• Weghorst miss

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:47 pm**

I'm a new and pretty unrecognised poster (no offence taken haha) but I've been pretty critical of Weghorst in general and don't rate him.
It's pretty easy to say he should have buried it but the defender flung himself at the ball and got a good break.
Would have been amazing if it went in obviously but I don't massively blame him.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:47 pm**

Pointless thread.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:48 pm**

I think he’s been pretty useless since he arrived bar a couple of games, but he couldn’t have done more I don’t think bar hitting the target which is what he did. He did lift it a bit too rather than it being a daisy cutter, which is all I’d have hoped for.

Just got to say great block really.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:49 pm**

Need to see it back but I think the point is 1. A slightly more mobile striker gets to the ball quicker to finish it (imagine Ings for example) 2. Could he have elevated his shot so it went into the top half of the net, foreseeing the sliding Mings?

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:50 pm**

Got to give Mungs the benefit in that one was a great block ... just as we are praising Pope

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:52 pm**

Couldn’t really have done anything more. Fantastic challenge by Mings. Weghorst started the move off with some decent hold up play, something we were seriously lacking at times with Barnes and in particular Cornet. He’s gone through a rocky patch and the goals aren’t coming for him, but I’m hoping we see him line up for us in the PL next season with a new manager and a full pre-season.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:52 pm**

A sign of a player adapting to the league. He just needs it to be natural to him to lift the shot or drill it low. Instead he stroked it like Barnes stroked the penalty.

In Germany the defender doesn’t get that, which is why Wout was a tad casual. This is a step up. But he’ll get there.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:52 pm**

Quicknick wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 10:47 pm
Pointless thread.

Thanks for that. 95% of threads are pointless as they're all just discussion points.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:52 pm**

Neil wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 10:47 pm
I'm a new and pretty unrecognised poster (no offence taken haha) but I've been pretty critical of Weghorst in general and don't rate him.
It's pretty easy to say he should have buried it but the defender flung himself at the ball and got a good break.
Would have been amazing if it went in obviously but I don't massively blame him.

I blame him. That is what he’s paid to do finish that kind of chance.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:53 pm**

Great defending

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:54 pm**

Has to score. No excuses.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:54 pm**

He lifted that all he could seeing it back. There simply wasn't the space to get anymore elevation due to a superb piece of defending.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:55 pm**

He didn't miss, it was going in.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:56 pm**

Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 10:55 pm
He didn't miss, it was going in.

Not sure on this take. The question is, could he have done more to ensure it DID go in? For example, if he lifts it into the top corner, it’s a goal because Mings doesn’t get there.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:56 pm**

Wegs to get the winner against Newcastle

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:57 pm**

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 10:52 pm
A sign of a player adapting to the league. He just needs it to be natural to him to lift the shot or drill it low. Instead he stroked it like Barnes stroked the penalty.

In Germany the defender doesn’t get that, which is why Wout was a tad casual. This is a step up. But he’ll get there.

This. People who actually understand football know that he is adapting to the PL. problem we have is we need him to adapt quicker. If we stay up, I fully expect to see the best of wout next season

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:57 pm**

Top scorer in the Bundesliga behind Lewandowski over the past 4/5 years.

Parachuted into a team, low on confidence, playing very little football and scrapping for their lives. And not playing to his strengths either.

Can he do more? Of course. And should we stay up and play more football, on the deck and under a new manager, then that will be time to properly judge.

Calling him useless is just moronic.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:57 pm**

Easy with hindsight to say he should've fake shot johan cruyff turned and no look 360'd it into the net. He did everything right, hit the target and 9 times out of 10 it's a goal, great defending from Mings.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:58 pm**

Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 10:55 pm
He didn't miss, it was going in.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:59 pm**

Fantastic block, if that is one of our defenders, we sing their praises stopping a nailed on goal.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 10:59 pm**

TsarBomba wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 10:57 pm
Top scorer in the Bundesliga behind Lewandowski over the past 4/5 years.

Parachuted into a team, low on confidence, playing very little football and scrapping for their lives. And not playing to his strengths either.

Can he do more? Of course. And should we stay up and play more football, on the deck and under a new manager, then that will be time to properly judge.

Calling him useless is just moronic.

Why don’t we just stop making excuses and call a spade a spade.

He has been useless for us to date, until that changes that is just the honest truth.

One of our highest earners and isn’t even a certain starter should tell you everything.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:00 pm**

It’s Mr.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:00 pm**

Ron Futcher would have feigned to shoot sent Tyrone to the shops for more gum and stroked it in with his left

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:01 pm**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 10:56 pm
Not sure on this take. The question is, could he have done more to ensure it DID go in? For example, if he lifts it into the top corner, it’s a goal because Mings doesn’t get there.

