Do we:

1. Protect the point we start with and only play more expansively if Leeds take the lead.
2. Go for goals from the start to finish and ignore what’s happening at Brentford.
3. As 2 but if we take the lead shut up shop, then resorting to option 1

Win the game, that's it.
We absolutely cannot rely on anyone else

2

Go for the win....no fannying around

Three points and safety is guaranteed.

End of.

Win.

Incredibly tough one.

On the on hand, I’d be gutted if Leeds only draw and we lose through being too expansive/getting caught. I certainly don’t want an early goal.

I think we have to go 4-4-2 again, try to play football and try to get a goal or two. If we do, it’s got to be game management.

Weghorst MUST start for me. Our build up play looks so much better with him in the team.

Carport wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 7:39 am

Do we:

1. Protect the point we start with and only play more expansively if Leeds take the lead.
2. Go for goals from the start to finish and ignore what’s happening at Brentford.
3. As 2 but if we take the lead shut up shop, then resorting to option 1

I suppose I should have said for 3. Resort to option 1 if and only if after we take the lead and shut up shop we then somehow concede.

Think the Everton game last night is case in point. Imagine Leeds 2-0 down at half time, everyone thinks it’s job done, then they score 3 second half..

For that reason we have to play cautious (no early sloppy goals) but go for it to secure the win. If we play to our maximum, get beaten by the better side and Leeds win, then we could have done nothing more. If we sit back and get pipped then there will always be a ‘what could have been’.

Absolutely, firm but fair to begin with, let Newcastle know they are in for a scrap, no stupid early goal given away and then apply pressure.

Go for the win and forget about DL. Even if we know how they’re getting on it doesn’t change anything really:
DL winning -> must win
DL drawing -> must win because they might nick a winner
DL losing -> must win because they might turn it round a la Everton
We can’t just throw caution to the wind though obvs

442 and take the game to them, but without pushing that defence too high up the pitch. We were unlucky against Villa at home, they took all their chances, they didn’t have too many, and got the second goal when we had a period of pressure. Then we lost Tarky. We left Cornet on the bench, cannot do that again, he is up and down but our main goal threat.

I suspect Trippier will play so it would be him and Cornet on that wing. Can’t see Trios fancying it in a dead rubber tbh, he will hate it if we drop.

2.
Leeds have nothing to lose, so they'll chuck the kitchen sink at it. They have the awful habit of pinching late, late goals, even in games where they have been dominated.
We have to play as if a win is the only result that can keep us up, and pray that it isn't.

We can’t be relying on a point being enough. Imagine Leeds are drawing still in the 80th minute. They will absolutely believe they can nick a late winner, given their record at doing exactly that this season. And I’d bet they will find one too!

We don't create enough with that 5-3-2

But if we could hold the eball up better, we might

Weghorst starts and we try to play it to his feet, and we see

But we can't afford not to go for the win, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a return to 4-4-2

Quite like 3 at the back. Just tell Charlie and Connor to get forward more whilst being roared on by us

We need to take the bull by the horns and be masters of our own fate. That means going for the win.

I might be tempted to start 451

Midfield of Lennon, Josh, Cork, Dwight, Cornet

WW up top holding up and linking play. Keep it tight, then push Cornet up in possession.

I think that it would be dangerous to develop tactics based on what is happening at Brentford. It would almost certainly have a psychologically strange effect on our players and distract them and this is a team that know their roles inside out. We simply must go for the win. That's the only way this is in our hands. Jackson has form in his management role at Shrewsbury for being SD like from a pragmatic keep what we have got point of view. We also saw this last night bringing Lowton on giving us 6 defenders. I suspect he will keep 5 at the back to stop what happened with Villa at home. We simply cannot go behind. Not what I would do but what do I know?

We can still be very solid in a 4-4-2. Wolves hardly had a chance against us. Villa did because of some poor defending / lapses in concentration which can’t happen, and they were very clinical.

I’d like to see us start a bit better. Last few games we’ve been slow out of the blocks for the first 15 or 20 minutes.

Got to say though, tactically, Jackson has earned some respect. Adapting things with the set up at Spurs for example, which left us really unfortunate coming away empty handed.

Quick turnaround before Sunday now, and not a huge amount of time to work on the training ground.

Cornet looked like he had a bag of ice at the end. Sincerely hope he’s fit, as he offers us the pace, albeit he hasn’t quite got back to the player he was when he first joined.

Honestly, whatever happens Sunday, Jackson has done a fantastic job, and I don’t really feel anyone can question the commitment of the players. Just praying we can get over the line now.

Burnley tactics should always be

Get in to em. F*** em up.

Same as last night for me. We are more defensively solid, and we have had chances as well. We can win playing 532.

