Think we will be kissing goodbye to this rise linked to inflation in our pensions come next April,how is Boris and his cronies going explain away that one,or will there be an early election in 2023 and they will pay it us to sweeten us up,surely they can't renegade on it again.....can they?

Oh yes they can but with so many pensioners voting for the useless tw@s I doubt they will.
I even read yesterday they could be bringing next years April rise forward to placate their voting base.

Are you saying that the promise of a bit more money in retirement will mean older people vote for the Tories?

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 2:50 pm

Oh yes they can but with so many pensioners voting for the useless tw@s I doubt they will.
I even read yesterday they could be bringing next years April rise forward to placate their voting base.

Just like they all do....and we fall for it every time.

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 2:51 pm

Are you saying that the promise of a bit more money in retirement will mean older people vote for the Tories?

No.

I'd of thought they'd have a lot more money for pensions after covid and the way they treated the nursing homes !!

Most pensioners are already well off, and many can't even spend the money they get currently

Sorry Lizzie, you dont know what you're talking about. Since retirement I've had to let the 2nd footman go and downsize the Roller to a Bentley.

Elizabeth wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 7:44 pm

Most pensioners are already well off, and many can't even spend the money they get currently

That's a joke,right?

The government broke the triple lock on pensions this year when inflation (Sept 2021) was much lower than now, no chance they will restore it this year when govt finances are in such a mess. A high tax - high spend government is not what we normally get from the Conservatives.

The first thing to get pillaged when the government need money will always be pensions.

Elizabeth wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 7:44 pm

Most pensioners are already well off, and many can't even spend the money they get currently

Excellent example of why threads like these should be banned.

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 8:43 pm

Excellent example of why threads like these should be banned.

Totally agree, not the best comment.

Tell that to the pensioners who travel on buses all day to keep warm . Poor comment

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 8:43 pm

Excellent example of why threads like these should be banned.

Yes, along with the post above saying "Oh yes they can but with so many pensioners voting for the useless tw@s....".
At once bring party politics and profanity into the thread which started out as party political anyway ( "Boris and his cronies ").

Elizabeth. Utterly fatuous.

Elizabeth wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 7:44 pm

Most pensioners are already well off, and many can't even spend the money they get currently

A perfect example of the type of comment that gives credence to the naming of BFC supporters as Dingles

What a moron !

CleggHall wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 8:28 pm

A high tax - high spend government is not what we normally get from the Conservatives.

Do you actually believe this?

Try studying simple economics and you'll find that both parties have historically recouped very similar amounts from the population as a whole....the difference being simply which socio-economic groups have been given the biggest burden.

expoultryboy wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 9:47 pm

Tell that to the pensioners who travel on buses all day to keep warm . Poor comment

Pensioners don't travel on buses all day to keep warm.
You have to be really, really stupid to believe they do

Damo wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 4:24 am

Pensioners don't travel on buses all day to keep warm.
You have to be really, really stupid to believe they do

Strange how people want to believe it when Boris bashing about inflation but want to disbelieve it when it comes to pensioners getting what they were promised.

That's the lefty thought process for you.

Damo wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 4:24 am

Pensioners don't travel on buses all day to keep warm.
You have to be really, really stupid to believe they do

There are pensioners in poverty (some do busses or the library to keep warm during the day). It's going to get a lot worse for millions of folk, including the elderly. Us lot quibbling on a football message board isn't going to change this.

I am one of those who would like us all to take stock of our means and outgoings. I’m still subbing two of our four children. Not to keep them in the manner they have been used to but to ensure they survive. I would love them to be financially independent but it’s not happening in this country. I pray that pensions will remain linked to the cost of living. Also for what it’s worth stay well away from equity release, and yes I’m a pensioner.

CleggHall wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 8:28 pm

The government broke the triple lock on pensions this year when inflation (Sept 2021) was much lower than now, no chance they will restore it this year when govt finances are in such a mess. A high tax - high spend government is not what we normally get from the Conservatives.

