Jewish group calls for Burnley Football Club to rename Turf Moor's Bob Lord Stand

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:26 pm

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/peo ... 0s-3722857

First bit of PR from the club since relegation that isn’t about a kit clearance.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:29 pm

Alan Pace stand?

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:30 pm

I was going to post "I'm sure the responses to this will be reasonable and measured" but Dave Thomas has gazumped me with the absolute ****show attributed to him there.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:31 pm

What total nonsense calling someone out for remarks made over 50 yrs ago

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:33 pm

He made one comment which he apologised for? If everyone from the past is to be utterly condemned for anything they say which is not in the spirit of 50 years in the future, there will be a shortage of historic figures to remember.

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:33 pm

Dave Thomas was bang on. The club though, running an internal investigation do they have nothing better to do?

Belial · Post by **Belial** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:33 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:31 pm
What total nonsense calling someone out for remarks made over 50 yrs ago

Yep, never has the term 'get a grip' seemed more prominent than the past couple of years (at least to some anyway), and this is another example

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:35 pm

In a similar vein the dwarfism awareness society have asked Burnley to rename the Longside.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:36 pm

I was contacted on this matter by a journalist for the Jewish Chronicle on 23rd May and tried to explain it to them but the journalist really wasn't for listening.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:36 pm

How about the club tell them to go forth and multiply? But we now live in an age where people are permanently offended.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:37 pm

God this world is soft, this takes snowflakery to the next level, some people need to get a grip.

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:37 pm

I think we should give Bob the opportunity to respond. Until then, leave it as it is.

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:39 pm

Give it its proper name - the Martin Dobson stand

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:39 pm

Give it its proper name - the Martin Dobson stand

fanzone · Post by **fanzone** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:41 pm

It won't be long until its offensive to call them down the road B+×÷=/_s.

The world has gone mad

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:41 pm

I'm stunned that the article says "condemned by Jews at the time" rather than just "condemned at the time."

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:41 pm

It doesn't help when The Clarets Trust comes up with nonsense like this “The Clarets Trust welcomes the internal investigation'

An internal investigation into what?

claret2018 · Post by **claret2018** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:42 pm

The Totally Wicked Bob Lord stand

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:43 pm

Murger wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:41 pm
It doesn't help when The Clarets Trust comes up with nonsense like this “The Clarets Trust welcomes the internal investigation'

An internal investigation into what?

Bang on - ridiculous statement

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:44 pm

Murger wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:41 pm
It doesn't help when The Clarets Trust comes up with nonsense like this “The Clarets Trust welcomes the internal investigation'

An internal investigation into what?

It also says the trust represents burnley fans..... Cannot be all of them, because they certainly don't represent me

Beagle · Post by **Beagle** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:44 pm

Silly. Let’s hope they don’t use this as an excuse to rename it the FUN88 Stand or whatever the ****.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:45 pm

We discussed this last night at the Burnley FC Supporters Groups meeting because of them contacting me.

I received the following email on 23rd May

I’m a journalist working for the Jewish Chronicle.
An issue has been raised at a recent meeting of the Jewish Board of Deputies in relation to your former owner Bob Lord and his unpleasant openly antisemitic views.
In these days of "zero tolerance", do you think it is still appropriate to have a stand named after him?
Please let me know the supporters’ thoughts on this urgently as we are running a story on the issue this week (deadline is tomorrow morning).

My response was

What you refer to happened over 48 years ago. What Lord said, I personally agree, was unpleasant, but it was one incident, one statement, at one function that was aimed at the television companies for getting football on the cheap, an argument that he constantly had and one that has proved to be correct. It was very badly worded but I don't think it was ever intended to be antisemitic, more a shocking choice of word. He was rightly condemned at the time but only he would ever know if he meant anything other than an attack on TV companies.

The stand was already open and carrying his name at the time and hasn't been replaced.

I doubt the supporters would have any view on it. It was so long ago that many of our supporters don't even remember Bob Lord who passed away in 1981.

