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Wait a minute … she’s flying out of Manchester Airport … time for popcorn replenishment…..!The Hung Juror wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:57 amDoris the tea lady is going on holiday. Croatia we believe. Should be back for pre-season.
Everton’s end of season communication was really good. But again I believe they also had a group of fans that complained about it (saying that they don’t trust Moshiri etc…).claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:37 amWhat are you hoping or expecting to hear while there is nothing to announce ?
Or is she? I met someone last week who's brother's ex-wife overheard a rumour that she's been offered a larger tea urn and cake trays at Ewood!Flixtonclaret1 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:59 amWait a minute … she’s flying out of Manchester Airport … time for popcorn replenishment…..!
You mean the ‘community club’ people were constantly having a go at for lack of communication?claptrappers_union wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:06 amI think it’s shocking. This is confirmation that Burnley Football Club is no longer the ‘community club’ it used to be praised for.
Why do you keep playing the world's smallest violin for this regime?gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:35 amIf you’d have lamented the lack of communication from the club on here under the previous ownership, you would have had to wear a tinfoil hat on here. Now it appears to be the norm.
This was the open letter issued on our last relegation.Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:28 amWhen did Garlick ever ‘recognise relegation’? Do any owners even do that?
I have reservations about ALK but I do think people are throwing things about with no real thought.
This isn’t recognising relegation, it’s from John B about how he’s stepping down.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:42 amThis was the open letter issued on our last relegation.
https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... 582719?amp
To convince Orsic?The Hung Juror wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:57 amDoris the tea lady is going on holiday. Croatia we believe. Should be back for pre-season.
Because people like you have knocked it from word go and the constant whinging and complaining about them is tedious, unfair and boring. We are all frustrated with events, but some of the stuff I’ve read on here and social media have been mind numbing.spt_claret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:31 amWhy do you keep playing the world's smallest violin for this regime?
People did lament lack of communication under Garlick. People lament this lack of communication. They're not mutually exclusive and the previous regime being bad at it doesn't give the incumbent regime a free pass.
Have you read it there’s a whole section on relegation and how the club is on a strong footingSwizzlestick wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:45 amThis isn’t recognising relegation, it’s from John B about how he’s stepping down.
But it’s not communication from the club, it’s from John B about John B.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:56 amHave you read it there’s a whole section on relegation and how the club is on a strong footing
It’s from John B not Garlick. Because he’s stepping down. It wouldn’t have even appeared if he wasn’t stepping down. It’s not a specific communication about relegation which is what some seem to want from the club.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:56 amHave you read it there’s a whole section on relegation and how the club is on a strong footing
Garlick wasn’t in charge then though? He took over that day.Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:00 amIt’s from John B not Garlick. Because he’s stepping down. It wouldn’t have even appeared if he wasn’t stepping down. It’s not a specific communication about relegation which is what some seem to want from the club.
Something off the same ilk (similar to Everton’s open letter) would appease most of those who need to hear something.. would be more accurateNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:11 amGarlick wasn’t in charge then though? He took over that day.
I don’t think anyone is asking for specific communication. I think people are just asking for communication as a whole. This open letter effectively covers a number of topics. Something off the same ilk (similar to Everton’s open letter) would appease most.
Yes that’s correct. But I assume people that don’t want to hear anything will be happy regardless.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:12 amSomething off the same ilk (similar to Everton’s open letter) would appease most of those who need to hear something.. would be more accurate
I've not knocked them from the word go, so you can wind your neck in. I've knocked the economics of the takeover from day one as nothing will ever convince me that leveraged buyout was right- and I wasn't a hardcore Garlick Out type either before you ask.gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:54 amBecause people like you have knocked it from word go and the constant whinging and complaining about them is tedious, unfair and boring. We are all frustrated with events, but some of the stuff I’ve read on here and social media have been mind numbing.
Why don’t you wind your neck in? You came at me, not the other way around.spt_claret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:21 amI've not knocked them from the word go, so you can wind your neck in. I've knocked the economics of the takeover from day one as nothing will ever convince me that leveraged buyout was right- and I wasn't a hardcore Garlick Out type either before you ask.
I've given them credit on the (few) things that warrant it -modernising the ad hoardings, being willing to sanction overseas signings unlike Garlick, supporting the push towards analytics which Dyche was pushing for here years ago, behind the scenes training videos/Weghorst signing video showing some semblance of engagement with player profile culture and modern football marketing- and gave them the benefit of the doubt and took positive talk as a positive sign til the end of the January window despite Wood leaving.
You seem to jump on all criticism as unfair and wrong, or all critics as being unreasonable. It is not unreasonable to point out the failings of ALK,even if some of those are failings the previous owners shared.