No just high tax on the masses and low tax to attract oligarchs, who go on to support Conservatives financially.

Bigbopper wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 8:31 am

Strange how people want to believe it when Boris bashing about inflation but want to disbelieve it when it comes to pensioners getting what they were promised.

That's the lefty thought process for you.

Inflation is the highest for decades.

The Triple Lock Pension promise was broken this year, as "Pensioners would get too much, when compared to Public Sector workers".

Public sector workers had an average of 1.2% pay increase. Private sector 8.2% average. The private sector, therefore, kept up with inflation, while Public and pensions failed miserably.

Inflation is particularly high, mostly as no real action gas been taken to tackle the damaging increase to fuel prices. Unlike other countries.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 9:20 am

Inflation is the highest for decades.

The Triple Lock Pension promise was broken this year, as "Pensioners would get too much, when compared to Public Sector workers".

Public sector workers had an average of 1.2% pay increase. Private sector 8.2% average. The private sector, therefore, kept up with inflation, while Public and pensions failed miserably.

Inflation is particularly high, mostly as no real action gas been taken to tackle the damaging increase to fuel prices. Unlike other countries.

Maybe the private sector pay rises are helping to cause inflation? As for fuel prices any subsidy has to be paid for from somewhere. There is no such thing as a free tank of petrol.

Elizabeth wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 7:44 pm

Most pensioners are already well off, and many can't even spend the money they get currently

Here we go again...wealthy pensioner here...oops i forgot that I STILL pay a whack of tax and for over 45 years working life paid a raft of tax and national insurance and when I go into my nursing home I'll be paying the full whack too because I've saved up more than £ 23000 .

We were screwed both ways ..triple lock suspended...tax allowances frozen..but it's great having more money than I don't know what to do with > I pay the same energy bills as you..year on year what I pay has doubled ..just like you .I pay my rates and taxes just like you .Most of what I can't spend goes on helping out my kids and always has .

It's 2022 and I can't believe we're in this crap mess AGAIN ! Unlike you , I'm sorry for everybody that is " existing " in this horrible world and I could do without your fatuous comments.

Must go ...just off out to get my champagne , cigars and smoked salmon.

Elizabeth wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 7:44 pm

Most pensioners are already well off, and many can't even spend the money they get currently

That is quite simply the dumbest reply ever on here...bar none
I didn't want people to fall out,it's an intresting subject,and I was simply asking are pensioners going to be shat on again with broken promises,it's laughable you promise to have pension rises in line with inflation...then inflation goes up and your told no...you can't have it...inflation has gone to high.
Or am I missing something?

Everyone is struggling at the moment

Only the really wealthy are not

There is a lot going on that will be bothering loads of people, and the lack of money for stuff that makes you smile and laugh are not helping with that

Steve1956 wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 2:48 pm

Think we will be kissing goodbye to this rise linked to inflation in our pensions come next April,how is Boris and his cronies going explain away that one,or will there be an early election in 2023 and they will pay it us to sweeten us up,surely they can't renegade on it again.....can they?

We kissed it good bye this time didn't we ? It was supposedly a " triple " lock. Check it out

Here we are in 2022 albeit in circumstances over which we in the UK have had no direct control with people who are in work having to resort to foodbanks ...in one of the richest countries in the world ! People having to choose between heat and eat...you can go on and on

The system is not " fair "..it's slanted in favour of the VERY wealthy...why do you think there is so much Russian money here ? why do you think there are so many " non doms " ? Why is so much business completed on an off-shore basis ?

BUt , speaking as a " lefty " if we want things to be different we ALL have to pay our fair whack , not just the PAYE brigade and if we want a better overall carry on for health , pensions and old age we'll ALL have to stump up more .They do it in Scandinavia etc .Why not here ?.

Yesterday I called off at a supermarket near Moston for some coffee while on my way into work. I walked up to the coffee aisle and there was a couple looking at the cheapest jars. The guy turned to the woman he was with and I overheard him say; 'I'm sorry love, but we just can't afford it this week'. Now, I know coffee isn't food, but still.

