This article breaks down Kompanys Tactics and give us an idea of what we can expect this season. It’s quite an interesting read.

https://cafetactiques.com/2021/08/21/vi ... -analysis/

https://cafetactiques.com/2022/04/12/ar ... 2-tactics/

This was a follow up one he did recently. Similar ish but a few new comments. He is a big fan of Kompany’s tactics it seems.

I find it quite insightful and it actually makes it easier to comprehend who of our existing squad might fit this system.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 8:41 am

This article breaks down Kompanys Tactics and give us an idea of what we can expect this season. It’s quite an interesting read.

https://cafetactiques.com/2021/08/21/vi ... -analysis/

Are we sure Kompany will become our next manager? Time is ticking and still no appointment.
I don’t think he will come unless Pace gives him assurances on funding for rebuilding. Currently it would appear Pace is jetting here there and everywhere seeking additional funds. Desperate times.

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 8:51 am

Are we sure Kompany will become our next manager? Time is ticking and still no appointment.
I don’t think he will come unless Pace gives him assurances on funding for rebuilding. Currently it would appear Pace is jetting here there and everywhere seeking additional funds. Desperate times.

He’s coming

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 8:51 am

Are we sure Kompany will become our next manager? Time is ticking and still no appointment.
I don’t think he will come unless Pace gives him assurances on funding for rebuilding. Currently it would appear Pace is jetting here there and everywhere seeking additional funds. Desperate times.

How does seeking outside investment make us desperate?

After reading that analysis who do people think will fit this system of the existing players?

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 9:01 am

After reading that analysis who do people think will fit this system of the existing players?

I'll go with the opposite, who won't fit, luckily I think most are OOC:

Barnes, Lennon, Stephens, Lowton, Pieters, Long, Bardsley

Possibly Weghorst - as he prefers mobile and fast players. Though, with the passing being more floor based, perhaps that will actually get more out of him.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 9:11 am

I'll go with the opposite, who won't fit, luckily I think most are OOC:

Barnes, Lennon, Stephens, Lowton, Pieters, Long, Bardsley

Possibly Weghorst - as he prefers mobile and fast players. Though, with the passing being more floor based, perhaps that will actually get more out of him.

I think a couple I would put in the question mark section would be Ben Mee and Brownhill. It seems both of there roles require real technical ability/passing range. From reading that it appears the advanced CM of the two is supposed to be of the Buendia type.
Perhaps this is why Ben hasn’t signed a contract?

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 9:11 am

I'll go with the opposite, who won't fit, luckily I think most are OOC:

Barnes, Lennon, Stephens, Lowton, Pieters, Long, Bardsley

Possibly Weghorst - as he prefers mobile and fast players. Though, with the passing being more floor based, perhaps that will actually get more out of him.

So he prefers fast and mobile players but Weghorst will fit but Lennon wouldn't? Seems odd comparing their relative speed and mobility

Cork could do the Cullen role, he drops back naturally anyway, and is the composed one of our CM who retains the ball best, and finds a shirt most often.

Our full backs look suited to the way Kompany plays, what will be interesting is the RW and forwards he deploys.

*I only think we are 3 good buys/loans of having a great chance of bouncing back

* presuming our back 5 is

Hennessy
Roberts Collins Mee Taylor

MACCA wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 9:16 am

Cork could do the Cullen role, he drops back naturally anyway, and is the composed one of our CM who retains the ball best, and finds a shirt most often.

Our full backs look suited to the way Kompany plays, what will be interesting is the RW and forwards he deploys.

*I only think we are 3 good buys/loans of having a great chance of bouncing back

* presuming our back 5 is

Hennessy
Roberts Collins Mee Taylor

I thought cork could do that role, but after reading that analysis I’m not sure he could. Cork is good short precise passes, it looks like that Defensive CM role requires a range of passing as the idea is he breaks the defensive lines and creates space for the advanced players.

Goobs wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 9:16 am

So he prefers fast and mobile players but Weghorst will fit but Lennon wouldn't? Seems odd comparing their relative speed and mobility

The wide players drift quite centrally. They are more technical and comfortable at receiving balls on the half turn / threading balls through / linking play. Lennon is more a wide, skin the man and whip a cross in type. Not what VK wants.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 9:14 am

I think a couple I would put in the question mark section would be Ben Mee and Brownhill. It seems both of there roles require real technical ability/passing range. From reading that it appears the advanced CM of the two is supposed to be of the Buendia type.
Perhaps this is why Ben hasn’t signed a contract?

