• Cornet

Posted: **Sat May 07, 2022 9:48 pm**

Don't understand why, if he was not fit to start and not brought on at Ht when we were only 2 down, he was then sent on when the game was gone???

Posted: **Sat May 07, 2022 9:49 pm**

March fitness?

Posted: **Sat May 07, 2022 9:49 pm**

Presume he was sent on as a fitness exercise.

Posted: **Sat May 07, 2022 9:51 pm**

Iloveyoubrady wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 9:49 pm
Presume he was sent on as a fitness exercise.

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But why risk him???

Posted: **Sat May 07, 2022 9:52 pm**

Completely agree and thought that at the time. It was a mistake not bringing him on at HT. I hope our fans now realise how important his presence is in our starting 11 and stop with the weird ‘where does Cornet fit in’ threads after he goes a game without scoring.

Posted: **Sat May 07, 2022 9:57 pm**

Leisure wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 9:51 pm
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But why risk him???

For 25 minutes with the instructions to take it easy and build up fitness. Why not. Did well getting a goal and will have confidence for the coming important games.

Posted: **Sat May 07, 2022 9:59 pm**

Iloveyoubrady wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 9:57 pm
For 25 minutes with the instructions to take it easy and build up fitness. Why not. Did well getting a goal and will have confidence for the coming important games.

But was it worth the risk that he might do more damage for little gain?

Posted: **Sat May 07, 2022 10:02 pm**

Not sure. But it makes me wonder why some of our players don’t look at his goal return and think, you know what - maybe just this once I’ll try and make a run in behind.

Posted: **Sat May 07, 2022 10:04 pm**

Leisure wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 9:59 pm
But was it worth the risk that he might do more damage for little gain?

if we stay up by 1 goal you'll have your answer !!

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 12:39 am**

Leisure wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 9:48 pm
Don't understand why, if he was not fit to start and not brought on at Ht when we were only 2 down, he was then sent on when the game was gone???

'only two goals down'

Personally, the game was beyond us at that stage. It's been a very big 'ask' to even get us into a position of contention, especially after the debacle at Norwich. The manager alluded to 10 points gained from 5 games on the way home on the radio and there is no disputing that that is an excellent return. However, it has left us just clinging on to some sort of hope but the lack of 'bodies' available has really hit home in the last seven days and I fear that is what is going to cost us in the end. The supporters did their best today, though a little subdued obviously and the players tried very hard but to try and turn round the numbing reality that existed after Norwich into a momentous charge for survival with a depleted squad was always going to test the credentials of all those people in a position to affect the outcome. My daughter thought the early goal conceded was a major factor today; I think the awareness of so many players unavailable took its toll.

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 10:14 am**

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 12:39 am
'only two goals down'

Personally, the game was beyond us at that stage. It's been a very big 'ask' to even get us into a position of contention, especially after the debacle at Norwich. The manager alluded to 10 points gained from 5 games on the way home on the radio and there is no disputing that that is an excellent return. However, it has left us just clinging on to some sort of hope but the lack of 'bodies' available has really hit home in the last seven days and I fear that is what is going to cost us in the end. The supporters did their best today, though a little subdued obviously and the players tried very hard but to try and turn round the numbing reality that existed after Norwich into a momentous charge for survival with a depleted squad was always going to test the credentials of all those people in a position to affect the outcome. My daughter thought the early goal conceded was a major factor today; I think the awareness of so many players unavailable took its toll.

Not sure just what point you're making by 'only two goals down'??

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 10:20 am**

We’ll know by next weekend if that goal is likely to be relevant. Basically if Everton mess up one home game it could be.

As for Cornet in general, absolutely vital. He plays from the start, we could have won that game. Won’t do it in every game, but offers a different threat. May have pinned back the full back too. If he starts at Villa Park and against Newcastle I’d say we have a good chance.

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 10:22 am**

He's class. Don't think he's been one hundred percent for a few months perhaps but he's easily one of our best players.

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 10:23 am**

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat May 07, 2022 10:02 pm
Not sure. But it makes me wonder why some of our players don’t look at his goal return and think, you know what - maybe just this once I’ll try and make a run in behind.

Couldn’t agree more. Although few have the pace to make and sustain that run.

But I lost count of the number of times first half that Dwight might’ve tried to get in behind but held back. Very frustrating and I can only imagine it’s because he won’t cross with his right. Need to swap Lennon and Dwight for me, at least in periods.

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 10:51 am**

Pickles wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 10:22 am
He's class. Don't think he's been one hundred percent for a few months perhaps but he's easily one of our best players.

For all his faults of sometimes being defensively unstable and switching off, he is our best attacking player for years. He can create something out of nothing as well as having great movement to get into goal scoring positions.

Has an ego of sorts but he seems a nice bloke who the other lads all like and appreciate having around. I think he just loves being appreciated by the fans as Lyon fans never gave him any real support.