The jar they were looking at cost £2.00. I've never seen anything like this before, over an item only costing a couple of quid. It was sad to see, and I was peed off with myself for only having my card on me.

Bigbopper wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 9:48 am

Maybe the private sector pay rises are helping to cause inflation? As for fuel prices any subsidy has to be paid for from somewhere. There is no such thing as a free tank of petrol.

No. Just excess profits...

Remember the triple lock was only brought in because Nick Clegg and the LibDems wouldn’t sign up to the coalition without it. Tories, in power, absolutely hate it. Gradually eroding it would be no surprise to me. The timing of the next election could be critical to it’s survival.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 9:20 am

Inflation is the highest for decades.

The Triple Lock Pension promise was broken this year, as "Pensioners would get too much, when compared to Public Sector workers".

Public sector workers had an average of 1.2% pay increase. Private sector 8.2% average. The private sector, therefore, kept up with inflation, while Public and pensions failed miserably.

Inflation is particularly high, mostly as no real action gas been taken to tackle the damaging increase to fuel prices. Unlike other countries.

Many private sector workers were furloughed in 2020, thus taking a 20% pay cut. So if we take the private sector salaries from 2020 to 2021 it shows a big increase, and we can keep quiet about the private sector pay cut from 2019 to 2020.

The point of the triple lock was that pensioners don't lose out vis a vis employed people. If employed people's salaries take a temporary drop one year followed by a recovery the following year - as indeed they did - the argument for the pensioners getting a windfall rise of 8% because of the timing difference, can only be based on legalese rather than moral imperative.

Elizabeth wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 7:44 pm

Most pensioners are already well off, and many can't even spend the money they get currently

Hmmm. Not true at all.

dsr wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 3:03 pm

Many private sector workers were furloughed in 2020, thus taking a 20% pay cut. So if we take the private sector salaries from 2020 to 2021 it shows a big increase, and we can keep quiet about the private sector pay cut from 2019 to 2020.

The point of the triple lock was that pensioners don't lose out vis a vis employed people. If employed people's salaries take a temporary drop one year followed by a recovery the following year - as indeed they did - the argument for the pensioners getting a windfall rise of 8% because of the timing difference, can only be based on legalese rather than moral imperative.

You are sounding like those who try to tell us all is well in the world!

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 1:51 pm

No. Just excess profits...

Oh hello someone has been reading the Labour party manifesto and actually believed it.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 2:54 pm

Remember the triple lock was only brought in because Nick Clegg and the LibDems wouldn’t sign up to the coalition without it. Tories, in power, absolutely hate it. Gradually eroding it would be no surprise to me. The timing of the next election could be critical to it’s survival.

It's already been massively eroded, because the payment for this year broke the Triple Lock rule and that reduction mean tha even if it's restored for next year, the reduction stays in the system. So every year, pensioners will get a smaller rise than they would have done otherwise.

Bigbopper wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 8:54 pm

Oh hello someone has been reading the Labour party manifesto and actually believed it.

Tory supporter enters debate on the honesty ticket.

All age groups are being hit with tax increases on wages, national insurance rises and other hidden taxes.

As much as it hurts to see the older members of our society be hit by this, the younger generation are also paying, and will continue to do so for years ahead.

fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 9:12 pm

Tory supporter enters debate on the honesty ticket.

how can you tell when a politcian is lying ...

His/her lips move ...

It doesn't matter who you vote for they are all lying self serving sc*mbags ... Tory, Labour, Lib, SNP, etc etc etc

Elizabeth wrote: ↑

Fri May 20, 2022 7:44 pm

Most pensioners are already well off, and many can't even spend the money they get currently

Perhaps I should defend Elizabeth a little and say she maybe she should have said many pensioners instead of most? There are indeed many pensioners who are very well off. Several of my friends are just that. However, many are struggling along with working younger people and families who are facing a bleak few years ahead. Worrying times.