I think VK will reconigse Mee's importance to the club as a whole and his defensive abilities. He's not useless on the ball but is a bit limited. Should be fine.

Brownhill has the pace / athletisicm that the system needs I think. Doesn't seem to me that the other CM is a Buendia type and of course with this being the Champ, he will need to adjust slightly anyway.

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 8:51 am

Are we sure Kompany will become our next manager? Time is ticking and still no appointment.
I don’t think he will come unless Pace gives him assurances on funding for rebuilding. Currently it would appear Pace is jetting here there and everywhere seeking additional funds. Desperate times.

Put the scissors down.

I recall that Defour used to spend a lot of time dropping into the RB / RCB position when we were building play

MACCA wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 9:16 am

Cork could do the Cullen role, he drops back naturally anyway, and is the composed one of our CM who retains the ball best, and finds a shirt most often.

Our full backs look suited to the way Kompany plays, what will be interesting is the RW and forwards he deploys.

*I only think we are 3 good buys/loans of having a great chance of bouncing back

* presuming our back 5 is

Hennessy
Roberts Collins Mee Taylor

I would agree with that. I think what is most important with our recruitment this summer is adding pace and technical ability to the team so we are more effective in the final third. Defensively we are solid enough. We also have some underrated footballers who, with a different approach and style of play, could and should be very decent at this level.

Juan Tanamera wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 8:56 am

How does seeking outside investment make us desperate?

It makes us desperate because if he cannot secure any, he/they cannot service the existing borrowing.

Sounds promising and it'll be a pleasant change for us to actually have a variety of formations to adopt during matches, the biggest factor might be that our players might begin enjoying their football again, under Dyche it was a rigid 4-4-2 framework, and it was easy for other managers to combat us, now we'll not be so predictable, and that alone should make us a tougher proposition.

The last paragraph caught my eye, Anderlecht are a fun side to watch, and we've badly missed that element from our play for far too long now.

Interesting theories

Looks good on paper, but Anderlecht lost most of the games he describes

Josh Cullen is not a bad player, doubt he'll set the Championship on fire though

Belgianclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 10:38 am

Interesting theories

Looks good on paper, but Anderlecht lost most of the games he describes

Josh Cullen is not a bad player, doubt he'll set the Championship on fire though

I get the impression your not too impressed with the signing of Kompany. Do you think he will get us promoted this season?

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 10:32 am

Sounds promising and it'll be a pleasant change for us to actually have a variety of formations to adopt during matches, the biggest factor might be that our players might begin enjoying their football again, under Dyche it was a rigid 4-4-2 framework, and it was easy for other managers to combat us, now we'll not be so predictable, and that alone should make us a tougher proposition.

The last paragraph caught my eye, Anderlecht are a fun side to watch, and we've badly missed that element from our play for far too long now.

Fun side to watch in that they look good going forward but are vulnerable at the back. Or so I've read.

I honestly think if he does come, brings in some fresh faces and we get a good playing side that could take us up then we’ll get that investment that Pace has been working on. A bit of a dream at this stage I know but there’s nothing wrong with that

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 10:09 am

It makes us desperate because if he cannot secure any, he/they cannot service the existing borrowing.

I don’t think that is the case Jamesy.

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 10:09 am

It makes us desperate because if he cannot secure any, he/they cannot service the existing borrowing.

In this day and age I would guess every team is seeking investment, I'm not sure that makes them desperate.

On that Weghorst suitability bit, I see Guere is being linked and he is similar and no quicker that Wout. If Kompany wants him, logically he should want Wout more. A far better player.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 12:26 pm

On that Weghorst suitability bit, I see Guere is being linked and he is similar and no quicker that Wout. If Kompany wants him, logically he should want Wout more. A far better player.

Would be amazed if Weghorst is still at the club in a few weeks.

He could work in Kompanys set up but RV is right, he does favour quick mobile strikers.

