares ( legal and otherwise )belching out fire and smoke to show the total passion of the fans . Yet in reality the health and safety lot literally sh1t themselves after a bit of Smokey paint .

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu May 12, 2022 1:11 pm

He's a bloody good player, and probably the main reason why Everton look odds on to stay up

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by claretblue » Thu May 12, 2022 1:17 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:11 pm
He picked it up in a moment of celebration and lobbed it back
Everton stated he threw it out of the stadium for safety reasons…very public spirited of him! :?

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by IanMcL » Thu May 12, 2022 1:42 pm

The facts are that he was not actually looking as to where it would land and it passed over many heads, on its journey.

The ban should be in operation, already.

Corrupt prem
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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by dsr » Thu May 12, 2022 2:52 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:11 pm
Bearing in mind these are hand held 100% legal coloured powder “ flares” that are far safer than a turf moor bovril. He picked it up in a moment of celebration and lobbed it back , he’s Brazilian ffs .

Always cracks me up how the cameras adore these big euro nights and flares ( legal and otherwise )belching out fire and smoke to show the total passion of the fans . Yet in reality the health and safety lot literally sh1t themselves after a bit of Smokey paint .
It may not be a criminal offence to possess these flares, but in certain circumstances throwing them is a criminal offence, and in all circumstances it is against FA/PL rules to throw objects from the crowd to the pitch, from the pitch to the crowd, or within the crowd. I think the blanket ban on all objects is so that evil-minded people can't sneak in amongst the moronic and throw their dangerous objects with the harmful ones.

And the suggestion that Brazilians can't be expected to follow normal rules? Surely untrue, and certainly inappropriate in today's society, to suggest that certain races don't know how to behave?

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by Jimmymaccer » Thu May 12, 2022 2:57 pm

And to think poor old Drogba got punished for re-donating a £1 coin to our lot…..

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by AlargeClaret » Thu May 12, 2022 7:31 pm

dsr wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 2:52 pm
It may not be a criminal offence to possess these flares, but in certain circumstances throwing them is a criminal offence, and in all circumstances it is against FA/PL rules to throw objects from the crowd to the pitch, from the pitch to the crowd, or within the crowd. I think the blanket ban on all objects is so that evil-minded people can't sneak in amongst the moronic and throw their dangerous objects with the harmful ones.

And the suggestion that Brazilians can't be expected to follow normal rules? Surely untrue, and certainly inappropriate in today's society, to suggest that certain races don't know how to behave?
Get a grip you soppy tart.

Of course it’s illegal in Uk grounds and rightly so imo
Though there was zero intent on his part .

And yes it stinks that Merseyside police have overidden the fa here .

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by AlargeClaret » Thu May 12, 2022 7:32 pm

claretblue wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:17 pm
Everton stated he threw it out of the stadium for safety reasons…very public spirited of him! :?
:lol: Please tell me that’s true ?

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by Leisure » Thu May 12, 2022 7:59 pm

claretblue wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:17 pm
Everton stated he threw it out of the stadium for safety reasons…very public spirited of him! :?
Hope there was no-one innocently walking outside the ground when the flare landed!

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by IanMcL » Thu May 12, 2022 8:04 pm

Jimmymaccer wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 2:57 pm
And to think poor old Drogba got punished for re-donating a £1 coin to our lot…..
Exactly. In no time and others before and since.

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Thu May 12, 2022 8:09 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:11 pm
Bearing in mind these are hand held 100% legal coloured powder “ flares” that are far safer than a turf moor bovril. He picked it up in a moment of celebration and lobbed it back , he’s Brazilian ffs .

Always cracks me up how the cameras adore these big euro nights and flares ( legal and otherwise )belching out fire and smoke to show the total passion of the fans . Yet in reality the health and safety lot literally sh1t themselves after a bit of Smokey paint .
How safe they are isn’t relevant, the Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc.) Act 1985 does not distinguish between a smoke flare and any other firework, people are punished similarly for all types.

Thus throwing an item over the heads of supporters, even into a mainly empty area (but not completely empty, fans could be seem swarming over it during the goal), is a serious offence, in the eyes of the law let alone in the eyes of the FA.

So anything by the police or by the FA which doesn’t punish this promptly and allows future fixtures to pass, is extremely dodgy looking, and I choose my words very carefully.

I write this while another goes off at Spurs, hence why it should be stamped out hard.

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by bobinho » Thu May 12, 2022 8:22 pm

By all means you choose your words carefully Crosspool....

I'll just call it out for what it is. Bent.

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by tiger76 » Thu May 12, 2022 8:24 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 8:09 pm
How safe they are isn’t relevant, the Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc.) Act 1985 does not distinguish between a smoke flare and any other firework, people are punished similarly for all types.

Thus throwing an item over the heads of supporters, even into a mainly empty area (but not completely empty, fans could be seem swarming over it during the goal), is a serious offence, in the eyes of the law let alone in the eyes of the FA.

So anything by the police or by the FA which doesn’t punish this promptly and allows future fixtures to pass, is extremely dodgy looking, and I choose my words very carefully.