The 5 at the back, which Jackson seems to have created within 6 games is defensively so good.I have been at the last two games and we have been brilliant. And YES SD had 10 seasons and pre-seasons to develop it and used it around two times in 500 games. I am convinced that had we had the option to plat y CH's this season with the current set up that we would find ourselves mid table. We could easily have got 5 points in the last two games but for missed chances and poor refereeing

I think for Sunday we will see a back three of Collins, Tarks and Mee-set up to not lose and maybe Barnes & Rodriguez starting in a 532 set up. I think Barnes and Rodriguez both respond to the crowd. VW and Cornet are both sadly lacking any belief and for me a result on Sunday means less for these two than it does to the rest of the team

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 9:34 am

We don't create enough with that 5-3-2

But if we could hold the eball up better, we might

Weghorst starts and we try to play it to his feet, and we see

But we can't afford not to go for the win, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a return to 4-4-2

Not only do we not create enough, we don't hold the ball well enough to give ourselves a breather, or have the personnel up the pitch to pressure the ball at source. At times last night it was a flat back 5 and with 3 in midfield, we couldn't prevent the full backs raiding on and getting into the final third unless Cornet dropped back in and made it 5-4-1, and once we did that Barnes had no hope.

I also think that the goal we conceded was itself a consequence of the formation. The massive gap Buendia ran through was because the 3 midfielders had all shuffled across, the 3 centre halves had all got pulled across, and there was no right winger to track the run, and the right wing back wasn't covering round as tightly as perhaps he should have done, or would have done in a back 4. I don't think we concede that goal if McNeil or Lennon are playing right wing and Roberts is thinking/playing like a conventional right back.

Personally, I think I'd go with Barnes again on Sunday, but I'd play McNeil off him, and Lennon and Cornet wide, and drop Long, even though he's done nothing wrong.

5-3-2 same as last night

claretspice wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 1:11 pm

The massive gap Buendia ran through was because the 3 midfielders had all shuffled across,

It’s actually because McNeil watched him run through the midfield instead of being alert and picking him up and following him in

claretspice wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 1:11 pm

Not only do we not create enough, we don't hold the ball well enough to give ourselves a breather, or have the personnel up the pitch to pressure the ball at source.

While I don’t disagree, ball retention has been an issue all season, regardless of shape. It’s probably been at its best when we’ve had our most technical team on the pitch (no surprise), which is Cornet/McNeil wide, Cork/Brownhill central and Weghorst/Jay up top.

claretspice wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 1:11 pm

Not only do we not create enough, we don't hold the ball well enough to give ourselves a breather, or have the personnel up the pitch to pressure the ball at source. At times last night it was a flat back 5 and with 3 in midfield, we couldn't prevent the full backs raiding on and getting into the final third unless Cornet dropped back in and made it 5-4-1, and once we did that Barnes had no hope.

I also think that the goal we conceded was itself a consequence of the formation. The massive gap Buendia ran through was because the 3 midfielders had all shuffled across, the 3 centre halves had all got pulled across, and there was no right winger to track the run, and the right wing back wasn't covering round as tightly as perhaps he should have done, or would have done in a back 4. I don't think we concede that goal if McNeil or Lennon are playing right wing and Roberts is thinking/playing like a conventional right back.

Personally, I think I'd go with Barnes again on Sunday, but I'd play McNeil off him, and Lennon and Cornet wide, and drop Long, even though he's done nothing wrong.

For last night's goal and a 3 CH system positioning. The right hand side CH should have been around the back post area and the middle CH should not go past the line of the front post.
Leaving the left CH to engage the ball down the left.

95% of goals are scored from between the posts.

The 3 CHs got dragged way out of position.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 1:22 pm

It’s actually because McNeil watched him run through the midfield instead of being alert and picking him up and following him in

Watch it again… their young striker makes a run behind Tarks and Collins goes with him on the cover leaving the big gap for him to run into.

Yes McNeil didn’t track 30 yards out from goal, but I wouldn’t be expecting him to track a runner onto the edge of the 6 yard box, especially when we are playing 5 at the back.

Row Z wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 1:48 pm

Watch it again… their young striker makes a run behind Tarks and Collins goes with him on the cover leaving the big gap for him to run into.

Yes McNeil didn’t track 30 yards out from goal, but I wouldn’t be expecting him to track a runner onto the edge of the 6 yard box, especially when we are playing 5 at the back.

CoolClaret despises McNeil so he’ll do anything to put the blame on him.

Row Z wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 1:48 pm

Watch it again… their young striker makes a run behind Tarks and Collins goes with him on the cover leaving the big gap for him to run into.

Yes McNeil didn’t track 30 yards out from goal, but I wouldn’t be expecting him to track a runner onto the edge of the 6 yard box, especially when we are playing 5 at the back.

Buendia started behind McNeil and saw all that space there that was created by McNeil not being in position and then actually not tracking him into said space.


As for despising McNeil? I don’t despise him - I don’t think he’s as good as ClaretSpice thinks and his returns would suggest that. Incredibly one footed and switches off at key times, I question if he’s got the mentality to be a consistent top flight footballer

I would let Roberts and Taylor take turns at rampaging down there wings along with Mcneil on the left of the midfield 3.

Just need someone to drop off into their space when they are attacking, as long as they are disciplined doing that think we could be okay.