If he had a time machine he would have trapped it, waited for Mings to dive, then flicked it up and headed it at the underside of the crossbar with the ball bouncing just over the goal line.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:02 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 10:59 pm
Why don’t we just stop making excuses and call a spade a spade.

He has been useless for us to date, until that changes that is just the honest truth.

One of our highest earners and isn’t even a certain starter should tell you everything.

Certainly wasn't useless away at Palace and Brighton, home to Spurs, Man United. Scored at West Ham too. He's had poor performances sure, to say he's been useless is your typical b**locks though.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:02 pm**

He’s been very poor.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:03 pm**

Great piece of proper football all round. Good ball, good save, good pass, good block.
it looks like he should have scored, and he would have scored, but for a fantastic block.

That's fine, it's part of the game. It's as nature intended.

It's not like not getting a penalty for the exact same reason you conceded a penalty the game before, or anything.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:03 pm**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 11:02 pm
Certainly wasn't useless away at Palace and Brighton, home to Spurs, Man United. Scored at West Ham too. He's had poor performances sure, to say he's been useless is ******** though.

So good in them performances he’s been dropped for a player you constantly say is past it in Barnes.

He has been useless and any other opinion is just claret tinted specs. Top earning players don’t get dropped (especially here) unless they are useless.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:04 pm**

He doesn't do a lot wrong and it's fantastic defending by Mings

You just sense it's that split-second mental agility at this level and he's still adjusting to that. Would have backed Barnes to score in the same situation

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:05 pm**

outstanding defending

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:08 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 11:03 pm
So good in them performances he’s been dropped for a player you constantly say is past it in Barnes.

He has been useless and any other opinion is just claret tinted specs. Top earning players don’t get dropped (especially here) unless they are useless.

I said months ago I'd like to see Barnes given a run in the side and a new contract??? We haven't seen Barnes given a real run in the team for a long time, kinda impossible to say he's past it until he was given a run.

I think it's obvious why he's been dropped, the team was set up to defend deep and hit it long, suits Barnes' game more than Wout.

I'm as objective as anyone on here so the claret tinted specs is funny. He's had some really good performances, some not so good.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:08 pm**

Let's have it right, he's been poor and that's why he's on the bench. Not saying that he can't be a good player for us, but at the moment he's exactly where he should be.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:08 pm**

The thing I really hope we start doing when evaluating Wout is stopping with the Bundesliga evidence as the reason he is not the problem and we/the players/our tactics/the manager are.

Judge him on what he is producing here, for us, in this league. Anything else is utterly irrelevant. Paul Stewart was playing for England and Liverpool a couple of years before he came to Burnley - equally pointless saying “Yeah but…” back then considering what he was ‘offering’ us.

This thread shouldn’t be an overall Weghorst bashing thing though, he’s had at least two of them already and did nothing wrong (imo) tonight. He won a couple of duels, did a couple of clearances and did everything he possibly could with the chance he got. Sometimes you just have to hand it to the defender.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:08 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 11:03 pm
So good in them performances he’s been dropped for a player you constantly say is past it in Barnes.

He has been useless and any other opinion is just claret tinted specs. Top earning players don’t get dropped (especially here) unless they are useless.

That's so harsh.

The man needs to adjust to the speed of the PL.
you could focus ion the good stuff he does.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:11 pm**

Quicknick wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 10:47 pm
Pointless thread.

The only pointless thread after tonight’s performance is the one containing the man of the match poll

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:11 pm**

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 11:08 pm
I said months ago I'd like to see Barnes given a run in the side and a new contract??? We haven't seen Barnes given a real run in the team for a long time, kinda impossible to say he's past it until he was given a run.

I think it's obvious why he's been dropped, the team was set up to defend deep and hit it long, suits Barnes' game more than Wout.

I'm as objective as anyone on here so the claret tinted specs is funny. He's had some really good performances, some not so good.

Your not being objective though, you were raving about him when signed and now he’s turning out to be a poor signing your constantly defending him.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:12 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 10:59 pm
Why don’t we just stop making excuses and call a spade a spade.

He has been useless for us to date, until that changes that is just the honest truth.

One of our highest earners and isn’t even a certain starter should tell you everything.

They’re not excuses. They are facts.

Take 5 mins to look at our team statistics this year.

Lowest possession percentage- 38%
Pass accuracy- 69%
Cross accuracy- 21%
Goals from open play (not set pieces)- 18 (second lowest)
Goals from counter attacks- 1 (joint lowest)

I could go on.