We will either make a good amount of money on him, or he’ll tear up the championship if we go down. Will be important for the rest of the season as well.

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 11:22 am**

Leisure wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 10:14 am
Not sure just what point you're making by 'only two goals down'??

Your reference to 'only two goals down' suggested it wasn't an insurmountable lead. Of course it could have been worse but with a side depleted through injuries I couldn't see any way we were going to affect that scoreline positively. I'm not looking for an argument but merely pointing out that yesterday's game was probably one too many for a squad that have responded magnificently to Dyche's departure. Can we rally again? Well, I think that will be determined by the results this week of the other clubs around us.

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 11:28 am**

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 11:22 am

I think had we scored that McNeil chance just before the break we would have gone into the second half with our tails up and would have stood every chance of rescuing a point.

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 11:41 am**

If fit he has to start in our last 2 games anyway, Spurs might require a more pragmatic approach, so he may fins himself coming off the bench there.

He can be hit and miss, but he along with maybe Dwight is someone who can make things happen, and both will be vital in the final few games.

One upside to come out of yesterday was Cornet bagging that late consolation, helps our GD slightly, and hopefully gets his confidence back again.

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 12:39 pm**

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 11:22 am

I was meaning that we didn't bring him on when we were 2 behind and not looking like pulling the game back and yet we risked him when we were 3 down.

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 12:53 pm**

Leisure wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 12:39 pm
I was meaning that we didn't bring him on when we were 2 behind and not looking like pulling the game back and yet we risked him when we were 3 down.

Phew, thought that’s what you meant.

As I have said, a really frustrating decision not to change things at HT or before. A sub before HT would’ve sent a real message to fans. I’d have brought him on for Barnes (nothing about his performance, just that we needed extra pace up top) and to be honest I’d expect he’d have taken up a better position than Barnes did on Dwight’s shot, then you go in to HT bouncing and Villa nervy.

Can’t recall when we last saw an unenforced substitution before HT and I do understand they’re extremely rare generally, but that’s the kind of bravery and conviction I think we need now in our position.

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 1:02 pm**

He has a very pleasant nature about him from what I have seen. Very playful/laid back/care free type attitude and I can imagine him being someone great to have around.

Where as you sense with some players (not at Burnley even) where it’s all about them even when they are saying it’s a team game.

He’s a breath of fresh air

Posted: **Sun May 08, 2022 1:37 pm**

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 11:28 am
I think had we scored that McNeil chance just before the break we would have gone into the second half with our tails up and would have stood every chance of rescuing a point.

My son and daughter said exactly that on the way back to the car. Suppose my sceptical nature suggested there were a lot of 'if's' to deal with and so quietly I disagreed. All about opinions though.

Posted: **Mon May 09, 2022 10:23 pm**

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Posted: **Mon May 09, 2022 10:24 pm**

Sorry… made me titter!

Posted: **Mon May 09, 2022 10:24 pm**

DukeOfBar wrote: ↑
Mon May 09, 2022 10:23 pm
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That’s bad.

Posted: **Mon May 09, 2022 10:32 pm**

Anyone not familiar with the singer's back catalogue could easily be taken in by that.

Posted: **Mon May 09, 2022 11:14 pm**

Good song. Good player. I hope to be singing other songs in 13 days time

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 7:31 am**

gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑
Mon May 09, 2022 10:32 pm
Anyone not familiar with the singer's back catalogue could easily be taken in by that.

Some of us are old enough to remember the story that Terry Cochrane signed for Middlesbrough thinking it was closer to London!

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 7:44 am**

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 11:41 am
If fit he has to start in our last 2 games anyway, Spurs might require a more pragmatic approach, so he may fins himself coming off the bench there.

He needs to start becasue it forces teams to defend a bit deeper. With Weghorst and Barnses up front, Spurs will be able to defend on the edge of OUR area and still not have to worry about us counter attacking.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 1:58 pm**

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sun May 08, 2022 11:41 am
If fit he has to start in our last 2 games anyway, Spurs might require a more pragmatic approach, so he may fins himself coming off the bench there.

He can be hit and miss, but he along with maybe Dwight is someone who can make things happen, and both will be vital in the final few games.

One upside to come out of yesterday was Cornet bagging that late consolation, helps our GD slightly, and hopefully gets his confidence back again.

I think it’s too late for pragmatism after Saturday’s bad loss.

Cornet was always going to get a run out against Villa at some stage in the second half and as there are no reports of any bad fitness reaction then he’s good to go.

We desperately need more mobility going forward for all of the final 3 games. I’m sure Dwight will benefit , on Saturday he got plenty of the ball in the first half but there was nothing happening in front of him.

You never know, if we can get some kind of offensive cohesion going against Spurs it should give the players confidence going into the final 2 winnable games.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 2:11 pm**

Burnley Ace wrote: ↑
Tue May 10, 2022 7:31 am
Some of us are old enough to remember the story that Terry Cochrane signed for Middlesbrough thinking it was closer to London!