We've started spelling his name incorrectly and he's not even here yet.

Gueye.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 8:41 am

This article breaks down Kompanys Tactics and give us an idea of what we can expect this season. It’s quite an interesting read.

https://cafetactiques.com/2021/08/21/vi ... -analysis/

It will be interesting to see how Kompany sets his team up to play when he's in the Championship, and it may well differ from the way he's played at Anderlecht (and I think it would be a huge helped if he recruited a coach/assistant with extensive coaching experience in the Championship). However, from what I've read in this article and one similar one I've read, I'm really not sure it's so radically different to the way we set up at our best under Dyche. His version of 442 evolved many times during his time at Burnley and was not always as rigid as some of his detractors imply.

Dyche's best Burnley sides were defined by having full backs who were the primary source of width/crosses, with the wingers tucking in to play as creative "inside forwards" and and the central midfielders holding and providing defensive protection. That seems to be broadly what Kompany advocates, although he may push one central midfielder on more, and Dyche generally preferred for one of the full backs to tuck in to create a back 3 whilst the other one bombed on - but even that isn't a million miles away from what Kompany appears to do on occasions (it's actually the express "tweak" to his default structure (i.e. Cullen dropping back in possession) which is referenced in the article, with the right back tucking in). I suspect the biggest single difference is that Kompany places a greater emphasis on retaining possession, which inevitably leads to differences in shape as phases develop.

This is all a good thing, because if I'm right it means that Kompany is more likely to be able to work with the core he inherits. You'd imagine he'll be wanting to retain Ben Mee and might be quite wise to let him crack on with keeping the basic organisation of how we avoid counter attacks largely unchanged, whilst Kompany tries to evolve the way in which we play in possession, i.e. by doing that better and therefore allowing us to become more fluid as a natural consequence.

The big danger with someone like Kompany is that he tries to change too much to soon, and of course that's more of a risk if he's really radically different in structure.

Blakesboots wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 11:05 am

I don’t think that is the case Jamesy.

So where is Kompany then? I don’t see anything to suggest an announcement is imminent.

Looks like the "pivot" system, which the late, great Peter Blakey coached us at Rosehill Junior School in early 60's. Worked a treat.

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 12:58 pm

So where is Kompany then? I don’t see anything to suggest an announcement is imminent.

Why would you? You're just a fan. You'll find out when it's announced, which it will be this week. You're either a really rubbish troll, or not a Burnley fan.

SalouClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 1:05 pm

Why would you? You're just a fan. You'll find out when it's announced, which it will be this week. You're either a really rubbish troll, or not a Burnley fan.

What on earth are you pulling through you? I merely stated that we are discussing Kompany’s perceived tactics, yet he hasn’t even been appointed manager yet.
He has been mooted for the job for a couple of weeks or more now yet still no appointment?
My belief is that if Pace and co are not successful in securing additional investment he will not become our manager. It is well documented that Pace is seeking investment from all four corners of the globe, however time is ticking. Vital time. Time that a new manager should be using to assemble a squad equipped to challenge in the Championship.
That’s all from me, a loyal Burnley fan since 1967 through thick and thin and also a realist.

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 12:58 pm

So where is Kompany then? I don’t see anything to suggest an announcement is imminent.

How has a manager appointment got anything to do with servicing a loan/debt?

Blakesboots wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 1:17 pm

How has a manager appointment got anything to do with servicing a loan/debt?

Because he may be reluctant to come if he hasn’t got sufficient resources at his disposal to be successful as the manager of Burnley FC? Thought that would be pretty obvious. Let’s see if he signs on the dotted line this week? Hopefully he does so that he has sufficient time to assess the task in front of him.

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 12:58 pm

So where is Kompany then? I don’t see anything to suggest an announcement is imminent.

Is it the lack of Alan Pace standing outside the Park View with a mega phone that makes you think there's no imminent announcements ? Just because things aren't plastered all over social media doesn't mean things aren't happening behind the scenes

claretspice wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 12:52 pm

It will be interesting to see how Kompany sets his team up to play when he's in the Championship, and it may well differ from the way he's played at Anderlecht (and I think it would be a huge helped if he recruited a coach/assistant with extensive coaching experience in the Championship). However, from what I've read in this article and one similar one I've read, I'm really not sure it's so radically different to the way we set up at our best under Dyche. His version of 442 evolved many times during his time at Burnley and was not always as rigid as some of his detractors imply.