5-3-2 defending

4-4-2 attacking

5-4-1 if we go one up playing on the break, time for expansive football has gone

Slowest attacker to tuck into midfield to make the 4 when we are under the cosh.

Leave it to Jacko. He’s done a fine job so far and given us a chance from an almost impossible position. In Jacko we Trust

I think it's same formation as last two games, play and see what Leeds are doing, plan to change/react if Leeds are winning, first order of the day, prevent a goal and use our GD advantage, adopt if Leeds go in front, throw the kitchen sink.

We are not very good at scoring but good at preventing, play to our strength and advantage to start, be flexible and use sub's wisely/timely.

It's going down to the last second of play I fear, let alone last game or last minute.

If we look back over the season so far, not many games stand out where we have got off to a good start in matches (leading to an early goal or a concerted amount of pressure). I just think we need to take the game to Newcastle from the kick off. That's the only way I think we are going to cope with the management of this game. Having home advantage is key. Hopefully the players use this as a strength and not something to be nervous of.

Attack, attack, attack

Like Rocky says, get into em, yayayaya, attack attack etc.

WIN simple as that

CnBtruntru wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 8:01 pm

WIN simple as that

I wish it were that simple. And ‘WIN’ isn’t a tactic; it’s a preferred outcome. The question is what approach to the game should we adopt from the start and how do we adapt that throughout the match in the interests of optimum game management.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 2:46 pm

Buendia started behind McNeil and saw all that space there that was created by McNeil not being in position and then actually not tracking him into said space.

Like I said… watch it again and you’ll see it’s Collins following the run leaving the space.

Carport wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 8:48 pm

I wish it were that simple. And ‘WIN’ isn’t a tactic; it’s a preferred outcome. The question is what approach to the game should we adopt from the start and how do we adapt that throughout the match in the interests of optimum game management.

WIN is a tactic if you do it, simples

Got to go for the win straight from the off.
We've started too slow in recent games.

Make it known that we will not be kicking the ball out for any injured players or giving the ball back under these circumstances.

Row Z wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 8:56 pm

Like I said… watch it again and you’ll see it’s Collins following the run leaving the space.

McNeil was playing right of the 3 in the middle - fact is if he’s aligned with the other two in the still I posted instead of idling back Buendia doesn’t even attempt his run.

He runs because there’s a mass amount of space created with McNeil out of position, then he doesn’t even bother to get back into follow him either

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 9:38 pm

McNeil was playing right of the 3 in the middle - fact is if he’s aligned with the other two in the still I posted instead of idling back Buendia doesn’t even attempt his run.

He runs because there’s a mass amount of space created with McNeil out of position, then he doesn’t even bother to get back into follow him either

Buendia was trying that run all night.. and there is no way a CM tracks a runner into the 6 yard box, he passes him on.

I don’t disagree that Dwight has been caught out a few times with runners, the overlap for Villas second goal was a typical example and that is exactly where you’d want him to be tracking the run… but in this instance it’s good movement to pull Collins out of position.

Moorite wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 9:18 pm

Make it known that we will not be kicking the ball out for any injured players or giving the ball back under these circumstances.

Unless we are winning and the ball can stay off the pitch for a good while!

Any team should always play to win. Playing for a draw is the best way to lose a match.

warksclaret wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 11:37 am

The 5 at the back, which Jackson seems to have created within 6 games is defensively so good.I have been at the last two games and we have been brilliant. And YES SD had 10 seasons and pre-seasons to develop it and used it around two times in 500 games. I am convinced that had we had the option to plat y CH's this season with the current set up that we would find ourselves mid table. We could easily have got 5 points in the last two games but for missed chances and poor refereeing

I think for Sunday we will see a back three of Collins, Tarks and Mee-set up to not lose and maybe Barnes & Rodriguez starting in a 532 set up. I think Barnes and Rodriguez both respond to the crowd. VW and Cornet are both sadly lacking any belief and for me a result on Sunday means less for these two than it does to the rest of the team

The flipside to that is cornet and wout are more capable of singular moments of quality that can win you a game. Wout has provided some brilliant assists in key moments if not goals, ahd cornet is possibly the only player McNeill aside who wins us that penalty on Thursday.

Score more goals than Newcastle do.....it's that simple

Row Z wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 11:15 pm

Buendia was trying that run all night.. and there is no way a CM tracks a runner into the 6 yard box, he passes him on.

I don’t disagree that Dwight has been caught out a few times with runners, the overlap for Villas second goal was a typical example and that is exactly where you’d want him to be tracking the run… but in this instance it’s good movement to pull Collins out of position.

The point is McNeil is way out of position if he’s meant to be playing RCM in a 3–5-2 / 5-3-2 . He’s watched Buendia get goal side of him and into that space, he’s effectively taken himself out of the game.

Now he’s seen Buendia make a sprint forward in a gaping hole IMO he should have got a shift on and kept with him.

If he’s sat there in line with Cork/Brownhill Buendia can’t make that run to pull the defence apart