I write this while another goes off at Spurs, hence why it should be stamped out hard.
Totally agree these flares/pryro's need sorting out, but as often happens in these circumstances action will only be taken if or when somebody suffers a serious injury, and by then it'll be too late for that person.

How are the authorities supposed to get their message across to fans when players can't refrain themselves from flinging objects into the stands.
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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Fri May 13, 2022 9:03 am

There is a growing trend in our country, which I do not like. It starts with the Prime Minster and permeates through society downwards.

Politicians, companies and employees used to act with honour and integrity.
Somebody subject to a Police investigation used to resign, be suspended by his employer pending the outcome of the investigation or be sacked.
Sadly this seems to have gone.

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri May 13, 2022 9:07 am

be honest here, would you give a s**t if they weren't our relegation rivals?

Of course you wouldn't

I miss when people were honest actually

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by bobinho » Fri May 13, 2022 9:16 am

Of course not. But why would he have to? It’s not about him being honest or not… he’s a Burnley fan and this directly affects us. Why wouldn’t he have a biased opinion about this? I’d question the support of anyone who DIDNT have that biased opinion.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

If Everton weren’t involved in this relegation battle, do you think they’d be quiet about the police involvement? They’d be screaming about it. But they aren’t, because it suits them right now.

As I said, it absolutely reeks.

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by claptrappers_union » Fri May 13, 2022 9:27 am

Just a question about there’s flares / smoke canisters - are they actually hot? I’ve never held or been near one.

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by Devils_Advocate » Fri May 13, 2022 9:32 am

Questioning someone's support for their football team because they have the ability to look at something objectively 😂😂😂

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Fri May 13, 2022 11:03 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 9:07 am
be honest here, would you give a s**t if they weren't our relegation rivals?

Of course you wouldn't

I miss when people were honest actually
I've missed this, who is not being honest?

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Fri May 13, 2022 11:08 am

claptrappers_union wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 9:27 am
Just a question about there’s flares / smoke canisters - are they actually hot? I’ve never held or been near one.
They can be very hot yes, not just the flares but the smoke canisters too. They can also cause severe asthma attacks.

Somebody close to me was badly hurt by a firework once so I tend to not want this stuff anywhere near a football ground.

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Fri May 13, 2022 11:19 am

It's not just asthma either. There are many respiratory diseases affected by smoke.
Emphysema, COPD, long covid, lung cancer....need I go on?

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by claretblue » Fri May 13, 2022 11:26 am

AlargeClaret wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 7:32 pm
:lol: Please tell me that’s true ?
Everton said: "We will look into the matter. As far we we are concerned, Richarlison was attempting to throw it out of the ground."

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by tiger76 » Fri May 13, 2022 1:23 pm

claretblue wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 11:26 am
Everton said: "We will look into the matter. As far we we are concerned, Richarlison was attempting to throw it out of the ground."
Whether he was or not isn't really the issue is it, surely removing objects from the playing surface is a steward's job, not for the players to simply lob items anywhere they deem fit.

Now as to why the flare was there in the first place that's an entirely different matter, but again falls on Everton as the host club to deal with any such incidents, particularly from their own fans.

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by bfcjg » Fri May 13, 2022 1:27 pm

If a supporter picked one up that landed near him, waved it around then attempted to throw it out of the ground that supporter would be arrested..

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri May 13, 2022 1:52 pm

2 Bee Holed wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 11:03 am
I've missed this, who is not being honest?
Those that are pretending that they want him banned because of some HSE violation, rather than just admitting that they want him banned because it would cause Everton huge problems with three games left

I'm honest enough to stick myself in the 2nd camp

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by AwayClaret » Fri May 13, 2022 2:16 pm

The way he threw it with, I'm not even sure if he was facing the way he threw it (memory), there's no way he was doing what Everton are trying to dress it up as. His body language says different. He was extremely neglectful. Regardless of who he is and who he plays for he should be disciplined the season he has done it in. He won't be though. If this was Joe Bloggs on the street it would be sorted out by now with at least a fine.

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by dsr » Fri May 13, 2022 2:43 pm

2 Bee Holed wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 9:03 am
There is a growing trend in our country, which I do not like. It starts with the Prime Minster and permeates through society downwards.

Politicians, companies and employees used to act with honour and integrity.
Somebody subject to a Police investigation used to resign, be suspended by his employer pending the outcome of the investigation or be sacked.
Sadly this seems to have gone.
[sorry, political]

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Fri May 13, 2022 2:45 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 1:52 pm
Those that are pretending that they want him banned because of some HSE violation, rather than just admitting that they want him banned because it would cause Everton huge problems with three games left

I'm honest enough to stick myself in the 2nd camp
I see.
Does it have to be so polar, so black & white?

Could it not be that some people want him punished for his stupidity, but if they did ban him then that should also benefit Burnley. I think I am in this category, I e. a foot in each camp. I quite often see things from both sides, I see the grey. I am a moderate, it's rare I see things in black and white.
I do apologise, if I am not sufficiently polar for you.

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Re: Richarlison flare thrower

Post by ecc » Fri May 13, 2022 3:01 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 9:07 am
be honest here, would you give a s**t if they weren't our relegation rivals?

Of course you wouldn't

I miss when people were honest actually
Pure coincidence, Lancaster.

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