Dyche's best Burnley sides were defined by having full backs who were the primary source of width/crosses, with the wingers tucking in to play as creative "inside forwards" and and the central midfielders holding and providing defensive protection. That seems to be broadly what Kompany advocates, although he may push one central midfielder on more, and Dyche generally preferred for one of the full backs to tuck in to create a back 3 whilst the other one bombed on - but even that isn't a million miles away from what Kompany appears to do on occasions (it's actually the express "tweak" to his default structure (i.e. Cullen dropping back in possession) which is referenced in the article, with the right back tucking in). I suspect the biggest single difference is that Kompany places a greater emphasis on retaining possession, which inevitably leads to differences in shape as phases develop.

This is all a good thing, because if I'm right it means that Kompany is more likely to be able to work with the core he inherits. You'd imagine he'll be wanting to retain Ben Mee and might be quite wise to let him crack on with keeping the basic organisation of how we avoid counter attacks largely unchanged, whilst Kompany tries to evolve the way in which we play in possession, i.e. by doing that better and therefore allowing us to become more fluid as a natural consequence.

The big danger with someone like Kompany is that he tries to change too much to soon, and of course that's more of a risk if he's really radically different in structure.

Good points spice.

I think the difference will be, as you say, more focus on pace / technical ability in the team, which coincides with keeping more possession and being more fluid in the final third. But the defensive shape of 4-4-2 means there will be little to do off-the-ball shape wise which should help the transition.

claretspice wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 12:52 pm

However, from what I've read in this article and one similar one I've read, I'm really not sure it's so radically different to the way we set up at our best under Dyche. His version of 442 evolved many times during his time at Burnley and was not always as rigid as some of his detractors imply.

Totally agree Spice and have been saying this to friends earlier.

At our best under Dyche we pressed high and intensely with direct yes but quick, precise passes- looking to win the ball off the opponent deep in their half and routinely had our wider midfielders coming and playing between the lines - notably Scott Arfield who scored many goals coming into attacking midfield positions.

There’s a lot of revisionism going on with regards to Dyche - it’s only the latter years as the squad wasn’t rejuvenated that he descended into more balls being ‘hoofed’ and a lower block… perhaps as that’s the only way in which he thought he could get points with our squad (rightly or wrongly)

Claret Till I Die wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 1:22 pm

Is it the lack of Alan Pace standing outside the Park View with a mega phone that makes you think there's no imminent announcements ? Just because things aren't plastered all over social media doesn't mean things aren't happening behind the scenes

Ok. I just hope you are right.

claretspice wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 12:52 pm

It will be interesting to see how Kompany sets his team up to play when he's in the Championship, and it may well differ from the way he's played at Anderlecht (and I think it would be a huge helped if he recruited a coach/assistant with extensive coaching experience in the Championship). However, from what I've read in this article and one similar one I've read, I'm really not sure it's so radically different to the way we set up at our best under Dyche. His version of 442 evolved many times during his time at Burnley and was not always as rigid as some of his detractors imply.

Dyche's best Burnley sides were defined by having full backs who were the primary source of width/crosses, with the wingers tucking in to play as creative "inside forwards" and and the central midfielders holding and providing defensive protection. That seems to be broadly what Kompany advocates, although he may push one central midfielder on more, and Dyche generally preferred for one of the full backs to tuck in to create a back 3 whilst the other one bombed on - but even that isn't a million miles away from what Kompany appears to do on occasions (it's actually the express "tweak" to his default structure (i.e. Cullen dropping back in possession) which is referenced in the article, with the right back tucking in). I suspect the biggest single difference is that Kompany places a greater emphasis on retaining possession, which inevitably leads to differences in shape as phases develop.

This is all a good thing, because if I'm right it means that Kompany is more likely to be able to work with the core he inherits. You'd imagine he'll be wanting to retain Ben Mee and might be quite wise to let him crack on with keeping the basic organisation of how we avoid counter attacks largely unchanged, whilst Kompany tries to evolve the way in which we play in possession, i.e. by doing that better and therefore allowing us to become more fluid as a natural consequence.