Gordaleman wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 9:04 pm

It's already been massively eroded, because the payment for this year broke the Triple Lock rule and that reduction mean tha even if it's restored for next year, the reduction stays in the system. So every year, pensioners will get a smaller rise than they would have done otherwise.

On the other hand, if their pensions had risen say 10% faster than wages simply because of a timing difference in the system, there would probably be people saying they whould have a "windfall" tax because they have received an unexpected gain from the pandemic.

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 9:16 pm

how can you tell when a politcian is lying ...

His/her lips move ...

It doesn't matter who you vote for they are all lying self serving sc*mbags ... Tory, Labour, Lib, SNP, etc etc etc

Sadly, that is exactly what the current lot are relying on you to think

Bigbopper wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 8:54 pm

Oh hello someone has been reading the Labour party manifesto and actually believed it.

I would suggest a more honest assessment than whatever you may or may not be reading!

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 9:46 pm

Perhaps I should defend Elizabeth a little and say she maybe she should have said many pensioners instead of most? There are indeed many pensioners who are very well off. Several of my friends are just that. However, many are struggling along with working younger people and families who are facing a bleak few years ahead. Worrying times.

I certainly brought out some hostility with my comment. You may be right and I appreciate you at least trying to understand where I’m coming from.
I decided not to reply direct to the abuse or emotional replies and do want to say that those in the position to help others in their senior years deserve this reward for what must have been a working life of hard work and sacrifice.

Information for those on here (ok, one person) who appears to think everything is rosy

This one is on inflation

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/ ... 8104809473

It's a strange world we live in now with the Tories the party of high taxation. Couple that with them normally boasting that they are also the party of law and order and of course family values and it becomes even stranger. They are now, demonstrably, the party of crime, corruption, sleaze; the list is practically endless.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Sat May 21, 2022 11:09 pm

Sadly, that is exactly what the current lot are relying on you to think

If the ‘current lot’ are to be replaced by the ‘other lot’ then no doubt we would see 4-5 years at least of blaming the ‘current lot’ of why things haven’t changed in any meaningful way.

Just like the ‘current lot’ blamed the ‘other lot’ when they took over from them with that note of the money having all gone.

I don’t see any party being honest to the point that they would absolve themselves from any criticism of not delivering in their promises.

Can you imagine trying to win an election based on the message of you will need to give us 5 years to sort things out.

No. Me either. So the promises of free things or things that sound like will make a difference now regardless of cost and the impact that has on the bigger problems will be used to attract votes.

Unfortunately politics is a marketing and sales game when it comes to elections and every policy party has to be in that game to some degree.

I think that all politicians are very good at positioning themselves where they can’t be accused of lying but will present things in a way that can be interpreted to answer the question without actually answering it.

clarethomer wrote: ↑

Sun May 22, 2022 8:59 am

If the ‘current lot’ are to be replaced by the ‘other lot’ then no doubt we would see 4-5 years at least of blaming the ‘current lot’ of why things haven’t changed in any meaningful way.

Just like the ‘current lot’ blamed the ‘other lot’ when they took over from them with that note of the money having all gone.

I don’t see any party being honest to the point that they would absolve themselves from any criticism of not delivering in their promises.

Can you imagine trying to win an election based on the message of you will need to give us 5 years to sort things out.

No. Me either. So the promises of free things or things that sound like will make a difference now regardless of cost and the impact that has on the bigger problems will be used to attract votes.

Unfortunately politics is a marketing and sales game when it comes to elections and every policy party has to be in that game to some degree.

I think that all politicians are very good at positioning themselves where they can’t be accused of lying but will present things in a way that can be interpreted to answer the question without actually answering it.

Then you should aim for it to get better

You don't do that be thinking everyone is like the current lot

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Sun May 22, 2022 9:18 am

Then you should aim for it to get better

You don't do that be thinking everyone is like the current lot

I for one will switch back to Labour next time, but more in hope than expectation, however this current lot do need showing the door.

Regarding the general malaise in UK politics I don't see anything changing anytime soon alas, far too many career politicians on all sides with little experience of real life.