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:45 pm

Murger wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:41 pm
It doesn't help when The Clarets Trust comes up with nonsense like this “The Clarets Trust welcomes the internal investigation'

An internal investigation into what?

It’s no surprise when you see the people running it these days.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:46 pm

It's one thing if people don't care that he said something antisemitic but to deny it is astonishing.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:47 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:45 pm
We discussed this last night at the Burnley FC Supporters Groups meeting because of them contacting me.

I received the following email on 23rd May

I’m a journalist working for the Jewish Chronicle.
An issue has been raised at a recent meeting of the Jewish Board of Deputies in relation to your former owner Bob Lord and his unpleasant openly antisemitic views.
In these days of "zero tolerance", do you think it is still appropriate to have a stand named after him?
Please let me know the supporters’ thoughts on this urgently as we are running a story on the issue this week (deadline is tomorrow morning).

My response was

What you refer to happened over 48 years ago. What Lord said, I personally agree, was unpleasant, but it was one incident, one statement, at one function that was aimed at the television companies for getting football on the cheap, an argument that he constantly had and one that has proved to be correct. It was very badly worded but I don't think it was ever intended to be antisemitic, more a shocking choice of word. He was rightly condemned at the time but only he would ever know if he meant anything other than an attack on TV companies.

The stand was already open and carrying his name at the time and hasn't been replaced.

I doubt the supporters would have any view on it. It was so long ago that many of our supporters don't even remember Bob Lord who passed away in 1981.

Can I just add that the journalist was like a dog with a bone with what I consider to be a non story to be honest, but I gave him our response. Can't believe the Burnley Express have given them house room on this to be honest.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:47 pm

It won’t be long before the usual suspects come along to tell us that we are all wrong and need to get with the times

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:49 pm

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:30 pm
I was going to post "I'm sure the responses to this will be reasonable and measured" but Dave Thomas has gazumped me with the absolute ****show attributed to him there.

Which bit was a sh*tshow?

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:50 pm

We are in an era where people are constantly trying to rewrite history to fit modern tastes, standards and agendas. It was a totally different period and in a different context. The people concerned aren’t alive to defend themselves. Let’s leave it where it is, the past where it was, learn from it and move forward or we are going down a very slippery slope.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:47 pm
Can I just add that the journalist was like a dog with a bone with what I consider to be a non story to be honest, but I gave him our response. Can't believe the Burnley Express have given them house room on this to be honest.

I’d use the term journalist very loosely. It’s these pathetic people that are a big part of what’s wrong with the world today. More interested in pushing their own agenda rather than using common sense.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:51 pm

Murger wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:49 pm
Which bit was a sh*tshow?

"In fact, amongst his closest friends in football were the directors of Tottenham Hotspur, mainly Jewish."

Is the highlight.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:52 pm

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:50 pm
We are in an era where people are constantly trying to rewrite history to fit modern tastes, standards and agendas. It was a totally different period and in a different context. The people concerned aren’t alive to defend themselves. Let’s leave it where it is, the past where it was, learn from it and move forward or we are going down a very slippery slope.

It wasn't an acceptable period or context to say it.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:52 pm

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:51 pm
"In fact, amongst his closest friends in football were the directors of Tottenham Hotspur, mainly Jewish."

Is the highlight.

Right.....

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:55 pm

I thought the bit where dave said everyone should go and read chapter 17 of his book where its all put in context was daft. Why not just put it it in context for us there and then? Nip it in the bud. Then maybe everyone can make their own minds up given its going in the paper. The bit about knocking the stand down was plain embarrassing for him.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:56 pm

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:55 pm
I thought the bit where dave said everyone should go and read chapter 17 of his book where its all put in context was daft. Why not just put it it in context for us there and then? Nip it in the bud. Then maybe everyone can make their own minds up given its going in the paper. The bit about knocking the stand down was plain embarrassing for him.

Asking for an internal investigation into something that happened 50 odd years ago is the most embarrassing thing.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:56 pm

DCWat wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:29 pm
Alan Pace stand?