The big danger with someone like Kompany is that he tries to change too much to soon, and of course that's more of a risk if he's really radically different in structure.

Spot on. Dyche's exact setup and tactics varied many times and it was only the final 18-24 months with zero investment that we became ultra static, direct and reliant on Wood. When we had Arfield and Boyd as our wide men and Ward at LB we played pretty much an exact catenaccio with the German pressing added, especially those games with Hendrick deployed in the hole. And as you say several times had a fullback tuck in- Pieters if he was playing, Lowton usually if not.

Brilliant read all the same. Kompany almost seems to owe more to Guardiola's mentor Cruyff than to Pep himself with the fluidity, hybrid roles and interchange between the RB/CM/CBs, the flexing of width, etc.

His apparent use of asymmetry also has me optimistic, I've long believed symmetrical formations are an unnecessary convention and with sufficient skill and tactical acumen asymmetrical formations can cause havoc to a symmetrical side by forcing them out of position- to the point I've wondered how we'd do simply overloading the left hand side with the several players we have who prefer to play there.

Dyche's most successful years were also when he employed assymetry- again Arfield/Boyd with Arfield tucking into a mezzala and Boyd endlessly running up and down the flanks. Sounds like he deploys Cullen in a hybrid position too. It seems very tactically demanding on his players but you would hope an ex Prem team have the knowhow to make it work better than a young/rebuilding Belgian side.
All in all it's a read that has me a little more optimistic.

Juan Tanamera wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 12:24 pm

In this day and age I would guess every team is seeking investment, I'm not sure that makes them desperate.

Exactly, Palace went and secured £100 million of investment prior to the start of the 21/22 season which in turn enabled Viera to rebuild the squad.
West Ham went and found a new investor for the same reason.
It's normal for clubs to seek new investors.

Quicknick wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 11:02 am

Fun side to watch in that they look good going forward but are vulnerable at the back. Or so I've read.

The only team that let fewer goals in were the champions so they can't have been that bad.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 2:20 pm

Exactly, Palace went and secured £100 million of investment prior to the start of the 21/22 season which in turn enabled Viera to rebuild the squad.
West Ham went and found a new investor for the same reason.
It's normal for clubs to seek new investors.

Aah right. So it’s all good then we are going to be fine? Well let’s see if our little Championship club massively in debt can find investment just like Premier League clubs West Ham and Palace. I admire your optimism guys but Kompany is still not our manager and the Championship season starts in just two months time.

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 3:50 pm

Aah right. So it’s all good then we are going to be fine? Well let’s see if our little Championship club massively in debt can find investment just like Premier League clubs West Ham and Palace. I admire your optimism guys but Kompany is still not our manager and the Championship season starts in just two months time.

Bloomin' eck. Put the kettle on and have a biscuit

Pickles wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 3:53 pm

Bloomin' eck. Put the kettle on and have a biscuit

I’ve already had a few brews and biscuits pal!

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 3:56 pm

I’ve already had a few brews and biscuits pal!

I'm eating a packet for every hour Kompany isn't announced, I'm not sure I'll fit through the turnstiles at this rate.

Jamesy wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 3:50 pm

Aah right. So it’s all good then we are going to be fine? Well let’s see if our little Championship club massively in debt can find investment just like Premier League clubs West Ham and Palace. I admire your optimism guys but Kompany is still not our manager and the Championship season starts in just two months time.

I'm content to wait and see instead of wringing my hands about it every single day.

Like I said, it's perfectly normal for football clubs to seek out investment

Pickles wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 3:59 pm

I'm eating a packet for every hour Kompany isn't announced, I'm not sure I'll fit through the turnstiles at this rate.

Crikey, I hope they are not Chocolate Hob Nobs? You will have Diabetes by Wednesday. Let’s hope there is an announcement sooner than I have been predicting!

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Mon May 30, 2022 4:01 pm

I'm content to wait and see instead of wringing my hands about it every single day.

Like I said, it's perfectly normal for football clubs to seek out investment

Yes I had already got the gist of your post. It’s just that bit harder to get investment when we are not a Premier League club anymore. Let’s see what Pace comes up with if anything.