To say Weghorst has been useless, and at the same time completely ignore the circumstances he has come into and how badly we have been playing, is disingenuous and you know it is.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:13 pm**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 10:49 pm
Need to see it back but I think the point is 1. A slightly more mobile striker gets to the ball quicker to finish it (imagine Ings for example) 2. Could he have elevated his shot so it went into the top half of the net, foreseeing the sliding Mings?

Nah, it’s a good finish. He could go high, he could keep it right on the deck, but he focused on going for the corner and getting clean contact which is all you can ask.

Mings just did miraculously, unfortunately.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:13 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 11:11 pm
Your not being objective though, you were raving about him when signed and now he’s turning out to be a poor signing your constantly defending him.

One of you is going to die on that hill.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:14 pm**

Mings did a Tarkowski or Mee block on Weghorst's shot don't be to hard on him...it was a fantastic block

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:14 pm**

You're. Come on Newcastle, you're nearly 30.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:15 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 11:11 pm
Your not being objective though, you were raving about him when signed and now he’s turning out to be a poor signing your constantly defending him.

He's been fine in the majority of games, certainly an upgrade on what Wood was offering in the same team. I'm fine with him squaring the ball to Vydra to win the Wolves game instead of scoring himself. If you wanna just count productivity in stats and return, he's still our most effective striker goals/assists to minutes played. His hold up and energy means he offers more than just goals/assists though.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:17 pm**

Couldn’t do much more with that chance for me. It was a fantastic block from Mings.

However, just to put a slightly different slant on things. How many of you would start him against Newcastle over Barnes?

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:19 pm**

TommyPicks wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 11:17 pm
Couldn’t do much more with that chance for me. It was a fantastic block from Mings.

However, just to put a slightly different slant on things. How many of you would start him against Newcastle over Barnes?

Me

Barnes very nearly got sent off within five minutes, and Weghorst is better with the ball

Course, we'd have to play it to his feet

Any chance that Jay will be fit anyone know?

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:19 pm**

TommyPicks wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 11:17 pm
Couldn’t do much more with that chance for me. It was a fantastic block from Mings.

However, just to put a slightly different slant on things. How many of you would start him against Newcastle over Barnes?

I'd start the pair of them together, Cornet and Mcneil on the wings. Revert to 5 at the back in the 2nd half if needed.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:20 pm**

A world class striker would have dummied it and then chipped into an empty net - we’re £100m short so we got the honest hard working striker whose effort was blocked by outstanding defending.

Did brilliantly to get into that position in the first place, excellent effort from Roberts too

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:20 pm**

distortiondave wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 11:14 pm
You're. Come on Newcastle, you're nearly 30.

I always thought that the 93 in his moniker was the amount of pints he has before coming on here.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:21 pm**

TommyPicks wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 11:17 pm
Couldn’t do much more with that chance for me. It was a fantastic block from Mings.

However, just to put a slightly different slant on things. How many of you would start him against Newcastle over Barnes?

I’d go 4-4-2 with both playing.

Pope
Roberts Tarky Collins Taylor
McNeil Brownhill Cork Cornet
Barnes Weghorst

We need to assume that we have to win.

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:22 pm**

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 11:08 pm
The thing I really hope we start doing when evaluating Wout is stopping with the Bundesliga evidence as the reason he is not the problem and we/the players/our tactics/the manager are.

Judge him on what he is producing here, for us, in this league. Anything else is utterly irrelevant. Paul Stewart was playing for England and Liverpool a couple of years before he came to Burnley - equally pointless saying “Yeah but…” back then considering what he was ‘offering’ us.

This thread shouldn’t be an overall Weghorst bashing thing though, he’s had at least two of them already and did nothing wrong (imo) tonight. He won a couple of duels, did a couple of clearances and did everything he possibly could with the chance he got. Sometimes you just have to hand it to the defender.

It’s not utterly irrelevant. He’s proven to be a consistent goalscorer in a top 5 league.

Are we playing to his strengths? Not remotely.

I AM judging him on what he is producing here, and taking into account the backdrop of a relegation scrap, a side low on confidence playing god awful football, it’s not remotely surprising he is finding it tough.

Out of interest, what were you expecting him to do, bearing in mind just how poor we are in possession?

Posted: **Thu May 19, 2022 11:24 pm**

Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑
Thu May 19, 2022 11:20 pm
I always thought that the 93 in his moniker was the amount of pints he has before coming on here.

I thought to make a joke about it being 9.3 but even that is akin to snorting coke off a police dogs truncheon.

What were we talking about?

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