He's already stood up you cheeky git

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:04 pm

I'm now starting to believe that this 'cancel culture' is now being orchestrated from the Right of politics to drive the centrists to the right.

If the stand was named something offensive to jews then it is totally legitimate to get it renamed. If it is celebrating what Bob Lord did for the club and is not offensive to the jewish community, then it makes no sense to request it is renamed. It was one comment 50 years ago. How far do you go back?

Zom Zom · Post by **Zom Zom** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:05 pm

It’s bonkers.

I discussed an album by Kraftwerk on Facebook a few weeks ago, and one guy, honestly, got the hump about it and I quote, ‘after what the Nazis did in the Second World War? Seriously? You are going to blow smoke up their arses?’

I gave a laughing emoji as I thought he was having a laugh. His next response was aimed at me personally and he promptly left the group.

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:07 pm

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:52 pm
It wasn't an acceptable period or context to say it.

No it wasn’t an acceptable thing to say but it was at a different time. We have to stop being offended by things from the past. Learn from it and move on. We’ve all said regrettable things but it’s doing no good to keep digging it up. We are in a culture of people looking to be offended. If anyone said this now they would rightly be pulled up for it.every figure from history will have said something we now don’t like.

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:16 pm

I think that their god smote quite a few people himself. And there was definitely some Munchhausen by proxy issues going on in that book of theirs. Trying to get Abraham to murder his son? Not to mention some truly horrific homophobic passages in Leviticus etc etc.
Shame on them. Let they that have no sin cast the first stone (although from recollection, that was in the other book that they don't believe in).

The real issue here is that most Burnley fans know that Bob Lord was at best a bit of a knob. So it's not as if he is being hero worshipped because the stand is named after him - but making a big thing out of it 50 years on is just going to irritate people in a way that does no favours to Judaism.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:18 pm

Dave Thomas has gone well weird since he got old

Rename it to something else and sell the naming rights for cash that we need

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:20 pm

Maybe they would be happy if we called it the Free Palestine stand….world has gone woke mad

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:21 pm

I suspect the club's plan is to have the "internal inquiry" which will presumably have such a low response that any concerns can be dealt with individually and then act like nothing ever happened.

It would be absolutely awful PR for any club to come out against this kind of accusation in any other way, never mind a club that already has a bit of a reputation (mostly unfair) for racism.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:25 pm

I wonder how many Jewish season ticket holders we have. Would be interesting to get their views. Anybody?

Jimjan · Post by **Jimjan** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:26 pm

Due to this being highlighted Napoli have objected to him referring to them as " Ice Cream Merchants" in the sixties. This is known as the " Ripple effect"

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:27 pm

Does anyone who worked with Bob Lord when he was chairman in 1981 still work at the club?

They could be the key to any internal investigation.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:27 pm

I’d be interested to hear what any Jewish Burnley fans think of this. It’s easy to say ‘some people are offended by everything’ and turning this into a juvenile woke debate whilst totally missing the point that different people are offended by different things.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:29 pm

CT. I would have told the journalist to sod off and not waste my time. Fortunately you are more tolerant than me lol

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:30 pm

Murger wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:41 pm
It doesn't help when The Clarets Trust comes up with nonsense like this “The Clarets Trust welcomes the internal investigation'

An internal investigation into what?

It's bad enough that those seeking to be offended are so prominent and pervasive nowadays but it's almost as bad that others just pander to them like this. Best to just tell them to stroll on and get a life for themselves and not react to their victimhood seeking/ blame spreading b s.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:30 pm

Jimjan wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:26 pm
Due to this being highlighted Napoli have objected to him referring to them as " Ice Cream Merchants" in the sixties. This is known as the " Ripple effect"

Not the Raspberry ripple effect?

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:31 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:27 pm
I’d be interested to hear what any Jewish Burnley fans think of this. It’s easy to say ‘some people are offended by everything’ and turning this into a juvenile woke debate whilst totally missing the point that different people are offended by different things.

If you were a Jewish person who agreed with the criticism, would you want to post that in this thread?