I don't care if it bores you frankly. If they keep doing things that I think are mistakes I'll keep saying so, and happen to find blanket defence of them at all times equally tedious.
I think you've done well to make a list of achievements quite that long! Very creative!spt_claret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:21 amI've not knocked them from the word go, so you can wind your neck in. I've knocked the economics of the takeover from day one as nothing will ever convince me that leveraged buyout was right- and I wasn't a hardcore Garlick Out type either before you ask.
I've given them credit on the (few) things that warrant it -modernising the ad hoardings, being willing to sanction overseas signings unlike Garlick, supporting the push towards analytics which Dyche was pushing for here years ago, behind the scenes training videos/Weghorst signing video showing some semblance of engagement with player profile culture and modern football marketing- and gave them the benefit of the doubt and took positive talk as a positive sign til the end of the January window despite Wood leaving.
You seem to jump on all criticism as unfair and wrong, or all critics as being unreasonable. It is not unreasonable to point out the failings of ALK,even if some of those are failings the previous owners shared.
I don't care if it bores you frankly. If they keep doing things that I think are mistakes I'll keep saying so, and happen to find blanket defence of them at all times equally tedious.
But there is a handful of people banging on about communication who when asked have no idea what they want to be told.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:19 amYes that’s correct. But I assume people that don’t want to hear anything will be happy regardless.
So an open letter like that would keep the majority of the fan base happy.
I think Pace will do some kind of statement when Kompany is announced
You always jump to their defence uncritically then act like every single critic is unfair and unreasonable with no nuance. I was fed up of it so I asked why you do this- granted I did so somewhat provocatively. Apologies for that, I should have moderated my tone.gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:24 amWhy don’t you wind your neck in? You came at me, not the other way around.
Level of debt and how it is due to be paid? Are the rumours in the press around significant repayment true, and how do they plan to pay for them?claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:30 amBut there is a handful of people banging on about communication who when asked have no idea what they want to be told.
Your last line in your post is correct and that is all that needs to be done.
dandeclaret wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:49 amLevel of debt and how it is due to be paid? Are the rumours in the press around significant repayment true, and how do they plan to pay for them?
It's over 3 weeks since the end of the season, and 6 since the previous manager left, with a view that an interim manager was due to be appointed. There have been no official comms on progress.
The academy is rumoured to be losing it's category one status. What's happened there, what are the club doing about it? Was it something the club wanted to do in order to cut costs?
The club captain has left the club, as have a number of first team pros.... all there has been is a stock thanks for the memories statement. Did they offer contracts? Were they turned down? Is it a part of the plan for them all to move on, to give a bright new future based on youth? Is it a cost cutting exercise? We can all guess, so don't tell me your opinions, I would like the club to communicate on it.
But you're right..... there's nothing at all to communicate on, other than last season's kits being on sale, and a view on LED's and the big screens.
Next on the agenda? Maybe a statement about how Pace is going to repay the £112m (maybe more by now) that he owes the club.
The issue I have is the economics of the takeover massively reduced the resources available to refresh the squad and prevent relegation (summer 2021 gross spend was lower than summer 2019- the last time Garlick spent) and the investment they did sanction appears to have been more geared towards changing the aesthetics/playing style, rather than strengthening- a subtle but important difference. Creates the weird paradox of trying to change too much too soon but also not having the resources to change/reinforce enough. Add in the similar situation with Dyche- signing players allegedly not wanted, giving him a huge extension suggesting commitment to him and then sacking him (irrespective of the new manager bump)- it smacks of them pulling in different directions from one moment to the next without the resources or acumen to fully commit. I don't accept that relegation was purely down to lack of time, the old regime not investing in 2020 (which by all accounts was driven as a prerequisite of this takeover so again casts blame at ALKs door for their methodology as much as Garlick for agreeing), or Dyche making mistakes. ALK drove a budget squeeze then failed to align with the manager, half backed him in the summer, backed him with a large contract while again having transfer issues (and apparently disputes) in January then sacked him. That level of misalignment and instability contributed massively.gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:41 amFair enough. I apologise for getting defensive. They aren’t beyond criticism and the economics of the takeover is above my head. On the face of it, it isn’t ideal but they’ve only been here 18 months, in the midst of a pandemic with a squad that has been neglected for far too long under the previous administration. It was always going to take time, and unfortunately it wasn’t enough time to save us from relegation. This is the season for me where they really get to test their metal, and I’m as frustrated as anyone at the delay in announcement but the constant moaning and abuse that pace has received has been grossly unfair, which is why I do jump to his defence a bit on here because people are quick to criticise.