Didn't Jim Thomson sign from Chelsea because Burnley was nearer to Scotland? He must have liked it as I believe he still lives in Burnley.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 2:16 pm**

I think Jayrod would be as much a welcome sight as cornet if available. Jay has looked the epitome of one of our own on our mini revival with a George Boyd like approach in chasing everything, although he did tire in the latter games which is to be expected. But if we can get Jay back and Cornet on the left rotating and being given the room to bomb forward as and when needed, with Jay moving in and around Vout and Dwight attacking from the other side, we are a completely different prospect to what we witnessed on Saturday. Apologies if I have missed it, but is Jay still confirmed as out injured?

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 2:17 pm**

ClaretAL wrote: ↑
Tue May 10, 2022 2:16 pm
I think Jayrod would be as much a welcome sight as cornet if available. Jay has looked the epitome of one of our own on our mini revival with a George Boyd like approach in chasing everything, although he did tire in the latter games which is to be expected. But if we can get Jay back and Cornet on the left rotating and being given the room to bomb forward as and when needed, with Jay moving in and around Vout and Dwight attacking from the other side, we are a completely different prospect to what we witnessed on Saturday. Apologies if I have missed it, but is Jay still confirmed as out injured?

Completely agree. Our best half of football this season, attacking wise, was Southampton at home when the above mentioned quartet started together. Unfortunately since it’s been Cornet then Jay with injuries.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 2:21 pm**

We need Maxwell back for her last 3 games if we are to have a chance of staying up. Yes he's a bit flimsy and quirky but with him and McNeil in the team we'll create loads just need some bugger to put the chances away. Come on Wout time to step up. Agree with ClaretAL . Need Jay back too not because he's suddenly going to start banging them in but Barnes and WW don't work. Lennon shouldn't be starting unless we are desperate.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 2:21 pm**

Absolutely agree Rodriguez returning to the squad on Sunday would be a boost. If he does and gets a run out in the second half then it will be the ideal preparation for Villa away

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 2:25 pm**

AwayClaret wrote: ↑
Tue May 10, 2022 2:21 pm
Come on Wout time to step up.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 2:48 pm**

We need to have a more solid back four/five with one up top and that may allow Cornet and McNeil more options to attack and have a go

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 3:37 pm**

adropofclaret wrote: ↑
Tue May 10, 2022 2:48 pm
We need to have a more solid back four/five with one up top and that may allow Cornet and McNeil more options to attack and have a go

Yeah could work. 451 might be worth a shot. Though not sure the players will be able to adapt in time after having to stick to a 442 and the framework for years plus its probably not the right time now. 451 defending 4231 attacking.

Defending
Pope
Roberts Collins Tarks/Long/Mee Taylor
McNeil Brownhill Cork Stephens(shudder) Cornet
Wout

Attacking 4231 that's obvious who goes where. It's just too late in the season unless they've been trying something in training. Theres loads of things we can try but with Dyche tactics still in their head and the players not really good enough its difficult. Just hope the next manager is able yo be flexible and train the players in away to be able to adapt to different formations.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 4:05 pm**

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Tue May 10, 2022 2:21 pm
Absolutely agree Rodriguez returning to the squad on Sunday would be a boost. If he does and gets a run out in the second half then it will be the ideal preparation for Villa away

He won't.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 4:20 pm**

Leisure wrote: ↑
Tue May 10, 2022 4:05 pm
He won't.

Is he out for the season then?

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 4:26 pm**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Tue May 10, 2022 4:20 pm
Is he out for the season then?

I’ve heard back for newcastle but just purely rumours on a group chat.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 4:34 pm**

Leisure wrote: ↑
Tue May 10, 2022 4:05 pm
He won't.

…is that fact or opinion?

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 4:35 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Tue May 10, 2022 4:26 pm
I’ve heard back for newcastle but just purely rumours on a group chat.

Might be too late by then

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 4:52 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Tue May 10, 2022 4:26 pm
I’ve heard back for newcastle but just purely rumours on a group chat.

Seen as though there is a 3 day gap between Villa and Newcastle I’m sure its either he is fit for both or neither.

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 4:53 pm**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Tue May 10, 2022 4:52 pm
Seen as though there is a 3 day gap between Villa and Newcastle I’m sure its either he is fit for both or neither.

True

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 7:49 pm**

Leisure wrote: ↑
Tue May 10, 2022 4:05 pm
He won't.

Breaking news ? What do you know and how does that fit in with running coaches to games ?

Posted: **Tue May 10, 2022 7:52 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Tue May 10, 2022 4:26 pm
I’ve heard back for newcastle but just purely rumours on a group chat.

Yeh , rumours on a group chat is all you can offer then?

Just out of interest what is the group chat , not the one that includes the club physios ?

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